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    Note: this thread is for discussion on Succession Game V (Succession Games Revived, team 1) only. If you have general Succession Game comments/questions/whatever or if you want to sign up for a game yourself, please post in this thread.

    Edit: This doesn't mean of course that you can only post here if you're part of the team. If you're an 'outsider' and have questions or comments about people's decisions or want to comment on summaries, you're more than welcome to post those. It's questions like 'what is a succession game?' and 'can I still join?' that IMHO only disrupted these threads unnecessarily in the past - feel free to post such questions and comments in the thread I provided a link to above.

    BTW, don't worry, most of my summaries won't be nearly as long... I hope...


    Along the banks of the great river Nile lived the people of Kemet. They lived in small villages and fed themselves by fishing the river, foraging the nearby forests and hunting the plains and grasslands next to the river. One day, in the summer of the year now known as 7000 BC, the Year of the First Revelation, a local chief called Locutus was hunting the plains south and east of the river. In hot persuit of his prey, he tripped and fell to the ground, his head hitting a rock. He lost his consciousness and death was almost certain: a severe head wound and nearby predators would surely have killed him if it wasn't for the miracle that happened next. The sun god Ra, riding his Chariot across the sky, saw from above what was happening and decided to interfere. He descended from the heavens, causing nightfall on mid-day throughout the Nile Valley, picked up the humble body of the chief and healed the man's injury with his divine powers. As Locutus woke up, Ra spoke to him:

    "I am Ra, King of the Gods, All-Father of Creation. I have healed your wounds for it is not yet your time, I have a special purpose for you and your descendants. You are no longer to live in humble huts and live off the land; you are to live in magnificant palaces and build a great empire. An empire that spreads across all lands and waters, an empire that will gather more food and riches than there is water in the Nile, an empire that will reap powers strong enough to destroy the Great Mountain. Yours are to create buildings that reach for the skies and chariots that fly almost as high as mine. Go now and create such an empire, and crush anyone who opposes you, they will feel my wrath!"

    Ra left Locutus where he had found him. Locutus immediately planted his spear in the ground, ran to his village and told his people what had happened. Soon it was recognized that the location of the spear was an important Holy Site. The people of Locutus's village as well as people from neighbouring villages, who quickly learned of the Revelation, soon set about creating a temple at this holy location. Since Ra had commanded to create buildings that reached to the heavens, Locutus ordered that the temple should rise as high as possible. To ensure this, it was given the form of a pyramid. Since everyone wanted to live as close to the Holy Site as possible, many houses were constructed near the Pyramid. Soon the village grew into a city with over 10,000 inhabitants and became known in the Sacred Language as Men-nefer, "established and beautiful", for beautiful it was. Popularly it became known as Memphis.

    Over time, more and more people from other villages along the banks of the Nile heard of the story of Locutus and saw the beauty of the city of Memphis. Many of them decided to give up their uncertain existence of fishing and hunting and moved to Memphis, where thanks to the divine intervention of Ra, food was always plenty. Some villages however, grew jealous and, formed raiding parties and tried to sack Memphis and destroy the temple. Locutus responded by forming a Militia of Spearmen to protect Memphis. It was not long until the inhabitants of this city started to call their small but promosing empire Egypt and crowned their leader Apolyton. Later he would become known as Locutus the Founder, Apolyton I of Egypt.

    Once Memphis was founded, Locutus ordered his priests to find a way to make sure the the story of his Revelation would not be lost in time, so these priests started researching Writing. Also, to ensure that jealous neighbours could not threaten the safety and security of the people of the people of Memphis, the first Apolyton also ordered the training of a regiment of mobile Spearmen.

    In the year 6900 BC, so many people from neighbouring villages had moved to Memphis and so many children had been born in the city, that the population of Memphis exceeded 20,000 inhabitants.

    In 6840 BC disturbing rumours arrived in Egypt. Some faraway people, who apparently were called 'Etruscans', had started production on a great project called Stonehenge.

    6800 BC: Finally the training of a regiment of Spearmen is completed and the regiment starts scouting the lands around Memphis. It soon turns out that the Nile Valley is bordered by large forests in the north, hills in the east, plains and grassland in the east and great waters in the north and south. In the southwest is the mightly Great Mountain. Southwest of Memphis rare Spices are found, making the meals of the people of Memphis a lot more varied and tasteful.

    In 6640 BC more disturbing rumours arrive. Apparantly some other faraway people, this time known as 'Yamato', have also begun work on this Stonehenge project. In the same year another regiment of Spearmen finishes training and is sent out on a reconnaissance mission.

