Gladiator IV - The fights begin!

[Chaunk]

Within the game mechanics themselves attacking stats are favoured. Consider a 20:0, a 10:10 and a 0:20.

The 20:0 faces off against the 10:10. Both players have a bonus to attack of 5 points, and a bonus to power of 10 points. Therefore, if they were to use none of their 100 ADP points, they'd swing a 5 attack at 10 power every turn, for 45 free points.

The 20:0 against the 0:20 means no one has any bonuses at all. No free points.

The 10:10 against the 0:20 though, means everyone has a bonus of 5 to defense and -10 to power. Over three rounds, thats -15 free points. For a player to do any damage, they need to attack at 5 minimum (more likely 6+ so as to try an avoid a draw), and power 11+.

It's a massive advantage to have attacking stats, even if you use them in a defensive way.

[DrSpike]

Sorry but that's completely wrong. The only advantage is easier KOs, and even then you are easier to KO also.

Whatever the stats the effective power bonus per player is the same. With 20/0 against a 0/20 both get a 0 power bonus, with a 10 bonus to attack and defence respectively. Both players in a matchup will always have the same 'free points', it cannot be any other way.

In your example in actuality both players get 60 'free points', then 30 'free points', then finally 0.

More accurate is to say they get 30 free points overall to either attack or defence then power bonuses of 10, 0 and -10 per round respectively.

What attacking stats does is make the Round robin marginally easier because bigger power bonuses to both players mean there is better chance of (either player) approaching 0 for the KO. Therefore one win and one loss has a slightly higher expected valuation for example. It's very slight though.

[Jamski]

Yeah, that's what I said. I only want to complain about it though, not change it. I mean, we want to encourage attacking play don't we? And its possible to get a KO with W:0 A:20

-Jam

[Spaced Cowboy]

Sent, sorry JB, I put dashes in.

[Drogue]

Originally posted by Theben
The game itself favors aggressive players. You won't win hiding behind your sword.

That's not actually true, look at the first wars. I had a higher Armour than Weapon, played defensively, and won I only qualified for the semis because of a couple of *very* cheeky little chip against The Princess (HongHu) and Jamski-San

[J Bytheway]

Originally posted by Spaced Cowboy
Sent, sorry JB, I put dashes in.

Don't worry about it - I never got around to automating the processs of entering orders anyway, so it doesn't make any difference.

We're just waiting on Theben, Hercules and Smasher now.

[J Bytheway]

Originally posted by DrSpike
As I said a lot in the discussion last time when I suggested different HP levels, it shouldn't be decided before the matchups are decided. 2 defensive stats players with 150 HP could take forever.

Last time we went with it because there were many attacking players. In this case there is a clear reason - even with 150 my final with SC took 5 rounds IIRC. The previous defensive final with Drogue took about 15 even with 100 HP.

So let's wait and see.

I expected you to say something like this . However, I think that there's not really much variation in the play this time around, from looking at the distribution of damage and KOs.

But it's not over yet, so I probably will be waiting and seeing.

[Theben]

Originally posted by Drogue

That's not actually true, look at the first wars. I had a higher Armour than Weapon, played defensively, and won I only qualified for the semis because of a couple of *very* cheeky little chip against The Princess (HongHu) and Jamski-San

By aggressive I didn't mean high weapon low armor. I meant someone who is actively attempting to read his opponent and using whatever it takes to counter what they analyze, instead of using a standard set of orders. Someone with W00 A20 can be aggressive.

[Theben]

Originally posted by J Bytheway


I expected you to say something like this . However, I think that there's not really much variation in the play this time around, from looking at the distribution of damage and KOs.

But it's not over yet, so I probably will be waiting and seeing.

I would've said the same. There aren't many defensive players, but there are several high weapon players. Smasher vs. Doc in the semis could end in 2 rounds, easily.

[Ljube]

Originally posted by Theben

... There aren't many defensive players ...

What's a defensive player?

[Theben]

Sorry- a low weapon, high armor player.

[J Bytheway]

Now only awaiting orders from Theben and Smasher.

[DrSpike]

After all those posts?

[J Bytheway]

Originally posted by DrSpike
After all those posts?

Yes, I was trying to think of a way to hint at that subtly, but I couldn't. Thanks for sparing me the necessity .

[Theben]

Do I see a pot referring to a kettle?

Soon. Maybe.

EDIT: J already used that cliche earlier. Gotta be original. Umm...

Lo! Is that a grapefruit that, uh... harkens as a doorbell?