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  • #16
    I am with big dave et al.
    drdanger - dave havealways been fairly balanced with his opinions in the past - he has admitted that the game has good qualities, but he, like myself, is rather upset with the whole situation of feeling so ripped off by an inferior programming design.
    as for myself, i honestly dont see how you could think this to be a game of good quality lets think of some of the bugs:

    -doesnt center on moving units during turns.
    -if you had a system near the min. req. you could go to the bathroom in between turns and come back before it was finished.
    -any plane attackin/defending over water would autodie
    -a phalax could kill a plane (and this was complained about and fixed in civ 2 - which means activision did not do their homework)
    -no notification when an improvement was built
    -the interface was downgraded/made more difficult (not my opinion, but by human engineering (i.e. GUI) text book example of what NOT to do)
    -whole units would disappear off the screen

    and those are just off the top of my head, not to include multiplayer gliches that i have heard of, but never experienced because i don't use that aspect of the game.
    in all honesty i have never seen so many CRITICAL fixes listed by a gaming company during a patch release(s).

    it is the ONLY game i have ever shelved to wait for a patch just to use it. i waited for the patch like is was a new game. _the most_ disapointing/unpalyable game i ever baught. and teh ONLY GAME i ever actually downloaded a patch for.

    while the game had _many_ new and enlightening features, most of them didnt work right. activision sucks, they push crap out the doors too fast and dont care about their consumers. i remember the good old days of activison when they would give the customers gifts (remember when the would give you gifts for getting high scors in pitfall for atari?) i used to love activision. but this game totally turned me against them. i am going to give them a second chance only becaue of my memoriable childhood with them reminds me that it is possible for the company to do better for their consumers. but i beleive warez is looking like a nice review/30 trial for this patch, err game (sorry, no EBX in my deprived area to have a 30 day trial legally) - IF it is good i will buy it, otherwise i wont have to flame the message boards when i get pissed cause i lost $40 for another unfinished/unplayable game.
    i think one of their programmers summed up both CTP I & II rather well:
    quote:

    There were a lot of really horrendous bugs that quite frankly we didn't know how to fix in the amount of time we have.

    hmmmmmm, sounds familar doesnt it??????!!!!!
    yeah, thats what i thought - cant argue againt the horses mouth


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    "Programming is like sex: one mistake and you have to support it for the rest of your life."
    -Michael Sinz
    [This message has been edited by Nemo (edited November 02, 2000).]

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    • #17
      quote:

      Originally posted by Nemo on 11-02-2000 04:36 PM
      -doesnt center on moving units during turns.


      This works in 2.
      quote:


      -if you had a system near the min. req. you could go to the bathroom in between turns and come back before it was finished.


      Honestly, how many games do you know of that play perfectly on the minimum spec?
      quote:


      -any plane attackin/defending over water would autodie


      This works.
      quote:


      -a phalax could kill a plane (and this was complained about and fixed in civ 2 - which means activision did not do their homework)


      This has been adressed.
      quote:


      -no notification when an improvement was built


      You definately get alerted.
      quote:


      -the interface was downgraded/made more difficult (not my opinion, but by human engineering (i.e. GUI) text book example of what NOT to do)


      I can readily show you contradictory text books about how to do "proper" human engineering. But that's not important. We have spent a great deal of time improving the interface.
      quote:


      -whole units would disappear off the screen


      I don't know what this one was about, but I've never seen it happen.
      quote:


      Originally posted by Pyaray
      There were a lot of really horrendous bugs that quite frankly we didn't know how to fix in the amount of time we have.


      hmmmmmm, sounds familar doesnt it??????!!!!!
      yeah, thats what i thought!



      Wow was that taken out of context. That quote is why we took out a feature. We are dedicated to releasing a quality game, and we would rather remove a feature that doesn't work right than have a feature that is buggy and crashing. Your entire post was about us not addressing bugs, and you use one of my posts about addressing bugs against us. That quote was me explaining why we removed a feature, to make the game higher quality so that we could spend more time fixing other things. As I said, we are dedicated to making a quality product, and part of that does mean decisions about cutting things we don't have time to do to benefit other things that we can do.

      Pyaray
      [This message has been edited by Pyaray (edited November 02, 2000).]

