President of Sheepsta calls for talks over Urbanised future

[GeneralTacticus]

Actually my government is that and you wont admit that once again you are wrong.

Read the f*cking UN report if you disagree with me.

[quote[If you have been reading my Rping started before Archaic decided to screw around with me again, you would realise this is the aporach I had taken.[/quote]

What? Being a Corrupt Dictator?

[quote]And for another thing the fact that you knew and accepted Urbanised before I knew of it proves that you and your ally just fostered a rebellion and that is an act of war. /quote]

Knowing about a rebellion ahead of time and being willing to defend one =/= fostering one.

Wether or not I act upon this violation of Sheepstan sovereignty will remain gaurded.

Go ahead and react, we don't care either way. If you attack, you'll be flattened, and if you don't, well and good.

[Sheep]

No the fact the North and South Sheepsta too are also part of my nation accounts for democratic freedoms and the like.

[red_jon]

There's only one way to solve this! Cut the city in half.

And give both pieces to Redfern

[Sheep]

lol, I have to pay that.

[Sheep]

There will be no talks now. What you did with Urbanised is godmodding, and I shall take this to the courts. The entire saga of you in Sheepsta without asking me is godmodding and the courts have proven this.

[Jack_www]

OCC:
Here we go again.

[Archaic]

Originally posted by Sheep
There will be no talks now. What you did with Urbanised is godmodding, and I shall take this to the courts. The entire saga of you in Sheepsta without asking me is godmodding and the courts have proven this.

Your creation of New Sheepsta in my nation of South Sheepsta was godmodding Sheep, because like it or not, Sheepsta had ceased to be yours, because Nationstates deleted it. But if you want to take it to the court, fine. If you win, the court is playing favouites and is using double standards, and therefore in my eyes is not fit to be the regional court.

[Sheep]

Totaly diffrent circumstances. Sheepsta was created by me, and therefore I still had rights. Even though I had let it expire those rights remained mine.

Now if I had created a NEw Alecrast then you would have every right to be upset. I urge you see it from my point of view, the argument for is better than yours against.

Now Urbanised is another example of godmodding and therfore I does not exist. It is a normal port in the Sheepstan Republic.

[Archaic]

Originally posted by Sheep
Totaly diffrent circumstances. Sheepsta was created by me, and therefore I still had rights. Even though I had let it expire those rights remained mine.

Special Pleading Logical Fallacy

Originally posted by Sheep
Now if I had created a NEw Alecrast then you would have every right to be upset. I urge you see it from my point of view, the argument for is better than yours against.

I'm a logical person, and a realistic one, unlike you who seems to feel free to ignore the basic laws of RP. If you had a reasonable arguement, I would've been swayed long ago.

Originally posted by Sheep
Now Urbanised is another example of godmodding and therfore I does not exist. It is a normal port in the Sheepstan Republic.

Double Standards, unless you're prepared to accept going back to the status quo where Sheepsta was partitioned under Alecrast and Bulbagarden protectorates, with the intention to merge the two as an Alecrast protectorate with Bulbagarden needing to soon withdraw due to internal issues.

[Sheep]

Okay my 'resonable argument is this' Being in hopsital was with limited acces, thought the nation would last longer than the 21 days (when I joined it was longer I think) Came back. Had no Pms asking for permission which I might of given, expected to find my nation still there.

Went to NS server nation gone, went to Apolyton forums, nation occupied. I did what I did, to get what is rightfully mine back.

Your Urbanised oin the other hand is not an attempt to get back whats yours, but to try and keep some of what you tried to steal. Now I have talked to a few members here, whom I will keep anymonous and they agree with me. Give it up. I mean I don;t care if ytou cahnge the PR to make Urbanised a new colony of Alecrast, so longa as in Rp its not on my island.

Hence this is also why I continue to ask for North and South Sheepsta which are rightfully mine. There are no double standards. In the law circumstances count. If you kill someone in pre-meditated murder it is murder and you are guilty, however do it in self defence and you wont get put into jail. Think of that way. Both cases somene is dead, but the other person is treated diffrently.

[Archaic]

Originally posted by Sheep
Okay my 'resonable argument is this' Being in hopsital was with limited acces, thought the nation would last longer than the 21 days (when I joined it was longer I think) Came back. Had no Pms asking for permission which I might of given, expected to find my nation still there.

Went to NS server nation gone, went to Apolyton forums, nation occupied. I did what I did, to get what is rightfully mine back.

Again, Special Pleading fallacy. You're not making any reasonable or rational arguement. No one should be getting special treatment here Sheep. Not you, not me, not anyone.

Originally posted by Sheep
Your Urbanised oin the other hand is not an attempt to get back whats yours, but to try and keep some of what you tried to steal. Now I have talked to a few members here, whom I will keep anymonous and they agree with me. Give it up. I mean I don;t care if ytou cahnge the PR to make Urbanised a new colony of Alecrast, so longa as in Rp its not on my island.