    In 6620 BC rumours of a people called Byzantines who have also started on Stonehenge arrive in Egypt. Some Egytians grow slightly worried: what is this Stonehenge this and why are so many faraway peoples so worked up about it? Shouldn't Locutus also be working on it?

    6600 BC: One of the regiments of Spearmen runs into some mysterious ruins to the east of Memphis. Under the command of Apolyton I himself, the brave Spearmen enter the unknown dwellings. When Locutus leads his men into the ruins, a spear is thrown from behind some rocks and hits Locutus in his chest. Just before the great leader takes his final breath, he orders his men not to kill whoever threw the spear but to capture him and torture him to death. Furiously the men search through the ruins and soon find a few Barbarian soldiers hidden in a small cave. As Locutus had ordered, they capture the men and start torturing them. In an attempt to safe their own lifes, the despicable Barbarians show the Egyptians the advance of Applied Math. The men of Kemet are impressed but still can't let the death of their great leader go unpunished, so they gratefully accept the knowledge from the Barbarians and kill them on the spot. The body of Locutus is sent to Memphis and a few days later a solemn funeral ceremony is held on the sacred ground where Ra healed Apolyton I. The mummified body of Apolyton I is placed in the holiest chamber of the pyramid with many jewelry and lots of food, to allow their leader to travel to the afterlife undisturbed and in luxury.
    Last edited by Locutus; March 8, 2002, 05:45.
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    pictures

    Can you put some pictures up so we can all see where the story begins?

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      Your wish is my comand
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      • #4
        Hehe, long summaries are great. The first time at least. It gets a bit boring in the Middle Ages though...




        After the reign of Locutus Apolyton I, the people of Memphis were leaderless, and, with the precepts of Democracy not yet clear in the minds of the people, struggle for control of the nation began, with some bloodied noses, and not terribly-nice words said all round.
        Luckily for the future of the Egyptian people, Ra was watching over them, and had already chosen the successor of Locutus the prophet. Ra's chosen one to lead the Egyptian people was a young man named Wombat (in the old tradition of naming children after the first thing their parents ee out of the window, his full name was Wombat-Urinating-on-Bush, but he preferred the abbreviation...). He was blessed with the ability to lead, a fine mind, a brave spirit, and a big gang of thugs who beat up everyone who opposed him. After much rebellion and dispute, the majority of the population accepted that he was to rule, and praised him as Wombat Apolyton II.

        After a tribal coronation ceremony, known in the old language as the "/Reloadslic", Apolyton II ascended to the seat of power.

        For 80 long years, the reign of Wombat Apolyton II was quiet, even dull, and then...

        6520BC: The spearman to the east of Memphis had been following the line of the forest, to seek out new lands, and other civilisations, to set foot boldly where no Egyptian man had gone before, and with good grammar as well. He had come to a region of icy wastes, and was much surprised when he found on the foothills of a snowy mountain, the remains of a village, much like the one that the records tell was found during the reign of the previous great Apolyton. With a deal of trepidation, he entered the ruins, aware of the story of Locutus and the barbarians...
        It was deserted, and he rested amongst the stones for awhile before continuing on his way.


        As he sat polishing his shiny Egyptian uniform though, and noise disturbed him. In an instant he was hiding behind a overturned hurricane shelter that was nearby. He peered out through the slats in the wood, and saw a horseman approaching. He rose to fight, prepared to die fighting for Egypt, just as the the first Apolyon had, but the horseman dropped his arms on the ground, and called out.
        "Stop! I mean no harm to you. I have seen you in these ruins for the last few hours [how long does it take to get a unit from a goodie hut I ask you!! - Ben] and have noticed the pride with which you shine your armour, and the passion with which you stand to fight, and perhaps die. Tell me, what is your purpose? Why do you have such a sense of purpose, where other men of these times are cowardly and afraid, or aggressive and unrighteous?"
        The spearman of Egypt replied thus: "I serve the nation of Egypt. We have settled in a city, together as a people, united under the banner of Ra as a nation that will rise as an empire, and conquer the world, bringing peace and wisdom in our wake as a storm brings life-giving rain."
        The horseman was impressed. "May I join your empire? I am willing to offer my body and my horse, though I have no weapons but this big stick"
        The spearman thought. Here was a skilled rider of horses offering to join the nation of Egypt. He would greatly aid our military standing. "Here" he said, "Take my spare loin-cloth, and my second-best spear, may you courageously serve Egypt, our first cavalry regiment."

