What is a definition of a "good game" for you.

[Jamski]

Or a 2D fighter

-Jam

[The Emperor Fabulous]

I most like games that play out like movies...but those are mostly adventure games. I like a game if I'm having fun, no matter the graphics, sound, or small problems.

[Skanky Burns]

Originally posted by DrSpike
A game is good if it neither bad nor average.

By process of elimination, I declare this to be a good game?

[MattH]

Like TEF, I love 'cinematic' games- but I want to play the movie, not watch it. Max Payne 2 was ok in that regard, but by the end I was pretty tired of the constant interruptions.

I also like intuitive games. RON is a good example, it takes good elements from a lot of games and the designers were smart enough to leave out the bad ones. The game acts exactly as you'd expect it to.

Morrowind is still the best game ever (IMHO). It has a graphics system that still rivals many new productions. And the ammount of time spent developing a non-linear story line is amazing to me.

[Zero]

Originally posted by LDiCesare

That's maybe why he doesn't like it. If he likes games of reflexes rather than of strategy, he may not like these changes?
And now a piece of gratuitous psychology about someone I don't know:
He would have to learn a bit about the strategies before being able ot appreciate the game, and, since he knows other fighting games, he expected this one to behave the same. It didn't behave as the norm, so it wasn't good.

Nah it has combos, but game is designed so that game is against combos. In fact it takes much more skill to fid/do combos in a game designed agst combos.

All games require reflexes.(unless ur playing TBS infinite time)

Yeah I wish... but I already told him how game operates and how in depth it was before playing. And he himself flat out said game sucks because of 3 reasons given.

Whats even worse.... ya all know how good halo was for xbox. Well he's PC gamer and he couldnt wait to play the game. He installs it today and he didnt like the highest resolution the game could offer. He believes the PC version graphic is inferior to what xbox was... or at least he believes this game isnt the gme w/ graphics right now (he kept complainging "it kinda looks like half life") So he uninstalled it and wont play the game. WTF?

I wanted to decapitate him if he was gonna complain about how halo sucked cause it looked too "half lifeish" one more time........

[LDiCesare]

Morrowind is still the best game ever (IMHO). It has a graphics system that still rivals many new productions. And the ammount of time spent developing a non-linear story line is amazing to me.

If only you could actually interact with NPCs in this game. There's no talking to be done in it. Just yes/no/let me raise my diplomacy skills. As for non linear, well... you have gates to go through and very few different endings. I preferred Arcanum as far as role playing was concerned. Morrowind is beautiful, has a very good skills system, but your character is doomed to have no character. In fact I prefer Nethack to Morrowind as far as richness of the world is concerned...

All games require reflexes.(unless ur playing TBS infinite time)

On computers, I mostly play single player TBS so my games require 0 reflex. When I play things like chess, I will use time limits only to avoid abuse from people who will let the game drag for 1 or 2 hours rather than acknowledge defeat. This rarely turns into a reflex game, unless you specifically play blitz (like when I know I can't win except by time so I'll play fast and silly).

[Jamski]

All games require reflexes.(unless ur playing TBS infinite time)

Rubbish. No games require relexes except computer action games, a very small subset of games in general. Oh, and that masterful card game of SNAP

-Jam

[General Ludd]

Fun = good game.

[Zero]

Originally posted by Jamski


Rubbish. No games require relexes except computer action games, a very small subset of games in general. Oh, and that masterful card game of SNAP

-Jam

- Sports. (and all other games physical)
- Poker (good fast eyes to check up on everyone's faces?)
- Chess (if you play speed chess!)
- Monopoly with my brother (dodging flying objects when he is pissed)

[Skanky Burns]

Text-based games? What sort of reflexes would you need for them?

[Jamski]

- Sports. (and all other games physical)
- Poker (good fast eyes to check up on everyone's faces?)
- Chess (if you play speed chess!)
- Monopoly with my brother (dodging flying objects when he is pissed)

Sports are not games
Poker you don't need reflexes for god's sake.
Chess (even speed) is a game of memory, not reflexes
Monopoly - LOL

-Jam

[lord of the mark]

let me introduce two related words, that also relate to what has been said about caring about whats going, and different games depending on your mood.

Immersion, and willing suspension of disbelief.

Characters and story can lead to the above for many of us - for some of us graphics and sound are important elements in the above - for some details in gameplay are important - for some of us who lean grognard even realism in gameplay is.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Jamski


Rubbish. No games require relexes except computer action games, a very small subset of games in general. Oh, and that masterful card game of SNAP

-Jam

1. Would you consider RTS to be action games?
2. Lots of Console games require reflexes, IIUC, and they make up quite a large portion of games played today in North America and Japan.
3. There are a number of card games that require reflexes, I think (cant remember any classics off the top of my head - POTM has a commercial one called "not guilty" - more than a few kids games like that)

[Imran Siddiqui]

A Good Game draws you in. Preferably through addictive gameplay and a great story. You don't have to feel like you are really there (after all, before recently, when did you think you were 'really' there), but the game must take hold of you. Gameplay is, of course, important. I think a great story is also a good way to do this.

That said my favorite games usually involve both:
Grand Theft Auto III (& Vice City)
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
Deus Ex I
Baldur's Gate II
No One Lives Forever II
Civ II (ok, doesn't really have that great of a story )

[LDiCesare]

1. Would you consider RTS to be action games?

Yes.
But sports are games, too.

Immersion is indeed something that will help make a game good. This one is well found. Suspension of disbelief too, to a lower extent.