What do you think?

[Hermann the Lombard]

Originally posted by child of Thor
I get the feeling that either

a)CTP2 and Activision left a very bad/unforgivable impression
b)Its too hard for the 'average' user to mod CTP2 succsesfully
c)Civ3 fans, even though generaly upset by Civ3, don't give a monkeys about CTP2.

The first one i can accept(i was one of those very angry people).
The second does really seem to be a problem for some people, they try a mod it doesn't work they give up.
The third one i can't understand - if you like the 'civ' genre and are a real fan of it, then IMHO you will try all varients to experience as much as you can, after all CivII though a classic does get a bit samey once you've completed it an deity level for the 10th time?(which i haven't )

Hmm...likely some truth in all of those, except perhaps the second. It's not so much that it's too hard, as that most players have no idea that it CAN be modded, and if they knew, they wouldn't have the time or inclination to try. That's not to say it's easy! I've seen the bloodstained fingerprints of Dale, Wes, Hex, (et al) on the excellent mods.

On #1, I'm not sure how many Civ2 players even tried CTP2. I didn't until recently, then got drawn in because of one friend who loves CTP2. So I never knew how pissed off people were at Activision until long after the dust settled. I was happily engrossed in the challenges I found here on the Apolyton Civ2 forum. But even with only one city, winning at Deity had become routine, because I/we knew how to take full advantage of the game system. I take no credit for being able to do so; I learned from the Masters here.

I agree in theory that Civ players might like to play a lot of variants, but there are only so many days in the hour. I deliberately skipped Alpha Centauri because I couldn't cope with another time sink. I never even considered CTP2 (and I don't think I even heard of CTP). But eventually I tired of Civ2, and found myself waiting for Civ3, and I'm one of those who LIKES Civ3. I'm just busy with CTP2 right now.

[Eagle]

Ey Hermann,

You better don't try out Alpha Centauri then, I have been addicted to it for a horribly long time, causing me uncountable sleepless nights, because I only wanted to do 'one turn more' ...

Well, having the same now with CTP2 ...

But, like you, I am a late discoverer of CTP2, only recently bought and started playing it.

[child of Thor]

Originally posted by Hermann the Lombard


Hmm...likely some truth in all of those, except perhaps the second. It's not so much that it's too hard, as that most players have no idea that it CAN be modded, and if they knew, they wouldn't have the time or inclination to try.

Well it just seems that when you get some discussion on CTP1 or 2 in the Civ3 forum you will almost always get the 'Tried modding, never got it to work ' post. I think whenever anyone from here posts over there praising the virtues of CTP2 ,modding is nearly always mentioned.

On #1, I'm not sure how many Civ2 players even tried CTP2. I didn't until recently, then got drawn in because of one friend who loves CTP2. So I never knew how pissed off people were at Activision until long after the dust settled.

Alot of the civ 'Vets' seem to carry a grudge against CTP2 / Activision.I can't blame them, but CTP2 is now not a dissapointment, the modders have made it a great game and the best bit of all is that it will always evolve.

But eventually I tired of Civ2, and found myself waiting for Civ3, and I'm one of those who LIKES Civ3. I'm just busy with CTP2 right now.

Well you might have a unique perspective around here, which is a good thing! I'll have to wait till i get Civ3(i need MP), and glad to have you around here

As to time, i must have too much(you are talking to a regular CTP2 multiplayer ).

Eagle when i got a bit more time(!) i'll try Alpha Centauri, heard lots of good things about it.

[Hermann the Lombard]

Originally posted by Eagle
Ey Hermann,

You better don't try out Alpha Centauri then, I have been addicted to it for a horribly long time, causing me uncountable sleepless nights, because I only wanted to do 'one turn more' ...

PRECISELY why I haven't tried it!

[Hermann the Lombard]

Originally posted by child of Thor

Well it just seems that when you get some discussion on CTP1 or 2 in the Civ3 forum you will almost always get the 'Tried modding, never got it to work ' post. I think whenever anyone from here posts over there praising the virtues of CTP2 ,modding is nearly always mentioned.

Hmm...come to think of it, my friend Mark (who loves the CTP2 Alexander and Hannibal scenarios), said the same thing; he could never get the mods to work. I'm trying to get him to try Cradle now, and I've given him the step-by-step instructions to get everything loaded. Let's see: Game, Patch, 'Poly, 12/19, Victory (sorry Wes, one thing at a time).

Seems like all the messages over here mention modding, in both sections. We all know why, of course!

[Eagle]

Ey Hermann,

What you were just saying about the step to step instructions about installing the mods, ...

You wouldn't have any idea about the questions I posted in another thread ? Pls have a look at the 'mp resync problems' thread.

Am having problems with Medmod under win2k.

Tnx

[Locutus]

Originally posted by Hermann the Lombard


Hmm...come to think of it, my friend Mark (who loves the CTP2 Alexander and Hannibal scenarios), said the same thing; he could never get the mods to work. I'm trying to get him to try Cradle now, and I've given him the step-by-step instructions to get everything loaded. Let's see: Game, Patch, 'Poly, 12/19, Victory (sorry Wes, one thing at a time).

Well, if you see *anyone* anywhere mention that they're having problems installing CtP2 mods, don't hesitate to lead them to these forums or tell them to contact me or one of the other guys around here (or tell us where you saw this and we'll go to them). Usually the problems are pretty easy to solve but if you don't have much experience with it, it can be tricky and overwhelming to do so. Here we encounter such problems on an almost daily basis and I know I for one am more than happy to help out wherever possible.

[Dale]

Here here Locutus! Me too. Any questions I can help with, gladly answered.