        And from this year, the new javelin cavalry was a part of the Egyptian military, and was assigned a patrol route to increase our knowledge of the world around us.

        6500BC: Some arabian dude jumps on the Stonehenge bandwagon. Following the policy of the last Apolyton, Wombat ignores the rumours, on the grounds that if it was worth doing, we'd be able to do it too.

        The horseman begins exploration, crossing the forest to the west of Memphis, and entering a hilly region. The southern spearman turns south, and meets a coastline, which he proceeds to name the "Costa del Sur", as it is so close to the south pole, and near an icy plateau.

        To the east, the other spearman of Egypt has crossed a narrow causeway, and entered a huge expanse of grassland.

        6380BC: To the far west of Memphis, the horseman stumbled upon another group of tumbledown huts in the thick forest near the sea. Pondering his own acceptance into the empire, he entered the village, hoping to find more recruits to tell of the home he had never seen. To his disappointment, the village was empty, but in one of the buildings was an oaken chest, containing nearly 400 gold pieces.
        He entrusted it to a page boy he had recruited on the edge of a swamp about 40 years ago, and gave him a copy of the map given to him by the spearman. The gold was delivered as fast as possible to Memphis, where Wombat was reported to be "delighted".

        To the east, the spearman crossed a hill, and noted a seam of an interesting-looking glowing rock, that might come in use later on.
        As he slept that night, he heard Ra's musing in his dreams "A bit of SLIC code and a decent AI, and that glowing rock might one day be necessary to build nukes..." As the spearman understood only about one word in three of Ra's speech, he ignored it, working on the basis that if it was important, Ra would tell him again later.

        In 6340BC, Wombat announced to a joyous public that writing had been discovered by wise men in Memphis, and that finally the annals of Egypt could be written down, rather than being passed by word-of-mouth. The next project Wombat told his wose men to work on was a way to feed the growing population of Memphis, some sort of agriculture which was not dependant on the rains, and the wanderings of wildebeast.
        Meanwhile, a crab colony is found near a reef to the west. The horse doesn't like to east them, its rider does. And there was much rejoicing.

        6320BC: The western spearman reaches a snowy peninsula, and turns around to retrace his steps back to the centre of the continent.
        In Memphis, a barbarian horde of spearman is seen north of the city, and the citizens are afraid. They take arms as a milita, their pitchforks becoming weapons.

        6300BC: The barbarians run away.

        6260BC: A momentous occasion in the annals of Egyptian history. The horseman (wouldn't you know) makes contact with another civilization, crossing the borders of an unknown country, and seeing the city of Baghdad on the horizon.
        To the east, the spearman enters an abandoned village, and falls straight into an ambush by a barbarian horde. Two brutal men with deadly accurate slingshots surround him, and Wombat fears the worst. The spearman wisely entrenches himself behind a rough-and-ready stockade, and awaits the hail of stones.

        6200AD: The horseman arrives at the gates of Baghdad, and learns the ruler of this nation is Harun al Rashid, one of those guys who have the thing for Stonehenge. Further exploration reveals that Baghdad is situated right next to a gigantic olive.
        The barbarian slingers pvssy out, and run away from the spearman. Maybe they didn't see him.

        Wombat is struck by both the news of the spearman's survival, and the news that the Arabic leader's name is Harun al Rashid, and the combined effect of both was a fit of hystreical laughter that only stopped when Wombat died of heart failure, aged 430.
        (A statement from his brother was "He was hoping to outlive Noah. Who knows how they counted years in the Old Testament")



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        Last edited by Immortal Wombat; March 9, 2002, 17:41.
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        • #5
          Gazablanca takes the seat of power after being found underneath a big pile of rocks by Wombat Apolyton II’s advisers.They weren’t actively looking for the next successor,but after realizing that Gazablanca had been crushed by the rocks yet still was alive and kicking,decided to install him as leader as a whim(and also because the story sounded good)And so starts the reign of Gazablanca Apolyton III

          6200 BC-6120 BC

          The Javelin Cavalry further explores the area around the forests of Baghdad.The spearman to the south of Memphis discovers a barbarian lurking around,which inspires Gazablanca to queue up another 2 Spearmen to protect Memphis and the Nomad,which will soon be built and ready to build another city .It is decided to build this new city on grassland around 12 squares north,and the new soldiers protecting the Nomad will also be protecting the new city.No barbarian scum is going to attack my
          cities!!!!!
          Also,like the previous ruler,Gazablanca has to use all his power to intone the mighty /reloadslic spell,as messages from the empire’s scribes are turning to gibberish…almost as if a large quantity of moonshine was consumed by every scribe in the empire while writing

          6100 BC-6020 BC

          Javelin Cavalry finds around 200 gold in some ruins,and continues exploring,moving away from the Arabian border. The nomad is finally built in Memphis.Due to suspicion of large barbarian forces in the area,the nomad is made to wait inside the city until an escort of 2 spearmen regiments are created to protect the nomad unit on its travels.