I don't care who you talked to or what you "think" when your arguements are a load of lies and BS. There was a large proportion of Sheepsta which didn't want to merge with you under the vote, and the alegations of vote tampering (ie. No person would vote to be a part of a Corrupt Dictatorship Sheep, and you are one, regardless of what you say otherwise) are valid. It is reasonable RP to have part of the nation declare independance, just as it was reasonable RP for you to have your New Sheepsta, which is why I never protested the fact that it was godmodding originally.

Originally posted by Sheep
Hence this is also why I continue to ask for North and South Sheepsta which are rightfully mine. There are no double standards. In the law circumstances count. If you kill someone in pre-meditated murder it is murder and you are guilty, however do it in self defence and you wont get put into jail. Think of that way. Both cases somene is dead, but the other person is treated diffrently.

They are not. I started them in RL, ergo they are mine, and I decide what happens to them.

I have a proposition for you Sheep. We'll take this to the World Court on the Nationstates forum. How's that sound?

[Drogue]

The World Court has no duristiction. Why not accept that the Sheepstan island is now united under Sheep, as per the election, and that Alecrast is own by Archaic. What about if Sheep decides that a port of Alecrast wants to be Sheepsta, and breaks away, and he starts a nation that way? Yes Urbanised is Archaics, but Urbanised is not part of Sheepsta, IIRC. Therefore it is a seperate nation, but that island is Sheepsta.

[Archaic]

Originally posted by Drogue
The World Court has no duristiction.

How so? If both nations accept it to have juristiction, then it has juristiction.

Originally posted by Drogue
Why not accept that the Sheepstan island is now united under Sheep, as per the election,

Because the election was patently rigged. It is not reasonable RP that that proportion of people would vote willingly to have their nation become part of a Corrupt Dictatorship. People in that poll didn't vote as though they were Sheepstan Citizens. They voted based around their own personal feelings towards me. Not me in game (As in the Alecrast Government), but me personally.

Originally posted by Drogue
What about if Sheep decides that a port of Alecrast wants to be Sheepsta, and breaks away, and he starts a nation that way?

I'd love to see him try it with reasonable RP. If it could be done, then he's more than welcome to. Afterall, it's not as if you haven't already displayed your double standards by allowing him to do it with New Sheepsta in the first place.

Originally posted by Drogue
Yes Urbanised is Archaics, but Urbanised is not part of Sheepsta, IIRC. Therefore it is a seperate nation, but that island is Sheepsta.

Urbanised is a part of the Sheepstan island, and was formerly a part of Sheepsta, North Sheepsta, and for a very short time "United Sheepsta". It is not a seperate nation.

[Drogue]

Originally posted by Archaic
How so? If both nations accept it to have juristiction, then it has juristiction.

No, it is not a ratified court. Both nations can accept, then after the verdict, the loser can simply ignore it. It has no enforcement.

Originally posted by Archaic
Because the election was patently rigged. It is not reasonable RP that that proportion of people would vote willingly to have their nation become part of a Corrupt Dictatorship. People in that poll didn't vote as though they were Sheepstan Citizens. They voted based around their own personal feelings towards me. Not me in game (As in the Alecrast Government), but me personally.

I disagree. I didn't vote like that, and I no a few others didn't. Some may have, yes, but it was not rigged. It was a lot mroe fair than you deciding who won, like in your RP one.

Originally posted by Archaic
I'd love to see him try it with reasonable RP. If it could be done, then he's more than welcome to. Afterall, it's not as if you haven't already displayed your double standards by allowing him to do it with New Sheepsta in the first place.

I'd love to see you try polite RP, but I don't think it will happen. If he is being unreasonable about numbers, about his nation, ignore it. But do not god-mod. I do not like anyone god-modding. He has, as have you. You both were being unreasonable. I am sorry you don't see that, and how your North/South Sheepsta was just as bad as his New Sheepsta, and as you have said, god-modding to counteract a god-mod is not so bad. The court decided that, and yet you still believe you were right. If you wish to stick with it then you can, but most people seem to think you were unreasonable too, if they voted against you because of that,a s you claim. If not, they believed New Sheepstans would want unity, which is perfectly feasable. Just because he is a dictator, doesn;t mean people will not want to live there. I would rather live their than corporate bordello.

Originally posted by Archaic
Urbanised is a part of the Sheepstan island, and was formerly a part of Sheepsta, North Sheepsta, and for a very short time "United Sheepsta". It is not a seperate nation.

No it is seperate. Since you stated a seperate nation, and it is run as such, it is seperate. Look at the Map, you cannot just take land for another nation. That is God-modding. The fact you control it seperately means it is a seperate nation. Since it is a god-mod, the most obvious example I've seen (I want part of your nation, so I'll start another one, and claim it's part of yours). It is simply out of order, and as such, the only defense is to ignore it.

[Sheep]

Thanks for the back up there Drouge. Can you understand where I am coming from Archaic?