Apolyton Millitary Rankings

[Drogue]

UR: Please remeber this is not the place for discussion. Also, how does he pay for it: with 8.5% of his tax, and 1.7 Billion people. There is no such UN treaty passed since Marijuania joined. Indeed, Akiria has a weapons contract to supply the ISS, a UN initiative.

[Whaleboy]

Akiria has a weapons contract to supply the ISS

As do we. Its 1.8 billion people btw . IIRC, the treaty only affected those nations already in the UN, and only to do with nukes being detonated in space. Otherwise, it would ban ICBM's too.

[Drogue]

elijah: No you don't. The ISS was set up before Marijuania existed. If you mean the Apolyton Space Station, then we both do, although I believe them signing it with you makes mine void, and thus I will stop supplying. The ISS was a UN resolution from before Christmas, and the first that passed when Akiria joined the UN, before any other Apolyton Nation.

[Whaleboy]

I know we supplied some weapons and armour modules to the station that have been there for "years" (ooc: about 2/3 weeks). This was a one off thing mind, so if you have a long term thing I would guess its unaffected. Marijuania and thus now the LF has specialities in very high altitude weaponry, and linking with sensory systems that no other nation as yet has, so providing such a one off weapons systems is logical.

Nonetheless, I dont think we're meant to talk here, PM me if you want to continue this.

[Urban Ranger]

I am moving this discussion to the "Military Strength" thread.

[Sheep]

Update of Mt.Gravatt forces

occ: I hope you don't mind Jack but your classifications seem one of the best so I borrowed it.

Armed Republic of Sheepsta (under New Sheepsta at NS)
Population: 485 million citizens (total of military 25 million (5.1%))
Capital: Chopsu

Army
--------------------
Troops: 4,000,000
Republic Gaurd 2,000,000 (better equipped than any other army)
National Guard(reserves, have been called up): 7,500,000
Paratroopers: 500,000
Spec/Ops: 100,000
Tanks(Abram M1A2 tank):400,500
Tank Crews: 1,500,000
Moblie Anti Aircraft missle jeeps: 100,000
APC: 200,000
Self propelled Artillery: 23,000
Rocket Artillery: 10,000
Jeeps and other support trucks: 700,472
Support Troops: 700,000


Marines
-------------------
Troops: 2,500,000
Reverses: 1,000,000
Marine carriers(holds troops, helicopters airplanes and landing craft): 80
Destoryers: 90(for grauding aircraft carriers, but the carriers are not that big)
Attack Helicopters: 800
Transport Helocpters : 515

Airforce:
-----------------------
Pilots: 104,000
Reverses: 600,000
Support Crew: 300,000
Fighters: 10,000
Fighter/bombers: 5,000
Ground-Attack Aircraft: 3,000
Heavy Bombers(B-52): 100
Attack Helicopters: 10,000
Trasport Helicopters: 8,000
Rescue Helicopters: 7,000
Slealth Bombers: 50
Air Transport Planes: 100
Air Fuel Tankers:90 (able to refuel planes in flight)
Command and Controll planes(with Radar, ect.): 20
Gun Planes(artillery and other guns): 70


Navy:
----------------------
Sailors: 2,000,000
Reverses: 500,000
Support Crew: 400,000
Air Craft Carriers : 25
Naval Aircraft: 4,000
AEGIS Cruisers: 400
AEGIS Destroyers: 100
Missle Cruisers: 75
Missle Destroyers: 75
(Nuclear Missle) Subs: 30
Attack Subs: 130
Transport ships: 5,000
Gun boats(mainly used close to coast and rivers): 3000
Coast Guard Patroll boats: 1,000
(Note all subs and carriers are powered by nuclear power)


Startegic Forces:
---------------------
Strategic Forces: 1,000,000
Nuclear Warheads: classified
Nuclear Bombs: cssified
ICBMs(five warhead in a missle): Classified
Nuclear Missles on Missle Subs(five warhead in a missle): Classified
Tatical Nuclear Weapons(Used by Army): Classified
Biological Warheads: Classified
Chemcial Warheads: Classified
Special Forces: Classified
New Fangled Fireships: Classified

[Sheep]

Mt. Gravatt nations

Confederacy of New Griffith
Population: 548 million
Enlisted: 27 million (4.8%)

Capital : Nathan

Army
--------------------
Troops: 6,000,000
Comfederate Gaurd 2,000,000
National Guard( reserves, have been called up): 7,500,000
Paratroopers: 500,000
Spec/Ops: 100,000
Tanks(Abram M1A2 tank):400,500
Tank Crews: 1,500,000
Moblie Anti Aircraft missle jeeps: 100,000
APC: 200,000
Self propelled Artillery: 23,000
Rocket Artillery: 10,000
Jeeps and other support trucks: 700,472
Support Troops: 700,000


Marines
-------------------
Troops: 2,500,000
Reverses: 1,000,000
Marine carriers(holds troops, helicopters airplanes and landing craft): 80
Destoryers: 90(for grauding aircraft carriers, but the carriers are not that big)
Attack Helicopters: 800
Transport Helocpters : 515

