What 1st person shooter game should I buy?

[Skanky Burns]

Originally posted by DrSpike
If you want a decent plot a FPS/miniRPG hybrid like System Shock2 or Deus Ex would be my choice.

(tick tock)

clock ticking until Skanky turns up to commend Thief2.

Btw that is also a good choice.

Awww, you recommended Thief for me.

(I've trained you well)

[DrSpike]

Hehe, nah, you just have a good taste in games, despite the one exception that proves the rule.

[Maquiladora]

Those of you who are saying Doom 3 has better graphics must not have seen the same stuff I have. Download the 25 min HL2 graphics demonstration from fileplanet. There's a clip where they demo all the texture effects, camera effects, etc. There's a point where there's a camera on a tripod in front of you, and what the camera sees is projected on several TV's behind you. It looks crazy when that camera starts moving around. There's also a guy made entirely of water standing in a fire. That looks ridiculous. Doom 3 is absolutely a pretty game, but it does not have the same quality graphics as HL2.

Well i havent seen it, but if only the plus point of a game is its graphics then whats the point in buying it? Or buying any game for that matter. I know im not too old, so i must have more sense I genuinely hope HL2 blows Doom3 away and i HOPE HL2 isnt just a sequel with fancy lighting and textures. Its about time the generic Doom clone died a quick yet painful death.

[DrSpike]

It's not only about graphics.......not for most gamers. HL had good graphics for its time, but on top of that was a milestone in the genre. Hopefully HL2 will be the same.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by DrSpike
It's not only about graphics.......not for most gamers. HL had good graphics for its time, but on top of that was a milestone in the genre. Hopefully HL2 will be the same.

well surely its not about accurately modeling a historical conflict, having an elaborate well crafted plot, or having an intricate, well-balanced strategic challenge - these are FPS's after all

Run away!

[FrostyBoy]

BustaMike is right, HL2's graphics appear to be better than Doom3's. This is from the video's I have seen though.

I have just finished Max Payne 2, and THAT is a great game. Infact, best FPS so far.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


well surely its not about accurately modeling a historical conflict, having an elaborate well crafted plot, or having an intricate, well-balanced strategic challenge - these are FPS's after all

Have you ever played WW2 online? Granted, it's not typical 'FPS' in the first place, but it has all that except the plot (well, no more plot then any other WW2 game). Anyways, alot of mods devote themselves to historically accurate and realistic scenarios. And there is a great deal of strategy involved in many of them aswell, particularily the team based games. As for plot, well, Half-Life has a great plot - that's what sets it's singleplayer game apart from most others.

[DrSpike]

Originally posted by lord of the mark

well surely its not about accurately modeling a historical conflict, having an elaborate well crafted plot, or having an intricate, well-balanced strategic challenge - these are FPS's after all

Run away!

Man are you blinkered. The games I mentioned above have well-crafted plots. Games like Operation Flashpoint with a historical setting are also popular. There is not much strategy, but that's true in almost all genres. One is allowed to play TBS games and FPS games you know.

If you don't like FPS, then that's your prerogative. However, at least play some games and get some perspective before spouting rubbish.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by DrSpike


Man are you blinkered. The games I mentioned above have well-crafted plots. Games like Operation Flashpoint with a historical setting are also popular. There is not much strategy, but that's true in almost all genres. One is allowed to play TBS games and FPS games you know.

If you don't like FPS, then that's your prerogative. However, at least play some games and get some perspective before spouting rubbish.

Geez. I was following up your post about half life, which i thought you were not putting in the same category with more "plotty" ones like Deux Ex. And which does not have a historical setting.

Youre allowed to play anything - youre allowed to -play Myst and the Sims too. I was just choosing to be snarky about FPS, as some other folks are snarky about certain "sunday games" (indeed there was one such in just this thread!0. Ive been of good humor about those snarky posts, i wouldnt expect such thin skins on this.

Now maybe youve played the Sims, Myst, etc where I havent played any FPS. If you want me to not make snarky comments, and give leave to yours, thats fine, I will. Im not going to go invest in games that i dont think I will like, and dont want to support, just to make a point here.

[Solver]

Doom started the genre, and for that reason alone I hope Doom 3 is a success. The original Half-Life didn't quite seem nice to me, although I get the idea of what's good in it...

HL2 graphics are beautiful. But as anyone who has seen the alpha of Doom 3 will confirm, the lightning effects in D3 are amazing - so are the physics. It's using an engine that has never been used before in a game...

In Doom 3, I have a tough time distinguishing it from a movie. HL2 still looks like a game. One with fantastic graphics, but a game.

[DrSpike]

Originally posted by lord of the mark

Geez. I was following up your post about half life, which i thought you were not putting in the same category with more "plotty" ones like Deux Ex. And which does not have a historical setting.

Youre allowed to play anything - youre allowed to -play Myst and the Sims too. I was just choosing to be snarky about FPS, as some other folks are snarky about certain "sunday games" (indeed there was one such in just this thread!0. Ive been of good humor about those snarky posts, i wouldnt expect such thin skins on this.

Now maybe youve played the Sims, Myst, etc where I havent played any FPS. If you want me to not make snarky comments, and give leave to yours, thats fine, I will. Im not going to go invest in games that i dont think I will like, and dont want to support, just to make a point here.

Firstly, HL I said was a milestone, and I said that *exactly because* it was the real turning point in the genre away from the conception of FPS that you have. Pre-HL FPS IMO was not a good genre for SP.

Secondly I don't have a thin skin and you can say what you like. You wont get quite so battered though if you can make your arguments at least partially valid.

Thirdly I like Myst and I don't know where you got the idea from that I'd bash it. In fact you can probably dig up a recent post where I castigate someone for suggesting that a large majority serious gamers didn't like Myst.

Fourth I can see I may have provoked you before in Sims discussions, which is a shame. Since you don't post here much, and wont have seen my more serious Sunday Gamer posts, I feel I should clarify that point.

I don't really have anything against Sims players (gasp). I did in fact play it (for a few mind-numbingly boring hours) to form my opinion (and its just my opinion) that it is not a good game, and I think anyone's criticism is only going to be really valid for games they have experienced themselves. My real beefs are other issues about trends towards form over substance and related issues I know many sympathise with. The Sims is just the poster-child. And it will remain so because its funny and, like all good humour, my Sunday Gamer tirades contain more than a kernel of wistful truth.

[Nubclear]

I can't find Deux Ex anywhere on the...ahem....networks.

All I find is French stuff

[DrSpike]

Well obviously I find the use of such networks abhorrent. PM me and I'll tell you exactly which ones I think are the most abhorrent, and why.

[Guynemer]

Originally posted by Sn00py
I have just finished Max Payne 2, and THAT is a great game. Infact, best FPS so far.

I heard it was too short.


Personally, I just can't wait for Deus Ex 2.

[FrostyBoy]

Ah, yes, it is short, but so? Lots of good things are short.