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    list of games and favorites by game genre always makes me think the assumption is that my hobby is something called "gaming" . Now if somebody tells me their hobby is "reading" I tend to think they're either 12 year olds or they're not very intellectual. We intellectual snobs say our hobby is history, or science, or whatever.

    Now games hasnt reached that point, a sign I think of the immaturity of the medium. The technology and the issues it generates still dominate. But at least for me, that is not the reason i play games. I think we should start to think differently - our real interests are NOT 1. Spreadsheet management (TBS) 2. Fast clicking (action games) 3. Fast clicking with some spread sheet management (RTS) 4. Puzzle solving (Adventure) 5. Managing character stats (RPG's) etc.

    Rather our interests are History, fantasy, science fiction, etc.

    Thus for me playing a history game is an extension of my interest in history - just as reading a history book, or seeing a historically themed movie, or visiting a historic site is. So when i play a history game its the history that matters, not whether it RT, TB, or whatever. Similarly a good sci-fi game should hold my interest as sci-fi, just as a novel or movie would, regardless of its genre.

    In the interest of furthering that i invite all to list their favorite games by setting. I will not be tabulating anything, so feel free to list as many as you want. In the interests of clarifying my meaning, I will list most of the games I own.


    Categories - History - (including wargames, empire builders, city builders, etc)
    Science fiction
    Fantasy
    Post-apocalypse (this should be seperate setting from sci-fi, no?)
    Contemporary life (could include a strategy game, though im thinking more of games like the sims, or tycoon games. I'll use 1989, the fall of the Berlin wall, to set apart from history games.)
    Abstract ( no particular setting, like free cell, or, arguably, chess)
    Nature (sim ant. the never made dinosaur game?)

    My games

    History
    1. Civ2
    2. Imperialism2
    3. Age of Empires
    4. Caesar 3
    5. Sid Meiers Gettysburgh/Antietam
    6. RE Lee: Civil War General
    7. 1602 AD

    (note in addition to strat games and citybuilders, this could include WW2 era flight sims, historical setting adventures, etc)


    Sci Fi
    1. SMAC

    (this will include many strat games, but also RPG's, shooters, etc)

    Fantasy
    1. Myst
    2. Zork
    3. Collosal Cave

    (though lots of adventure games here, obviously also lots of RPG's, action games, and strat games)

    Contemporary life
    1. SimCity 2000
    2. Simtown
    3. Simtower
    3. simcopter

    (Mainly "tycoon" games and flight sims, but really should be wider if gaming is too be genuine interactive fiction. Also hoping for the great contemporary power politics game)

    Nature
    1. Simisle
    2. Simsafari

    (Seems to belong to will wright)

    Post-Apocalypse

    ( i dont have any - seems to be popular in RPGS and RTS)

    Abstract
    (Only ones i own are the ones that came with windows, but there seems to be some market)
    Last edited by lord of the mark; October 14, 2003, 13:52.
    "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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    History:
    Civ3
    Operational Art of War would be a close second, followed by the Total War series.

    Science fiction:
    Tie Fighter

    Fantasy:
    Age of Wonders: Shadow Magic

    Post-apocalypse:
    Fallout 2

    Contemporary life:
    What was that Britney Spears dance software called? Never mind...
    I'll go with High Heat 2004 since you've neglected to include any other category that might encompass sports.

    Abstract:
    Microsoft Excel. Weeee!

    Nature:
    Nothing comes to mind.
    "Stuie has the right idea" - Japher
    "I trust Stuie and all involved." - SlowwHand
    "Stuie is right...." - Guynemer

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Stuie
      I'll go with High Heat 2004 since you've neglected to include any other category that might encompass sports.

      Me bad. Sports definitely should be a seperate category - OTOH its usually already treated as seperate genre, so maybe this isnt such a bad oversight. I was thinking similar thoughts re Flight sims, but then thought leaving that out was good, as it broke up contemporary flight sims from historical ones. Dont suppose there's an equivalent distinction for sports though?
      "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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      • #4
        SimEVERYTHING
        I will never understand why some people on Apolyton find you so clever. You're predictable, mundane, and a google-whore and the most observant of us all know this. Your battles of "wits" rely on obscurity and whenever you fail to find something sufficiently obscure, like this, you just act like a 5 year old. Congratulations, molly.

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        • #5
          History:
          Civ2, CTP2, Ceasar 2.

          Science Fiction:
          SMAC, Privateer 2: the Darkening, Crusader: No Regret, Quake 3, MoO, Fragile Allegiance ( a lost gem!), Half Life, C&C, esp. the first one.

          Fantasy:
          Diablo 1, HoMM 3, Warcraft.

          Post-Apocalypse:
          Fallout 1,2.