Airforce:
-----------------------
Pilots: 104,000
Reverses: 600,000
Support Crew: 300,000
Fighters: 10,000
Fighter/bombers: 5,000
Ground-Attack Aircraft: 3,000
Heavy Bombers(B-52): 100
Attack Helicopters: 10,000
Trasport Helicopters: 8,000
Rescue Helicopters: 7,000
Slealth Bombers: 50
Air Transport Planes: 100
Air Fuel Tankers:90 (able to refuel planes in flight)
Command and Controll planes(with Radar, ect.): 20
Gun Planes(artillery and other guns): 70


Navy:
----------------------
Sailors: 2,000,000
Reverses: 500,000
Support Crew: 400,000
Air Craft Carriers : 25
Naval Aircraft: 4,000
AEGIS Cruisers: 400
AEGIS Destroyers: 100
Missle Cruisers: 75
Missle Destroyers: 75
(Nuclear Missle) Subs: 30
Attack Subs: 130
Transport ships: 5,000
Gun boats(mainly used close to coast and rivers): 3000
Coast Guard Patroll boats: 1,000
(Note all subs and carriers are powered by nuclear power)


Startegic Forces:
---------------------
Strategic Forces: 1,000,000
Nuclear Warheads: classified
Nuclear Bombs: cssified
ICBMs(five warhead in a missle): Classified
Nuclear Missles on Missle Subs(five warhead in a missle): Classified
Tatical Nuclear Weapons(Used by Army): Classified
Biological Warheads: Classified
Chemcial Warheads: Classified
Special Forces: Classified

[Sheep]

Mt. Gravatt nations continued

The Republic of Jobedpet
Population: 224 million
Enlisted Men: 11.2 million (5%)

Army
--------------------
Troops: 3,000,000
National Guard(reserves, have been called up): 4,500,000
Paratroopers: 500,000
Spec/Ops: 100,000
Tanks(Abram M1A2 tank):400,500
Tank Crews: 1,500,000
Moblie Anti Aircraft missle jeeps: 100,000
APC: 200,000
Self propelled Artillery: 23,000
Rocket Artillery: 10,000
Jeeps and other support trucks: 700,472
Support Troops: 700,000


Marines
-------------------
Troops: 1,500,000
Reverses: 500,000
Marine carriers(holds troops, helicopters airplanes and landing craft): 80
Destoryers: 90(for grauding aircraft carriers, but the carriers are not that big)
Attack Helicopters: 800
Transport Helocpters : 515

Airforce:
-----------------------
Pilots: 104,000
Reverses: 600,000
Support Crew: 300,000
Fighters: 10,000
Fighter/bombers: 5,000
Ground-Attack Aircraft: 3,000
Heavy Bombers(B-52): 100
Attack Helicopters: 10,000
Trasport Helicopters: 8,000
Rescue Helicopters: 7,000
Slealth Bombers: 50
Air Transport Planes: 100
Air Fuel Tankers:90 (able to refuel planes in flight)
Command and Controll planes(with Radar, ect.): 20
Gun Planes(artillery and other guns): 70


Navy:
----------------------
Sailors: 1,000,000
Reverses: 500,000
Support Crew: 400,000
Air Craft Carriers : 25
Naval Aircraft: 4,000
AEGIS Cruisers: 100
AEGIS Destroyers: 100
Missle Cruisers: 75
Missle Destroyers: 75
(Nuclear Missle) Subs: 30
Attack Subs: 30
Transport ships: 5,000
Gun boats(mainly used close to coast and rivers): 3000
Coast Guard Patroll boats: 1,000
(Note all subs and carriers are powered by nuclear power)


Startegic Forces:
---------------------
Strategic Forces:500,,000
Nuclear Warheads: classified
Nuclear Bombs: cssified
ICBMs(five warhead in a missle): Classified
Nuclear Missles on Missle Subs(five warhead in a missle): Classified
Tatical Nuclear Weapons(Used by Army): Classified
Biological Warheads: Classified
Chemcial Warheads: Classified
Special Forces: Classified
New Fangled Fireships: Classified

[Sheep]

Mt.Gravatt nations continued

The Democratic States of Neveria
Population: 231 million
Enlisted Forces: 11 million (4.7%)
Capital: Neveria City

Army
--------------------
Troops: 3,000,000
National Guard(reserves, have been called up): 4,500,000
Paratroopers: 500,000
Spec/Ops: 100,000
Tanks(Abram M1A2 tank):400,500
Tank Crews: 1,500,000
Moblie Anti Aircraft missle jeeps: 100,000
APC: 200,000
Self propelled Artillery: 23,000
Rocket Artillery: 10,000
Jeeps and other support trucks: 700,472
Support Troops: 700,000


Marines
-------------------
Troops: 1,500,000
Reverses: 500,000
Marine carriers(holds troops, helicopters airplanes and landing craft): 80
Destoryers: 90(for grauding aircraft carriers, but the carriers are not that big)
Attack Helicopters: 800
Transport Helocpters : 515

