So, what game(s) are worth of Yin's praise?

[korn469]

Strollen

i think some of the criticisms you leveled at SE4 are unfair

first thing SE4 has had 7 patches total, not 40+, samething when the civ3 patch comes out next week it will be version number 1.14 but that doesn't mean that it has had 14 patches

second thing is that SE4 was playable out of the box and while having numerous bugs there wasn't any showstoppers that i encountered with v.99, since they don't have a QA department at all, it probably got less official testing than Civ3 did, so the investment time on playing a game isn't as great as what you make it seem

i have two other smaller points

MM gives their game some of the best support of ANY gaming company out there, even though there is maybe five of them (i think it is more like three programmers and one artist but i'm not sure) these guys deserve a medal for going above and beyond the call of duty! if a year after civ3 is out it still gets any support i will be pleasantly surprised

one last thing

the goal of civ3 was to be the best civilization experiance to date

the goal of SE4 (as taken from their website) was to have industry competitive graphics, a simplified user-interface, and simultaneous play capabilities

one of these games achieved its goal, wanna guess which one?

having said that, for me Civ3 is the better game but i still think that SE4 is a good game and i would buy it if it was in the 20-25 dollar range, and i think that it is amazing that guys who have a day job could create such a good game without any publisher support during the development process, and i look forward to a more ambitious SE5

[Urban Ranger]

Yin,

I feel some of your criticisms leveled towards Civ 3 are biased. For example, on research, EU is quite screwed up with regards to "technology." Some of the areas where a player can spend money on are, eh, unconventional.

As for moving hundreds of units, there's not a whole lot can be done. Implementing stacks will minimise the number of combat units that needed to be moved, but there are still those explorers, settlers, and workers. In fact why did you create so many units in the first place?

[Jeje2]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
In fact why did you create so many units in the first place?

In my current game I have 22 own workers (Trying to get rid of them by joining cities as fast as possible) and 50+ captured workers improving my territorium and rebuilding after each turn. (AI just loves to bomb Railroads&roads - when fighters don't protect outside your city.)

So why not have alarger worker-army improving my land faster??