          6000 BC-5920 BC

          329 gold is found by the spearman to the far northeast corner of the land while exploring.The same spearman finds a stack of 3 barbarians roaming around.In order to protect the Nomad convoy preparing to head north,Gazablanca sends the spearman further east hoping that the barbarians give chase…..it seems to work.Where the hell are all the stinking barbs coming from,I wonder?????

          5900 BC-5820 BC

          Javelin Cavalry stumbles upon 2 barbarians in ruins,and bravely kills one of them,nearly dying in the process.The Jav Cavalry also comes to the end of the island and turns North.The nomad group heading north also finds more barbs,and changes course to avoid them.These barbarians are getting rather tiring,Gazablanca thinks……..

          5800 BC

          Gazablanca Apolyton III finally succumbs to years of worrying and stress about the stinking barbarians that roam the land.He dies,but before this leaves a decree to his successor advising that our military should be increased rapidly to counter the barbarian threat to Egypt.




          Locutus,
          Is it OK if I send you the pictures from my game to put up on the succession website?????I'm just a little clueless in uploading stuff to the web

          Thanks.
          I need Scooby Snacks.

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          • #6
            I don't have much time right now, but great stuff guys

            (in the old tradition of naming children after the first thing their parents ee out of the window, his full name was Wombat-Urinating-on-Bush, but he preferred the abbreviation...)
            What?! Windows? In 6500 BC?

            Gaz,
            Sure, send me any pics you've got and I'll post them for you as soon as I have the time. BTW, if others want to upload stuff to the site, here's the info you need (in case you don't have it already): server: ftp.250free.com, username: ctpmodmakers, password: bl00drun (folder: Succession_Games). Alternatively, you can just email it to me and I'll put it up for you.

            Edit: site updated with Gaz's story (but no pics yet).
            Last edited by Locutus; March 11, 2002, 14:14.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Locutus
              What?! Windows? In 6500 BC?
              How much tech does it take to cut a hole in a wall? Who said anything about double glazing?
              Concrete, Abstract, or Squoingy?
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Immortal Wombat

                How much tech does it take to cut a hole in a wall? Who said anything about double glazing?
                D'oh! Didn't notice the smily? Tukkers sense of humour is completely misunderstood by the outside world

                - Locutus
                Proud to be a (misunderstood) Tukker...
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                • #9
                  Website updated with pictures of Gazablanca's game.
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                  • #10
                    We are building cities in the wrong places; we should be building on top of rivers and not next to them. That way we will get a bonus each and every turn. Also make sure you have the Tech slider minimized since it is still early in the game. We should have production maxed and our citizens on the edge of revolting but not quite there (aim for an over all rating of 72 or 71). Since are science production is already so low we will lose little by moving that slider to zero but we will make big gains in production by maxing that one out. When we have two to three cities we can move Tech back up.
                    Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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                    • #11
                      Oerdin,
                      Your strategy suggestions make sense and are very much appreciated, I think others would be wise to at least read them, especially since they come from such an experienced player as you (you ought to write a strategy guide! - or at least a strategy thread ). But eventually everyone has to make his own decisions and follow his own strategies, that's in part what makes these succession games so fun...

                      Personally, I almost always found my first city on the very tile I start: some players (both AIs and human) wander for several turns before settling down, but the earlier in the game the more impact your decisions have so I settle right away and take advantage of the oppurtunity to collect resources and select research goals, etc.
                      In this specific case I liked the fact that we had hills, forests and grassland in the city radius, a good mix IMHO. Also, having 6 out of 9 tiles as river square helps a lot later on in the game, when you move onto a river square you usually only have river 3 tiles (and no idea of what other tiles would be around you)...
                      I'm also a very peaceful player, so production to me is often (slightly) inferior to science, happiness and food (although I find Cradle is forcing me to change strategies)...