Airforce:
-----------------------
Pilots: 104,000
Reverses: 600,000
Support Crew: 300,000
Fighters: 10,000
Fighter/bombers: 5,000
Ground-Attack Aircraft: 3,000
Heavy Bombers(B-52): 100
Attack Helicopters: 10,000
Trasport Helicopters: 8,000
Rescue Helicopters: 7,000
Slealth Bombers: 50
Air Transport Planes: 100
Air Fuel Tankers:90 (able to refuel planes in flight)
Command and Controll planes(with Radar, ect.): 20
Gun Planes(artillery and other guns): 70


Navy:
----------------------
Sailors: 1,000,000
Reverses: 500,000
Support Crew: 400,000
Air Craft Carriers : 25
Naval Aircraft: 4,000
AEGIS Cruisers: 100
AEGIS Destroyers: 100
Missle Cruisers: 75
Missle Destroyers: 75
(Nuclear Missle) Subs: 30
Attack Subs: 30
Transport ships: 5,000
Gun boats(mainly used close to coast and rivers): 3000
Coast Guard Patroll boats: 1,000
(Note all subs and carriers are powered by nuclear power)


Startegic Forces:
---------------------
Strategic Forces:500,,000
Nuclear Warheads: classified
Nuclear Bombs: cssified
ICBMs(five warhead in a missle): Classified
Nuclear Missles on Missle Subs(five warhead in a missle): Classified
Tatical Nuclear Weapons(Used by Army): Classified
Biological Warheads: Classified
Chemcial Warheads: Classified
Special Forces: Classified
New Fangled Fireships: Classified

[Sheep]

Mt.Gravatt nations concluded

The Free Republic of Pax Sheepus
Population: 134 million
Enlisted Men: 6.5 million (4.6%)
Capital: Paxisa

Army
--------------------
Troops: 3,000,000
Paratroopers: 500,000
Spec/Ops: 100,000
Tanks(Abram M1A2 tank):400,500
Tank Crews: 500,000
Moblie Anti Aircraft missle jeeps: 100,000
APC: 200,000
Self propelled Artillery: 23,000
Rocket Artillery: 10,000
Jeeps and other support trucks: 700,472
Support Troops: 700,000


Airforce:
-----------------------
Pilots: 104,000
Reverses: 300,000
Support Crew: 300,000
Fighters: 10,000
Fighter/bombers: 5,000
Ground-Attack Aircraft: 3,000
Heavy Bombers(B-52): 100
Attack Helicopters: 10,000
Trasport Helicopters: 8,000
Rescue Helicopters: 7,000
Slealth Bombers: 50
Air Transport Planes: 100
Air Fuel Tankers:90 (able to refuel planes in flight)
Command and Controll planes(with Radar, ect.): 20
Gun Planes(artillery and other guns): 70


Navy:
----------------------
Sailors: 1,000,000
Reverses: 500,000
Support Crew: 400,000
Air Craft Carriers : 25
Naval Aircraft: 4,000
AEGIS Cruisers: 100
AEGIS Destroyers: 100
Missle Cruisers: 75
Missle Destroyers: 75
(Nuclear Missle) Subs: 30
Attack Subs: 30
Transport ships: 5,000
Gun boats(mainly used close to coast and rivers): 3000
Coast Guard Patroll boats: 1,000
(Note all subs and carriers are powered by natural power)

[Whaleboy]

ooc: Ummm, Sheep, those are massive armies according to the size of your nations, and as such would end up destroying your economies, and thus you physically wouldnt be able to muster those forces. Some of those aspects for Sheepsta are bigger than the LF, and the LF is nearly four times larger than Sheepsta.

Please revise.

A reasonable size for a military that wont crush the economy and viability of your nation is less than 15% of tax spending, which reasonably would equate to about 1-2% of GDP at most (talk to Drogue about that though). A very massive army would be about 1% of population, or 3/4% of able male population. That includes ALL military personel, including reserves, full timers, spec ops, navy, airforce etc etc.

For example, Pax Sheepus would have an army that would be almost large enough to cripple that nation economically, if it was 15% the size of what yuo stated. Same with Neveria, Jobedpet and most certainly New Griffith. Again with Sheepsta itself, although it is larger, this would be a reasonable size:

DEMO:
Sheepsta, pop 485million

Total military personel: 0.5% of population, or 2'425'000 people. Out of that, you could perhaps have 2.2 million as your army, the rest being air force and navy.

Your navy could have about a tenth of what you stated.

The airforce, being generous, would be 8-9% of what you stated.

Hope this guide is useful, but DONT take Jackson as your guide for military, if Jackson existed IRL, his nation would have 400% inflation, absolutely no money, and would economically implode, back to the stone age.

[Archaic]

Posting link again in here for Sheep's benifit.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13017

[Drogue]

THIS IS NOT THE PLACE FOR DISCUSSION

If you feel the need to discuss, please post in the discussion thread elijah. This is the 3rd time

Sorry, it's been a long day, and I do not like clutter. Just wanted to make sure all are aware of that rule

[Jack_www]

*BUMP*

[Sheep]

I am in the process of revising my military. I admit it is to excessive, however I do apprecitate constructive criticism such as elijah's, I tend to ignore distructive criticisms. Would of done this sooner but I've been offline or neglecting this thread.