INN Offical Thread: Jobedpet gains independence.

[Whaleboy]

Anything either side are prepared to give and take on?

[Archaic]

And what issues do you think we could possibily give and take on?

[Whaleboy]

OOC: I dont know, im just doing the generic diplomacy thing, it doesnt require me to know about what is going on

[Sheep]

Well at least I tried to make peace for the constatnt arguments here. I at least will take not of this and in future, and attempts to call me the origniator of such arguments will be met with this.

As for the you continuing to call me what in NS I am, does not mean I have to take notice of you. It just in escence means I can say what I feel about you. We don;t ahve to get along, I ain;t suggesting that. I am suggesting that if we have to RP together at least keep personal attacks, which you do blatatly out of it.

[Archaic]

Your method of "making peace" is only telling me to shut up and stop disagreing with you. Or in other words, to let you "win". As a matter of principle, I cannot do that. All the posts you've made are there for everyone to see Sheep, and regardless of how much you might try to put on a facade of civility with me now, your childish actions are out in the open for anyone who has the time to go through the threads. The one who has been constantly starting and restarting these arguements is you Sheep, by constantly repeating your lies about the protectorates and other matters.

And where have I been giving you personal attacks Sheep? Calling you a Corrupt Dictatorship, which you are, regardless of how much you want to choose to ignore reality, is not a personal attack.

[Sheep]

No my peace, was for us to stop this useless arguments. RP is fun, we both agree on that, but little else. I was proposing that is we Rp with each others nation to at least contact the other person first, to prevent mass use of Ignore Cannons (apparently they are detrimental to the environment).

Yes I admit that I have been a child, but children do grow up, and it took me a while, but hey, guess what, I aint a child anymore. However in RP I am only saying what is held to be the belief of my own nation, or in the case of INN my organistation. Like I have pointed out you are allowed to have a diffreng opinion, not only the beauty of democracy and free speech, but also of sovereignty.

The personal attacks have come in by calling me names, and obvioulsy slandering my name on these forums. You have done this, I know I have myself. Which I deeply regret, and apologise for. However it does have to stop. I only ask that we resolve our dispute, and get back to RP.

I ask this in respect to other people who use these forums, not only are we with our continuous bickering have caused many people to lose intrest, but also defeats the purpose of this game, or story if you would rather, which is to have fun.

[Archaic]

Originally posted by Sheep
No my peace, was for us to stop this useless arguments. RP is fun, we both agree on that, but little else. I was proposing that is we Rp with each others nation to at least contact the other person first, to prevent mass use of Ignore Cannons (apparently they are detrimental to the environment).

The only way for the arguements to stop is for one side to admit the other is right. As I'm the one who is being forced to press the point by you constantly posting up these falsehoods, I cannot drop the arguement. If the arguement is to stop, you need to stop it with the lying. Otherwise, it will continue, and rightly so. Just because arguements are a "bad thing" doesn't mean they shouldn't happen in every situation. I have every right to continue calling you on your lies when you post them.

Oh, and about yourstatement on the Ignore Cannons there? That's godmodding. FIRE IGNORE CANNONS!

Originally posted by Sheep
Yes I admit that I have been a child, but children do grow up, and it took me a while, but hey, guess what, I aint a child anymore. However in RP I am only saying what is held to be the belief of my own nation, or in the case of INN my organistation. Like I have pointed out you are allowed to have a diffreng opinion, not only the beauty of democracy and free speech, but also of sovereignty.

And in RP, I am only saying what is both
a) The belief in my own nation
&
b) The truth
Also.....
"Like I have pointed out you are allowed to have a diffreng opinion, not only the beauty of democracy and free speech, but also of sovereignty"
WTF are you implying by this? You seem to be trying to stain other peoples perceptions of me by saying that I don't hold these principles dear. Hiding insults in flowery language isn't going to do you any good Sheep.

Originally posted by Sheep
The personal attacks have come in by calling me names, and obvioulsy slandering my name on these forums. You have done this, I know I have myself. Which I deeply regret, and apologise for. However it does have to stop. I only ask that we resolve our dispute, and get back to RP.