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      • #18
        Big Dave is not anti-Activision, he is merely displaying a good, old-fashioned virtue called "thriftiness." I find it refreshing in a culture where we buy tons of junk stamped with "Made in China."
        As I have mentioned before, it's not just $40 or the equivalent in your country's currency, it's the investment of valuable *time* when we hunt down, buy, install, and learn a new game....only to find that many of the problems we spent even more *time* pointing out meticulously to Activision have not been fixed or possibly even addressed.
        I am cautiously hopeful. I will wait for the reviews, and even more importantly, the posts that will deluge this forum after you bolder (perhaps more affluent?) civ gamers lead the charge in putting CTP2 through its shakedown cruise.
        Ironically, if CTP1 had not been a gift from some friends at work, my wife would have suffocated me in my sleep long ago. She just couldn't understand why I spent more than three months uninstalling and reinstalling CTP1 just to get it to the point that it would allow me to create a scenario (so I could play with specific opponents on a decent world map), move it to the right folder, and be able to load it from within the game. If I had actually bought that game with our own money, she would still be holding it over my head. I guess my point is, if Activision puts out a dud product, and we buy it, how does that make us look to our wives? Hmmmmm?
        An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile,
        hoping it will eat him last.
        Winston Churchill

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        • #19
          pyaray - sorry didnt mean for you to be wasting your time replying to that - you have been so good about informing us. i understand that most of my posting was fixed which was the point of the post - i/we had to wait for a patch before those things were fixed, and the game was playable (except the plane/water one which you have answered -ty- and teh min req i posted October 31, 2000 19:39 that i thought you should actually up your min req and to hell with low sys req users, even if it included by passing my 450 )

          and yes the quote was taken WAY out of context, sorry - but it just seemed soooo fitting my adimosity is nothing personal against any of the programmers, it is the rush that is blatenly being put on you to release the game at X time (i.e. black friday) rather than making it what it should/could be. with several of teh features being removed that were even in the first release, it is too much of a reminissance of the CTP I release - and i fear getting ripped off again (and youcant simply say - 'well dont buy it' becsue i am a civ adict, so that wont do -well...actually it may if the reviews are bad ) - i want it to be as good as it can be (and you have shown us it could be) but my hopes are downfalling as i see many requested (e.g. hotseat pbem - even though i personally never used them) features being removed to meet X shipping time. and i dont want others feeling/being (still debatable which it was) ripped off like i - and others - have with ctp I

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          "Programming is like sex: one mistake and you have to support it for the rest of your life."
          -Michael Sinz
          [This message has been edited by Nemo (edited November 02, 2000).]
          [This message has been edited by Nemo (edited November 02, 2000).]

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          • #20

            I can honestly say that I would NOT buy a game without hotseat, because this is the only way I play it after a while. (Altough WesW APIs are putting an interesting fight!)

            I was surprised (and not happy) when I realized that CTP did not have a hotseat version. It was a relief when it was finally fixed.

            I don't mind space much, altough I personally like it, but hotseat for me is fundamental! I will miss playing CTP2.... 8^(

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            • #21
              "Programming is like sex: one mistake and you have to support it for the rest of your life."
              -Michael Sinz
              [
              Hmm..so your equating a sexual encounter to that of a programmer's job.....hmmm....maybe THAT'S WHY you think CTP:1 is a poor game?Well..I guess you have a good "HAND[le]" on things..eh?
              Oh Well..I stand by my opinion and you do too..so I guess we can all "Agree 2 Disagree"

              However..It is just on my Heart to Thank the GREAT FOLKS @ ACTIVISION for A S-U-P-E-R Game in Call To Power!!
              Way to go Activision..Keep up the Great Work..and I Forgive you for a few Glitches in the CTP:1 release..and I am sure you will do another S-U-P-E-R J-O-B with version 2

              God Bless

              Brother Bruce

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              • #22
                quote:

                Originally posted by Maccabee2 on 11-02-2000 05:25 PM
                Big Dave is not anti-Activision, he is merely displaying a good, old-fashioned virtue called "thriftiness." I find it refreshing in a culture where we buy tons of junk stamped with "Made in China."
                As I have mentioned before, it's not just $40 or the equivalent in your country's currency, it's the investment of valuable *time* when we hunt down, buy, install, and learn a new game....only to find that many of the problems we spent even more *time* pointing out meticulously to Activision have not been fixed or possibly even addressed.
                I am cautiously hopeful. I will wait for the reviews, and even more importantly, the posts that will deluge this forum after you bolder (perhaps more affluent?) civ gamers lead the charge in putting CTP2 through its shakedown cruise.
                Ironically, if CTP1 had not been a gift from some friends at work, my wife would have suffocated me in my sleep long ago. She just couldn't understand why I spent more than three months uninstalling and reinstalling CTP1 just to get it to the point that it would allow me to create a scenario (so I could play with specific opponents on a decent world map), move it to the right folder, and be able to load it from within the game. If I had actually bought that game with our own money, she would still be holding it over my head. I guess my point is, if Activision puts out a dud product, and we buy it, how does that make us look to our wives? Hmmmmm?