          Contemporary:
          The SimCity series, Transport Tycoon Deluxe, Counterstrike.

          Abstract:
          Global Conquest ( the follow-up to command HQ ). A game which isn't set in any particular time, but the battles are modern ( with some weird twists, though. )

          Nature:
          Simant.
          urgh.NSFW

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          • #6
            History
            0. Europa Universalis 2
            1. Civilization 2
            2. Imperialism II
            3. Hearts of Iron
            4. Imperialism I

            Sci Fi
            0. Total Annihilation
            1. Duke Nukem 3D
            2. Serious Sam

            Fantasy
            0. Warlords Battlecry II
            1. Warlords III
            2. Doom (could be sf too, but I feel it's closer to fantasy)
            3. Kohan
            4. Fantasy General
            5. Uh, Heretic II

            Contemporary life
            0. Transport Tycoon Deluxe
            1. SimCity 2000

            Nature
            0. SimEarth

            Post-Apocalypse

            Abstract
            0. Minesweeper
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            • #7
              Re: your favorite game for each setting.

              Originally posted by lord of the mark
              ...our real interests are NOT 1. Spreadsheet management (TBS) ...

              ... So when i play a history game its the history that matters, not whether it RT, TB, or whatever. Similarly a good sci-fi game should hold my interest as sci-fi, just as a novel or movie would, regardless of its genre.
              Well, erm...
              I'm not very intellectual.
              My interest is in TBS as a form of game, and the (micro)management part is what attracts me....

              I would play a history TBS, but (almost) never a History RT(S?)...
              I would play a sci-fi TBS, but (almost) never a sci-fi RT(S?)...
              I would play any good TBS, regardless of its setting...

              ____
              Besides, if the reason you play Civ2 is not it's a good TBS but because it *fulfills* the needs of your interest in History, well, your level in the latter could be a bit shallow...

              If you're interested in History, you read books and go to musueums.
              Movies are entertainement, and games provide you with history nurture just like visiting a makeshift movie-set city can substitute visiting an art-city...
              imho
              Last edited by MariOne; October 15, 2003, 07:26.
              I don't exactly know what I mean by that, but I mean it (Holden Caulfield)

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              • #8
                a lot of rpgs are really like an interactive story

                so I agree there

                I also have freinds who only play sci-fi rts and tbs (or only fantasy ones)

                they just prefer the setting better

                actually, while I think that SMAC is the cooler game, I like Civ2 better because the setting grabs me more

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                • #9
                  Re: Re: your favorite game for each setting.

                  Originally posted by MariOne

                  ____
                  Besides, if the reason you play Civ2 is not it's a good TBS but because it *fulfills* the needs of your interest in History, well, your level in the latter could be a bit shallow...

                  If you're interested in History, you read books and go to musueums.
                  Movies are entertainement, and games provide you with history nurture just like visiting a makeshift movie-set city can substitute visiting an art-city...
                  imho
                  I do read books and go to museums. I also enjoy expressing my interest in history through gaming.

                  And if you think Civ2 as history is shallow, you fundamentally misunderstand Civ2. You need to read my column "Civ2's Hegelian Tech Tree" .

                  My column

                  By the way, this does not mean the game doesnt need to be good as a game. Just as movies need to be good as movies, museums need to be good as museums, etc. As a history fan i can even enjoy a relatively shallow historical film (can you say "Gladiator"?) And so I might enjoy a relatively shallow historical game (can you say "Age of Empires"? ) But Civ2 is not shallow - it only looks like that way. (By the way thats not even getting into the historical scenarios for Civ2)
                  Last edited by lord of the mark; October 15, 2003, 09:24.
                  "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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                  • #10
                    Re: Re: your favorite game for each setting.

                    Originally posted by MariOne

                    Movies are entertainement,

                    This from someone whose "flag" is that of Italy, the land that gave us Fellini. Maybe you need to get beyond Hollywood blockbusters .

                    Films are more than "entertainment" They can be serious works of art, that can be as deep and complex as books. Think Kurosawa, Fassbinder, Bergman, etc.

                    Games too can be something more, but not if we keep thinking of them as JUST entertainment.
                    "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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                    • #11
                      History
                      Civ2
                      Civ3

                      Fantasy
                      Baldurs Gate series
                      Neverwinter Nigts
                      Diablo series
                      Icewind Dale series
                      Planescape: Torment
                      Masters of Magic
                      Morrowind

                      sci-fi:
                      SMAC
                      Crusader series
                      X-Com

                      post apocalyptic
                      Fallout series
                      Wasteland

                      And sports might be considered contemporary life right?

                      Madden football series
                      Flight Simulator

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                      • #12
                        Re: your favorite game for each setting.