                      In the end I don't know whether your strategy or mine works out better (probably yours - in fact, I'm almost certain yours is better) but we all play by our own style... Still, keep those strategy-tips coming though (that goes for everyone), they are very much appreciated and I might accidentally learn a thing or two


                      BTW, guys, we're going to be famous! We're on the radio!
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                      • #12
                        I've sent my savegame to my successor, but I'll post the story within the next few hours

                        (gotta clear my head abit first)
                        In een hoerekotje aan den overkant emmekik mijn bloem verloren,
                        In een hoerekotje aan den overkant bennekik mijn bloemeke kwijt

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Oerdin
                          We are building cities in the wrong places; we should be building on top of rivers and not next to them. That way we will get a bonus each and every turn. Also make sure you have the Tech slider minimized since it is still early in the game. We should have production maxed and our citizens on the edge of revolting but not quite there (aim for an over all rating of 72 or 71). Since are science production is already so low we will lose little by moving that slider to zero but we will make big gains in production by maxing that one out. When we have two to three cities we can move Tech back up.
                          Sliders in Cradle have been weakened. The benefits of using the sliders have been reduced - though as the game progresses, they will pay out more. The trick is that a player will no longer be able to milk the sliders in the early game without it costing him in other areas.

                          You may have a slight problem if you are targeting happiness at 72 in Cradle, as you will then be in a constant riot state. Aim for 75, as that is the lowest you can go in Cradle before chancing a riot.

                          Good luck on maxxing out the sliders in the early game in Cradle too. Maintaining the sliders at their default settings (+0) will give you a 75, and an increase in an area penalizes you at (-3) as opposed to a decrease, which only adds (+2). That brings you down to a 74 and a probable riot...

                          Long term, this makes happiness buildings/entertainers more important.
                          Yes, let's be optimistic until we have reason to be otherwise...No, let's be pessimistic until we are forced to do otherwise...Maybe, let's be balanced until we are convinced to do otherwise. -- DrSpike, Skanky Burns, Shogun Gunner
                          ...aisdhieort...dticcok...

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                          • #14
                            Hmm, I didn't know that cradle effected the use of sliders so much; personally, I think that favors the human player over the AI because the AI doesn't use entertainers while the human can. That means I can, through diligient work, keep entertainers in all the need cities while the AI can only move the sliders at great personal cost. It seems like we could use that fact to hit the AI hard with war unhappiness or something.

                            Lucutus: I too normal settle my first city right where I am unless I am right next to a river or on top of a swamp because in those two cases the benifit of moving one square way outways the lose of one turn of production. Plus with the extra gold and production gained from having a city on the river you can almost always find more goody-huts and/or kill nearby civs.

                            What early game strategies do most of you follow? I personally try to max out warriors so I can grab as many freebie huts as possible and I almost always try to kill or maim any civs which started near me. This puts me way ahead of them and I can either extort techs from them for peace or simply finish them off to gain an early boost to my city count. Then I can continue to act like the peaceful builder until I reach 20 cities plus knighthood when I will once again try to kill and/or maim anyone who I can in order to secure a first place ranking. Once the others get knights I sue for peace and get ready for another big push at my main competetors which will begin as soon as I get facism.
                            All in all it is a very good stratetgy which is a mix of war and building. This is just a general outline and it changes often to fit the geography and the diplomatic conditions of each game (I normally play MP so diplomacy becomes a BIG part of the game). Chao.
                            Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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                            • #15
                              Since we are already talking about strategy I'd like to bring up another often over looked tid-bit that can greatly improve your standing in the game. It seems that most people simply don't know how to properly use the rush buy button; and no, I'm not talking about the bug here. I'm talking about the plain vanilla rush buy button at the top of every build que.
                              Our friends at Activision designed the game so that as an item gets closer to being finished its cost becomes less and less. This makes perfect sense and is as it should be. So how do we make the maximium use of this little piece of knowledge? Well first we must understand that the cost of rush buying deceases as an exponential function (true a small exponential function but it's still exponential)and not as a linear function.
                              Let me explain: If you rush buy an item on the first turn you might pay something like 125% of it's cost, while if you rush buy at the half way point you'd pay 50% of the cost, and if you rush buy at the 75% mark you might only pay 10% of the cost. By doing a little math you can determine that by using the rush buy button when items are half way finished you can finish producing items in half the time and at 75% of the cost (assuming the 1st 50% was built as normal and the last 50% was bought for 25% of its real value). That is a huge production bonus that should not be over looked.
                              Thus may I suggest people rush buy important projects at the half way mark inorder to minimize costs and maximize production?
                              Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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