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  • #31
    Originally posted by elijah
    Its about half our entire navy!
    OTOH, it's about the size of our entire navy.

    Which makes me wonder how all these countries are getting such humongous naval forces.
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    • #32
      1) Massive Population
      2) "Frightening" Economy

      Alecrast has probably the 2nd largest GDP in Apolyton, behind Greater Chimera, as well as a population in excess of 700 million, so a military like this isn't that much of a problem for us. Of course, there *is* that unusual Alecrast command structure that makes everything so complicated here to consider....
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      • #33
        OOC: Actually, I think Capitalstan could make a fair claim to being one of Apolyton's largest economies; they were the fastest-growing economy in the region at last count, and they've consistently been in the top ten for every economic sector recently rated. /OOC

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        • #34
          Bulletin from the Centralis Ministry of Defence

          Since our last update, events pertaining to the Elethar conflict have been as follows.

          - The five Eletharian fleets to the northeast of elethar have been totally destroyed. Most of the ships have been sunk, and the few remaining have been boarded and captured by Centralis and Jackson marines. The two Centralis fleets responsible have now merged and are on their way back to Ferrozoica to restock their missile arsenals, while a alrge transport fleet, escorted by lighter ships which were not involved in the battle, is heading for Elethar itself to enter the ground war. An advance wave of 60 000 marines has already landed near the capital city of Unitaville.

          - Opposition forces have continued to make large gains against a crumbling national army, seizing control of the central highlands with assistance from Centralis Raven Guard brigades who paradropped in a few hours ago.

          - All indicatinos we have are that the Eletharian military and government apparatus are in the process of total implosion. Without contact with their commanders, many military units are effectively going rogue and abandoning the fighting, while all the government officials who can are getting out as fast possible, commandeering civilian airliners and flying to uninvolved nations, probably aided by LIB funds.

          - A squadron of Centralis Q-119 bombers returned approximately ten minutes ago from a bombing run on a cave complex within the Eletharian jungles where the Grand Poobah was beleived to be hiding with many of his top advisors. Satellite footage confirms that the complex has been destroyed; we have no way of confirming whether or not the Poobhs was there. If he was, however, he is dead.

          - Three of our fighters have successfully shot down a military transport plane flying out of Unitaville International Airport, escorted by some of Elethar's last remaining fighter aircraft; it crashed near the landing zone of our mrines, who examined it and found the wreckage to contain more than half of Elethar's estimated foreign currency reserves, which number in the tens of billions. We believe that the regime may be finding other ways to smuggle the rest out of the country, along with any remaining stocks they may have of diamonds and drugs.

          - Representatives from a number of different guerilla groups within Elethar met today in Vannick, Ferrozoica, and approved the charter for a new political organization, the 'National Liberation Coalition of Elethar'. While not specifying any concrete policies regarding economics or specific social issues, it does call for a total end to the Eletharian apartheid system, an end to religious discrimination, the introduction of democracy (the precise format was not mentioned), and a more equitable distribution of wealth than currently prevails.

          - The anticipated wave of terrorism has begun on cue. The opening attack was the detonation of a truck bomb in downturn Port Antioch, which destroyed an entire street, killing at least 400 people and injuring over 2000. Minutes alter a second blast was reported in one of the chief financial arcologies of Geelong, wrecking everything for over a hudnred metres horizontally and bringing down the floors above and below it, too. While the damage is relatively minor compared to the size of the building, it will have taken hundreds, if not thousands, of lives; perhaps the only blessing is that most of the people working in the area were on lunch break. A third atrocity was prevented only when four men and one woman were found to lack appriopriate identification when they went through a security checkpoint in a residential arcology; when they were searched, they were carrying enough C4 explosives to cause the building to collapse if it were detonated on the ground floor. We must, again, urge all countries involved to be on their guard.

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          • #35
            Marijuanian troops have landed on the secondary Island, supported by the navy and air force. Satellite footage and air recon shows that the military on that Island has been practically decimated, although we are not entirely certain of this.

            The Navy has sighted three frigate-type ships escaping at high speed from Elethars East. The superbattleship MSS Hood, and heavy cruiser MSS Judas are giving chase. The ships will be destroyed if they do not surrender.
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            • #36
              Alecrast: You have no tax though. Paying for your army might be difficult.

              The reason mine is so big, is because I have the 2nd largest per capita spending on military, and the biggest nation. Technically, it should be at least twice the size of everyone elses, except for The Hive (in terms of spending) since I have more spending per capita, and over twice as many people. So looking at others sizes, mines is well understated. However I feel it is realistic, being 6.5% of tax rate (which is a lot, but for 2nd in region, not that high) and ~1% of population (my forces being equipment and training heavy), not such a large standing force, but very highly trained and equipped.
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              • #37
                "Alecrast: You have no tax though. Paying for your army might be difficult"

                If I may speak for Archaic, I believe he now no INCOME tax, says nothing about other forms

                ooc: Will I think we got different threads for that kinda stuff, the military ones....
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                • #38
                  Drogue, I already addressed that issue in the other thread.