                Buddy..I think you have some REALLY SERIOUS MARITAL PROBLEMS if purchasing a CD cause's problems in your marriage

                Man..I am a DIE HARD Fan of CTP:1.....I am soo sorry you and many other have had a Hard Time..Maybe Building Blocks are more your Speed?..eh?
                I reserve the right as an American to Defend Activision as a Great Company!!
                Go get 'Em!

                God Bless

                Brother Bruce

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                • #23
                  quote:

                  Originally posted by DrDanger on 11-02-2000 08:29 PM
                  However..It is just on my Heart to Thank the GREAT FOLKS @ ACTIVISION for A S-U-P-E-R Game in Call To Power!!
                  Way to go Activision..Keep up the Great Work..and I Forgive you for a few Glitches in the CTP:1 release..and I am sure you will do another S-U-P-E-R J-O-B with version 2

                  God Bless

                  Brother Bruce


                  You forgot to burn your incense while you were worshiping Activision. And better get your perscription checked, rose colored glasses don't look good on anyone.

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                  Big Dave

                  Fool me once, shame on you.
                  Fool me twice, shame on me!
                  Any flames in this message are solely in the mind of the reader.

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                  • #24
                    quote:

                    Originally posted by Big Dave on 11-03-2000 09:29 AM
                    You forgot to burn your incense while you were worshiping Activision. And better get your perscription checked, rose colored glasses don't look good on anyone.




                    Nope..I wear Photo-Gray..to keep the Brilliant Lights from Life's experiences down to a minimum!!
                    Nor does one's ARSE..HEH HEH HEH..all HUMPED up on ones shoulders..

                    God Bless
                    Brother Bruce

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                    • #25
                      quote:

                      Originally posted by Nemo on 11-03-2000 12:44 PM
                      well, since you have resorted to an uncalled for personal attack you ignorance has truely shown, thus proving that only the ingorant can find such a game as complete and playable out of the box. -Thank you for proving my point
                      And the signiture is rather appropiate, because as a programmer myself, i/my company actually supports our work if there are flaws with it - unlike activision - and that is how it is like having kids (yeah, thats right, a "sex MISTAKE" = kids). and what it iis saying is that you have to support your programs just as you would your children, i.e. you have to obligate yourself to your mistakes. i figured i had to spell it out since you are too stupid to figure it out on your own.
                      Now- if you have any VALID reasons as to why the game was actually playabe out of the box i would love to hear it, because it certainly was not a balanced, nor critical bug free game.



                      Well..if you practiced safe-sex.."NON-Promiscius that is!!"you wouldnt have to worry..being married would definetly be a blessing to have children..not a mistake..and as for programming my dear wanna-B-perfectionist...DONT TRY TO SELL ME or anyone else that you or your company produce a so-called 100% OUT-OF-THE-BOX Perfect Product..
                      Geez Fella...are you from Disneyland
                      or someplace?

                      If you Dont Like Activision..Move on with your Life...
                      If you Do..then be more supportive..and as for your Friend..Dave..He Thinks more Highly of Himself too..I would be Hard pressed to see a Perfect product produced anywhere..100 % That is..

                      God Bless

                      Brother Bruce

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                      • #26
                        quote:

                        posted November 02, 2000 20:29


                        "Programming is like sex: one mistake and you have to support it for the rest of your life."
                        -Michael Sinz
                        [
                        Hmm..so your equating a sexual encounter to that of a programmer's
                        job.....hmmm....maybe THAT'S WHY you think CTP:1 is a poor game?Well..I guess you have
                        a good "HAND[le]" on things..eh?
                        Oh Well..I stand by my opinion and you do too..so I guess we can all "Agree 2 Disagree"


                        well, since you have resorted to an uncalled for personal attack you ignorance has truely shown, thus proving that only the ingorant can find such a game as complete and playable out of the box. -Thank you for proving my point
                        And the signiture is rather appropiate, because as a programmer myself, i/my company actually supports our work if there are flaws with it - unlike activision - and that is how it is like having kids (yeah, thats right, a "sex MISTAKE" = kids). and what it iis saying is that you have to support your programs just as you would your children, i.e. you have to obligate yourself to your mistakes. i figured i had to spell it out since you are too stupid to figure it out on your own.
                        Now- if you have any VALID reasons as to why the game was actually playabe out of the box i would love to hear it, because it certainly was not a balanced, nor critical bug free game.

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                        "Programming is like sex: one mistake and you have to support it for the rest of your life."
                        -Michael Sinz
                        [This message has been edited by Nemo (edited November 03, 2000).]