Slander implies a lie Sheep. Nowhere have I lied about what you've done. As for insulting you, kindly find a recent one. Since you seem to be so keen on saying that you've changed, something I highly doubt, why can't I?

Our dispute is in RP, and I see no reason why it shouldn't continue.

Originally posted by Sheep
I ask this in respect to other people who use these forums, not only are we with our continuous bickering have caused many people to lose intrest, but also defeats the purpose of this game, or story if you would rather, which is to have fun.

In other words.....
"I can't have fun if people argue with me. I just want to live in a fantasy world where nations with wildly different ideologies get along and pretend nothing's happening, even though one of those said nations has constantly threatened nuclear attack against the other."
Get real Sheep.



I just thought of the perfect analogy for what's happening here, one I'm sure someone like you could understand Sheep, since you call yourself a leftist, and a libertarian like myself shares the left's stance on a number of social issues.

It's like I'm Pallestine, and you're Israel. You make this big song and dance about giving me some "concession" or "extending the hand of peace", when what you're doing is woefully inadequate, and then cry at me being "unreasonable" when I rightly reject your proposals.

[Sheep]

Originally posted by Archaic


The only way for the arguements to stop is for one side to admit the other is right. As I'm the one who is being forced to press the point by you constantly posting up these falsehoods, I cannot drop the arguement. If the arguement is to stop, you need to stop it with the lying. Otherwise, it will continue, and rightly so. Just because arguements are a "bad thing" doesn't mean they shouldn't happen in every situation. I have every right to continue calling you on your lies when you post them.

What I am getting at here, is that both our nations do not like each other. You can continue to call me on my 'lies' but remeber my nation thinks you 'lie'. We both have difrent versions of events. This is what I am getting at. Example of this is that in Saddam's Iraq, the children learnt in schools that Saddam won the war. The british learnt in WW2 that Germans were evil, the Germans learnt jews were evil. It aint all right is it, but its what happened.

Originally posted by Archaic
Oh, and about yourstatement on the Ignore Cannons there? That's godmodding. FIRE IGNORE CANNONS!

I have to pay that. What I was getting at is noone wants to see you ignoring everything. It is detrimental to the environment a.k.a the forums.

Originally posted by Archaic
And in RP, I am only saying what is both
a) The belief in my own nation
&
b) The truth
Also.....
"Like I have pointed out you are allowed to have a diffreng opinion, not only the beauty of democracy and free speech, but also of sovereignty"
WTF are you implying by this? You seem to be trying to stain other peoples perceptions of me by saying that I don't hold these principles dear. Hiding insults in flowery language isn't going to do you any good Sheep.

Not at all. I am not trying to stain your formidable reputation. However I am pointing out to you that as RP is one's own perception our nations can say what they like. Doesn't mean its true. Perhaps we could work on disingusihing what is propaganda and what is truth. Maybe we could all work (not just the two of us) on this issue. After all even now propoganda still plays a huge role in every country.

Originally posted by Archaic
Slander implies a lie Sheep. Nowhere have I lied about what you've done. As for insulting you, kindly find a recent one. Since you seem to be so keen on saying that you've changed, something I highly doubt, why can't I?

Our dispute is in RP, and I see no reason why it shouldn't continue.

Neither do I my friend, however calling me a 'petulatnt child' is one insult that comes of the top of my head. I have not said you can not change, I am merely asking you if you feel it is time to give this a rest. Believe it or not I don;t like arguments, that extend from when we are trying to have fun. I do not wish for our little cold war to not continue. I find it intresting. I am just asking you to work something out, so that you realise much of what I say is propoganda and the other truth.

This is to prevent ignore cannons from becoming necessary, as you take this as part of the stroyline. Do you think after our history our people are going to love each other. No! Do you think they would agree on events much? NO! Why is this? because both sides would love another crack at each other but the threat of a regional nuclear war is too great. Hence the Cold War scenerio.

Now talk to me on AIM if you need this clarified. I hope I can explain where I am coming from. I do not seek to discredit you, only to end what we have started. anti-RP arguments.




