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  • Victoria - Empire under the Sun good or not?

    Have you played it? Is it better than EU? The game seem to be quite interesting but I was really dissapointed with HoI and I dont know if it's worth to purchase Victoria.

    What do you think about it?

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    In the begining I thought that Victoria would be a waste of money. I waited several months after Vicky was in stores before even thinking of purchasing it.

    I read the boards from time to time and then patch 1.03 came out. Everyone was excited and had only good things to say about the patch. I decided to take a chance and get Victoria. I'm glad I did because this is one damn good game. Much more richer and complex than EU.

    The learning curve is steep but the game definately rocks.
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    • #3
      and about AI - i.e. in HoI it sux a lot and makes singleplayer almost unpleyable. ? is it in Vicky really better? [I'm interested only in SP, not multi]

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      • #4
        The ai in Vicky is definately better than the ai in HOI. It is more challenging however like EU2 and HOI there are some strategies that the human can use to win.

        One thing that has impressed me about Vicky's ai is it's war making skills. For example it knows where to hit you on the frontlines to keep the pressure on. However I don't think it responds well to the humans' surprise beach landings.
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        • #5
          Victoria is a great game, but it's been neglected by Paradox and still need patching in my opinion.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by mr Rura
            and about AI - i.e. in HoI it sux a lot and makes singleplayer almost unpleyable. ? is it in Vicky really better? [I'm interested only in SP, not multi]
            Are you sure you´re talking about HoI?
            That´s the game I played most, even before EU2 and Civ2...

            You should really try C.O.R.E. or Great War together with HoI and the latest patches. It´s IMO still the best game out there.
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            • #7
              well, i played as Britain and I invaded defeated France on the highest dificukt level in ... 1940. Germans were unable to fight France back - all they units were tanks so I created many anti-tank infantry. I used also much tactical bombers to decrease their organization. computer didn't move hardly any fighters to prevent bombarding and produced still tanks, whick were destroyed easily by my infantry. They had twice as much units as I, but they were losing...

              IMO AI was good in EU 1&2 but not because Paradox worked on it longer or heavier. HoI is just more complicated and computer isn't able to use all types of forces correctly...

              What about patching - I havent' patched it at all, maybe this is the problem...

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              • #8
                Oh gods, you have to patch.
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                • #9
                  I'm playing the macintosh version of Victoria and find it a nice change of pace from EU2 and HoI. Not better, just a different approach to empire management re: POPs and such. I recommend it.
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                  • #10
                    Paradox games become entirely different entities when you patch them. The difference between HOI 1.00 and 1.06 is absolutely immense.

                    That said, I've been playing my first succesful game of Victoria, and I have to say, the learning curve can be huge even with experience from EU and HOI (games I migrated to from mostly SMAC) under your belt, but once I started to understand what all those numbers meant, the game's becoming quite rewarding. Recommended reading: http://victoria.nsen.ch/wiki/
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                    • #11
                      Yes, read over the Vicky Wiki as mentioned in the previous post.

                      Read the User-created manual .

                      It's a differnet game, but the added complexity is a lot of fun.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Rubel
                        Yes, read over the Vicky Wiki as mentioned in the previous post.

                        Read the User-created manual .

                        It's a differnet game, but the added complexity is a lot of fun.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Kassiopeia
                          Paradox games become entirely different entities when you patch them. The difference between HOI 1.00 and 1.06 is absolutely immense.
                          well, so I'll patch it at least. I didn't expect such big improvement of AI...

                          What a pity that I havent known it before...

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                          • #14
                            You had all those games from PAradox, and didn't know of their patch policy?
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                            • #15
                              Is Victoria better than EU2 you ask?

                              I enjoyed EU2. I enjoyed Victoria much more than EU2.

                              I have never downloaded a patch as I am not connected to the internet at home. Victoria was excellent 'out of the box' and IIRC the game did not crash.

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