                  No income tax. We do have other taxation (A Goods and Services tax, or as you might know it, a Value Added Tax or VAT), though that's pretty much besides the point here except where the Foreign Legion is concerned, it being the only Alecraft force of any size to get the majority of its funding from the government. The Alecrast armed forces, including its navies and air force, are really somewhat "private armies" raised by the regional Dukes and Duchesses, various business concerns such as Nukes4U, and several of the labour unions (Such as the Union of Bikers and Truckers, which effectivly "owns" the MadBoyz Batallion. It's President, it should be noted, currently sits on the Council as Minister for Transport and Regional Services), as well as the Monarch, out of their own pockets through the incomes they make with their business concerns, which work together out of interests of national cohesion and security. All the men, including those in the reserves, get paid quite handsomely for their services. And so they're not "dead weight", the Alecrast armed forces are frequently "loaned out" to other liberal and/or capitalistic nations (As a rule not to Dictators unless their citizens have both full civil and economic rights, such as with Bulbagarden) for defence, which has both given the forces field training that money simply cannot buy, and gives them a steady income that gets reinvested straight back into them.
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                  • #39
                    MoD Bulletin

                    Further events in the Elethar conflict and related matters:

                    - Government control over the secondary island has been completely eliminated, as MArijuanian forces have occupied it entirely.

                    - The first Centralis marines to land have been massively reinforced, with another quarter of a million troops being poured in, including the elite Centralis 'Ironsides' and 'Salamanders' units.

                    - At least half of the surviving eletharian army is beleived to have either deserted or gone rogue, leaving a total force of approximately 300 000, largely position along the norhtern coast and around the capital.

                    - The NCLE stated that it was preparing, upon international approval, to declare a provisional revolutionary government. With over half the country now in the hands of forces controlled by members, NCLE leader Thabo Santos said that it only made sense for the NCLE to be considered the de facto government of Elethar.

                    - Centralis paratroopers have landed near the site of the cave comlex destoryed yesterday, but have yet to find anything to confirm or deny that the Grand Poobah was there when it was hit. The search continues.

                    - There have been no reports of further terrorist acts today, thankfully, but the Ministry for State Security has stated that a number of people have been arrested for planning or attempting to commit terrorist actions, largely concentrated in central Geelong, which has now become virtually a garrison state, with checkpoints every few hundred metres inside the arcologies and counter-terrorist forces patrolling the corridors.

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                    • #40
                      The Wine Prime Minister as well as King Giovanni are now back into their offices, after a long visit to the "Free Land of Peaceloving People" where they were discussing with President Pietro a possible increase of the Wine Naval Presence around the peaceful island in order to better protect them in this turbolent times, as under the Dolcetto Treaty (for those who don't know it, the Dolcetto Treaty is a defense treaty between my 3 nations: Wine, Savoia and Peaceloving People).

                      When they got back they founded their desk covered with papers and a huge "to do" pile.

                      It seems as the coalition is now getting the upperhand over the forces of Elethar, we might be able to provide some backing and dispatch a few Air Wings upon request by any of the power involved (except for Elethar of course), currently Wine is not involved in the conflict, but after reading the many dispatchs sent to us by Centralis, Marijuania and others that Wine was indeed a target of the terrorists, the least we can do is provide some help to the fighting forces.

                      (OOC: I had a lot to do in school, so I missed all the action... darn)

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                      • #41
                        Marijuanian forces have secured the secondary island of Elethar, and are preparing two naval bases, one to the south, mainly for supplies, and one to the East, facing the primary island, where our navy will be based to reinforce the Centralis campaign. It is also a base of operations to launch patrols around the entire Elethan primary island.

                        Meantime, the escaping frigates have been joined by two additional destroyers that escaped from a small Elethan port this morning, overwhelming the Marijuanian gunboat that engaged them. That boat was lost with all hands.

                        The MSS Hood and MSS Judas are chasing these five ships. The Hood has temporarily pulled back with minor engine trouble, and the Judas has accelerated to engage the five vessels from behind.

                        This should be an easy engagement, the Judas is very well armed and powered, and the superbattleship Hood is the daddy!

                        Security in the Marijuanian mainland remains high, as it does in Stanleystan. A force of bombers, fighter escorts, and Hastings-class interceptors has been deployed in the secondary Island of Elethar.

                        We ask that after the war, Centralis takes command of Elethar as a protectorate or something (OOC: Makes sense, it is your nation ).
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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by elijah
                          Meantime, the escaping frigates have been joined by two additional destroyers that escaped from a small Elethan port this morning, overwhelming the Marijuanian gunboat that engaged them. That boat was lost with all hands.
                          Under the order of Vice-Admiral Pak, battlegroup Clayton intercepted the fleeing Eletharan vessels. Three were sunk in a brief engagement, and the other two surrendered.
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                          • #43
                            Jackson Marines, Paratroopers and Armor divisions with attack helicopters have landed on Elethar to restored order to the nation and crush what ever forces are left behind from the recent attacks. Currently we have encounter only smal pockets of resistance as the command and control of their army is completly gone.
                            Also we have UAVs scouting ahead of our main forces along with recon brigades. Thus will be able to pin point all hostile troop locations and wipe them out before they know we are there.
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                            • #44
                              War Update

                              It would appear that this conflict has effectively ended as a 'war', and will henceforth be a mere counter-insurgency campaign. The corpse of the Grand Poobah has been located in the bombed-out cave complex, and the capital has fallen with minimal losses. The NCLE has now proclaimed the establishment of the Provisional Revolutionary Government, headed by representatives from all the major oppositino groups, and has requested international recognition and assistance in hunting down the remaining apartheid troops, which are still beleived to number at least 400 000, counting those units that have deserted but are still fighting together.

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                              • #45
                                Several TV stations in nearby Dakmoristan received e-mails threatening attacks against that nation as reprisals for its close relationship with Centralis. They also warned that other allies of the belligerents would face terrorist attacks, specifically naming Karakas, Wine, and Capitalstan as targets of their anger.

                                The Department of Internal Security is attempting to trace the origin of the messages.
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