In other words.....
"I can't have fun if people argue with me. I just want to live in a fantasy world where nations with wildly different ideologies get along and pretend nothing's happening, even though one of those said nations has constantly threatened nuclear attack against the other."
Get real Sheep.



I just thought of the perfect analogy for what's happening here, one I'm sure someone like you could understand Sheep, since you call yourself a leftist, and a libertarian like myself shares the left's stance on a number of social issues.

It's like I'm Pallestine, and you're Israel. You make this big song and dance about giving me some "concession" or "extending the hand of peace", when what you're doing is woefully inadequate, and then cry at me being "unreasonable" when I rightly reject your proposals. [/QUOTE]

[Mr. President]

You both live in Queensland. You could just settle this man-to-man in the Circle of Death.

[Whaleboy]

Or celebrity deathmatch style. Drogue can be Johnny Gomez!!!

On a serious note, if you dont agree on a chain of events without claim and counter claim of god modding etc, then I suggest that you drop the RP threads that are causing so much conflict and disagreement, and agree to disagree, kiss and make up, continue with new RP threads that you both agree with, and carry on without the conflict. Otherwise it could escalate into trans RP/RL, and reduce the experience for the rest of us.

If you can agree on a common chain of RP events, thats great, it enables us to keep a good RP thread, if not, then drop the threads.

[Sheep]

Originally posted by Mr. President
You both live in Queensland. You could just settle this man-to-man in the Circle of Death.

I'll be up for that. But it will have to come fast. I amoving at the end of the month to victoria. Maybe Gen. Tac. can take ove for Archaic?

[Sheep]

Originally posted by elijah
Or celebrity deathmatch style. Drogue can be Johnny Gomez!!!

On a serious note, if you dont agree on a chain of events without claim and counter claim of god modding etc, then I suggest that you drop the RP threads that are causing so much conflict and disagreement, and agree to disagree, kiss and make up, continue with new RP threads that you both agree with, and carry on without the conflict. Otherwise it could escalate into trans RP/RL, and reduce the experience for the rest of us.

If you can agree on a common chain of RP events, thats great, it enables us to keep a good RP thread, if not, then drop the threads.

Thats what I am trying to get at. Agree to disagree. Nations have diffreing views on events. However it doesn;t mean that wither one or both are entirely true. Nations put their own spin on events. Thats a fact of life these days. Has been since the formation of the nation-state system by the Peace of Westphalia in 1648. Probably even before then.

[Archaic]

No way am I agreeing to fight Sheep. Besides the fact that I'd beat the living **** out of him anyway (*Proudly holds up his hard earned Black Belt*), and then likely be trumped up on assault charges, he's already sent me several Death Threats over this Game in the past. You want me to meet this insane guy IRL? You've got to be kidding me.

Originally posted by elijah
On a serious note, if you dont agree on a chain of events without claim and counter claim of god modding etc, then I suggest that you drop the RP threads that are causing so much conflict and disagreement, and agree to disagree, kiss and make up, continue with new RP threads that you both agree with, and carry on without the conflict. Otherwise it could escalate into trans RP/RL, and reduce the experience for the rest of us.

If you can agree on a common chain of RP events, thats great, it enables us to keep a good RP thread, if not, then drop the threads.

Good RP =/= RP without conflict.

This is a game of nations. Nations have conflict. Just because there is conflict does not mean things are bad. The only thing that does is Godmodding. Which it seems Sheep is still engaging in after a fashion. *Points to the new INN thread about the Sheepsta Parliment attacks* He's having his INN state it, and with no evidence, so it can be interpreted as them just making slander against Alecrast for now, but if he tries to make it real....godmod.

[Mr. President]

Originally posted by Archaic
No way am I agreeing to fight Sheep. Besides the fact that I'd beat the living **** out of him anyway (*Proudly holds up his hard earned Black Belt*), and then likely be trumped up on assault charges, he's already sent me several Death Threats over this Game in the past. You want me to meet this insane guy IRL? You've got to be kidding me.

I was only kidding.

[Sheep]

lol. Get over it. If you wish to consture what I said in that way thats your problem. Me IRL I can;t hurt a fly. I am a pacificst. I however do not allow people to walk over me which you still try after all this time.