                        History
                        1. Civ3
                        2. Port Royale
                        4. Sid Meiers Colonization
                        5. RoN


                        Sci Fi
                        1. MoO 2


                        Fantasy
                        1. Elder Scrolls series (any of em)
                        2. Dark Omen
                        3. That Birthright game, where you played and Awnshweigh and conquered the whole continent......


                        Contemporary life
                        1. Railroad Tycoon


                        Nature
                        Can't think of any.


                        Post-Apocalypse
                        Can't think of any.


                        Abstract
                        Can't think of any.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Re: Re: your favorite game for each setting.

                          Originally posted by lord of the mark

                          Films are more than "entertainment" They can be serious works of art, that can be as deep and complex as books. Think Kurosawa, Fassbinder, Bergman, etc.
                          I wholeheartedly agree.
                          I was trying to not be too longwinded.

                          What I meant was:
                          Movies are art, but their art is CINEMA, their worth is their cinema worth.
                          Historical movies are *usually* big meatloafs, poor as movies, and historically useful only for the uneducated masses.
                          Historywise they are "divulgative" at best.
                          Think of Barry Lyndon. A cinema masterpiece. But if you're versed in history, it's nothing more than a curiosity in that sense. If you barely know something about history, in that sense it can be nothing more than a luring introduction, not a reference source.

                          Just like reading Asimov because you're interested in "science". He wrote some great "science divulgation", for those who dind't know about it and wanted to get a glimpse at its surface. But if you're *interested* in science, you study it. If you like Asimov, like him because he's a good sci-fi writer and you like his style, not because you're "interested in science".

                          Same goes with "historical movies", "historical games", and "interest in history"
                          imho
                          I don't exactly know what I mean by that, but I mean it (Holden Caulfield)

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                          • #14
                            Re: Re: Re: Re: your favorite game for each setting.

                            Originally posted by MariOne


                            I wholeheartedly agree.
                            I was trying to not be too longwinded.

                            What I meant was:
                            Movies are art, but their art is CINEMA, their worth is their cinema worth.
                            Historical movies are *usually* big meatloafs, poor as movies, and historically useful only for the uneducated masses.
                            Historywise they are "divulgative" at best.
                            Think of Barry Lyndon. A cinema masterpiece. But if you're versed in history, it's nothing more than a curiosity in that sense. ".

                            Same goes with "historical movies", "historical games", and "interest in history"
                            imho
                            Barry Lyndon is a double adaptation - its Kubricks film version of Thackerays novel - so even if the film (which I enjoyed) was faithful to the novel (which I never read) it would still be limited by the degree of Thackeray's historical accuracy. (though was it really that bad as history - you had semi-mercenary brit troops, the brit-prussian alliance in the seven years war, the very rough Prussian army, attempts to purchase Brit titles of nobility, etc - all accurate and things quite a lot of educated americans wouldnt be particularly aware of)

                            In any case I did not mean to indicate that games should serve as references - the same would apply to films ( as you indicate) historical fiction, and quite a good portion of non-fiction history. Im a history buff, not a professional historian. Not every expression of my historical interest has to serve as a reference.

                            and can i give 3 examples of films by a director definitely less artistic than Kubrick, but which were still very good AS films, and also better as history than Barry Lyndon - im thinking of 3 films by Spielberg - "Saving Private Ryan", "Schindler's List", and "Amistad"
                            Now I wouldnt suggest any of the three as substitutes for a reference work - and I wouldnt claim any of the three in the league of Bergman, Fellini or Kubrick. But they were all powerful moving films, and they all had something to learn even for someone well versed in history, if that person wasnt familiar with the period in question. In fact in the case of "Amistad" I would suggest that even lots of people quite familiar with the period had a lot they could learn.
                            Last edited by lord of the mark; October 16, 2003, 09:54.
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                            • #15
                              Re: Re: Re: Re: your favorite game for each setting.

                              Originally posted by MariOne

                              Just like reading Asimov because you're interested in "science". He wrote some great "science divulgation", for those who dind't know about it and wanted to get a glimpse at its surface. But if you're *interested* in science, you study it. If you like Asimov, like him because he's a good sci-fi writer and you like his style, not because you're "interested in science".
                              But as you say, you read asmivov because youre interested in SCIENCE FICTION, not because youre interested in novels per se.

                              The case of history is somewhat different from science which (apart from natural history) is not essentially a narrative. So if youre interested in science in a narrative sense you must read science fiction, which is a large genre on its own. History DOES present as a narrative. So if youre interested in history, you can read history that not academic, for its narrative interest. Historical fiction therefore, is a more limited interest.
                              Last edited by lord of the mark; October 16, 2003, 10:04.
                              "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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