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                        • #27
                          [Sound of Hammering]

                          (Stepping Back..admiring my work)

                          (Big Dave and his Girlfriend Nemo read Posted Notice)

                          Here Ye' Here Ye' Here Ye'..Let it be Known that two Unscrupulous Scoundrels...Smelling of Wine and Debauchery..are here by Charged by Your Government Leader...DrDanger..with Sedition and Derision against Activision..all women and children beware..Men..take up your Arms..(PENS)..and bear witness)

                          (My piercing glare cuts to the two hoodlums...tossing a Gauntlet at their feet)

                          As Big Dave and Nemo bend over to pick it up..quizzacily..staring..scratchin..them thar heads?)

                          (I Pull out my Gloves..slapping once with a fore stroke and once with a backstroke..reddening the cheeks of the dastardly duo )

                          YOU TWO HAVE BEEN WARNED...Leave Activision and you shall live in peace..in an Exiled country..STAY..you shall suffer my Unquenchable Wrath!)


                          Heh Heh Heh Hehe

                          Ok Fellas..Just having a little fun......
                          (Let me look into the Nostrodamus future..I see two upset fellas...~sigh~..Oh Well!)


                          Have a blessed Day

                          God Bless

                          Brother Bruce Cronkite
                          [This message has been edited by DrDanger (edited November 04, 2000).]

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                          • #28
                            Oh, I'm quaking in my boots! And you've certainly address all the issues I've brought up, gee, I'm soooooo cowed.

                            {adds drunken bubba to killfile}

                            quote:

                            Originally posted by DrDanger on 11-04-2000 06:19 AM
                            [Sound of Hammering]

                            (Stepping Back..admiring my work)

                            (Big Dave and his Girlfriend Nemo read Posted Notice)

                            Here Ye' Here Ye' Here Ye'..Let it be Known that two Unscrupulous Scoundrels...Smelling of Wine and Debauchery..are here by Charged by Your Government Leader...DrDanger..with Sedition and Derision against Activision..all women and children beware..Men..take up your Arms..(PENS)..and bear witness)

                            (My piercing glare cuts to the two hoodlums...tossing a Gauntlet at their feet)

                            As Big Dave and Nemo bend over to pick it up..quizzacily..staring..scratchin..them thar heads?)

                            (I Pull out my Gloves..slapping once with a fore stroke and once with a backstroke..reddening the cheeks of the dastardly duo )

                            YOU TWO HAVE BEEN WARNED...Leave Activision and you shall live in peace..in an Exiled country..STAY..you shall suffer my Unquenchable Wrath!)


                            Heh Heh Heh Hehe

                            Ok Fellas..Just having a little fun......
                            (Let me look into the Nostrodamus future..I see two upset fellas...~sigh~..Oh Well!)


                            Have a blessed Day

                            God Bless

                            Brother Bruce Cronkite
                            [This message has been edited by DrDanger (edited November 04, 2000).]




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                            Big Dave

                            Fool me once, shame on you.
                            Fool me twice, shame on me!
                            Any flames in this message are solely in the mind of the reader.

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                            • #29
                              quote:

                              Originally posted by DrDanger on 11-03-2000 10:40 PM
                              ..and as for programming my dear wanna-B-perfectionist...DONT TRY TO SELL ME or anyone else that you or your company produce a so-called 100% OUT-OF-THE-BOX Perfect Product..


                              Do you bother to read these posts or do you just hit the Reply button and start typing inflamitory drivel? He didn't say that his company released bug-free software, he said they support it after the fact. And the lack of support from Activision is what most of the complaints are about.

                              So since I can see that you have a 7th grade reading level I'll simply ask if you got your lobotomy at a 2 for 1 sale. Or will you show me that you are capable of reason? Otherwise you will be simply ignored.

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                              Big Dave

                              Fool me once, shame on you.
                              Fool me twice, shame on me!
                              Any flames in this message are solely in the mind of the reader.

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                              • #30
                                I really hate it when people like DrDanger force a thread to be closed because they start ridiculous personal attacks on people and resort to name calling.

                                (as in the thread I created on CTP being too US-centric, which was good when people were coming up with ideas for new wonders, then people took it as an attack on their country and started turning nasty, which I'm sorry to say I responded to).

                                Anyway, my point is, criticise the games if yoiu must, but when you start critising other people, you just start to get rather pathetic.

                                Anyways, back to CTP2. I think Activision should have programmers on standby to make a patch straight away when people start reporting serious bugs, instead of one being released later on.

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                                ...And if the British Commonwealth and its people live for a thousand years, man will still say "this was their finest hour"- Winston Churchill.

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