Funny ppl and GOOO Activision ;)

[Pyaray]

A quick note.

quote: Originally posted by Big Dave on 11-01-2000 11:49 AM I am also glad that Activision has sent many of their people to this forum and that they have implimented some of our suggestions.

Activision does not "send" us here. We do this on our own time. This is not part of our job. Those of us who post on forums like these do it because we are gamers ourselves, and we know how important forums like this are to the games we play. Personally I don't think I'd make it without my EQ forum.

Pyaray

[Paulypav]

Actually, I don't think anyone says they feel Sorry for Activision, its more that people seem to be complaining way too much. Yes, Activision wants to get the product out by Christmas and the programmers are working to get the best product out by that date. I still think that even without PBEM and Hotseat that CTP-II will be much better than CTP.

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[red_jon]

Of course CTP2 will be better than the original.

I'm really looking forward to it even without (sigh) Hotseat

(Oh, and £3.99 is a good price to sell it for in England, especially in Eastbourne )

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...And if the British Commonwealth and its people live for a thousand years, man will still say "this was their finest hour"- Winston Churchill.

[meriadoc]

Okay, at the risk of sounding pro-Activision.

First of all, thanks to all of the Activision team who posts on this forum.

Second, since I doubt that any of us has yet to play CTP2, can we at least tone-down the criticism.

Third, I agree that CTP2 will be better than CTP1. Okay, so we didn't get canals, we didn't get PBEM and Hotseat, we can't officially use more than 8 civs. So what do we get that CTP1 didn't have?
-Improved diplomacy
-Improved AI
-Improved user interface, including a City Screen
-Improved combat, including bigger stacks that can be named
-The elimination of the horses beating jets bug
-Mutally Assured Destruction
-Included scenario support
-More underwater features, including an AI who knows what a navy is
-And more...

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[Daniel Frappier]

Concerning the 8 Civ limit,

All that we wanted is the option to modify it from the game and a scroll bar on the diplomacy menu, it would not have increased system requirements and it would not have required that the AI be less smart.

If you take Age of Empire from Ensemble studio as an example they give you the option to play with 200 units at the same time but you won't be able to do it if you have a Pentium 200. It's nice to have the option for peoples with higher end machine.

It is a marketing decision from Activision, a marketing decision that gives us an inferior game compared to what it could have been and as a customer that's the kind of thing that makes me real mad.

[DrDanger]

Well..Well..Well..
I am a HAPPY CIV CAMPER..Mr.CTP:1 type supporter..and YES..I think CTP:1 was and IS STILL a great game and I have had soo many fun-filled hours..single player and Online as Patton..DrDanger Die Hard..Wolfpack..Red October..I change my alias so it is harder for me to be tracked in my conquest attempts!!

I am just so darn befuddled as to why we have so many Whineey-Pots who slam CTP..and Apolyton..and I gotta be honest to all you little sweethearts who cry ..GROW UP..If ya dont like it..dont buy it..if you are so darned dissatisfied then dont talk about it..Hey its a free country.here in America..be my guest..but for real..if it sucked so Badly..why keep addressing it?..I mean..it had to be somewhat good..or you wouldnt have been playing the Crying game?..eh?
~smirk~..(opening arms..motioning to my little whiney pots)..come tell yo' Daddy what's the matter!!


God Bless
Have a blessed Day..
Brother Bruce Cronkite

[Tical_2000]

After much thought, I would like to apologize to Mark G and the good folks at Activision who have given up their free time to answer our questions. In the past few days, I have put up some posts attacking Mark G personally and for this I'm sorry. This is a world class site. I was and still am a bit dissapointed with the latest developments in the CTP2 saga but I acted immaturely. From now on, I will only make posts with mature substance and strictly game-related topics. Its seems a thick line has now divided those who are infuriated with Activision and those who support them. I think I'm the middle now. I will purchase CTP2 (as I know everyone who posts here will, regardless of what they say) because I'm sure Activision has worked hard on it therefore making it worthy of a try. If it is frustrating, then oh well, life goes on. But maybe we should stop whining about what cannot be fixed and start barraging the Activision folks with our questions about the game. It seems like its a real hot time for questions and answers thanks to the dedication of Pyaray.

-Tical...the final Shaolin warrior

[Big Dave]

I will not buy it unless they produce a quality product. I realize that the majority of my posts have sounded negative lately, and you're right, Ata, I don't know it's going to be bad. To be fair there are alot of new features that, if the game is well put together and these features correctly implimented, promise to make this a landmark game in this genre (TBS). Unfortunatly this genre consists of two games (Civ and CTP) by two companies, Firaxis and Activision.

Oh, and Dr. Bubba (or whatever your name is this week), if you don't like these threads, don't read them. You're probably a Microsheep, too, and don't understand why the DOJ brought anti-trust charges against them.

But Activision's track record makes me leary. And no one on here has offered to loan me $5000 yet. I just don't get it......

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Big Dave

My karma ran over my dogma.

[MidKnight Lament]

quote: Originally posted by Big Dave on 11-02-2000 11:56 PM Unfortunatly this genre consists of two games (Civ and CTP) by two companies, Firaxis and Activision.

Pardon? I must be reading you incorrectly.

I'm pretty happy that there are two companies making civ games. It means more games, and best of all, it means they'll push each other to come up with good new features.

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[MarkG]

quote: Originally posted by Big Dave on 11-02-2000 11:56 PM this genre (TBS). Unfortunatly this genre consists of two games (Civ and CTP) by two companies, Firaxis and Activision.

TBS? nope. there is more "non-civ" tbs out there....

[Big Dave]

quote: Originally posted by MidKnight Lament on 11-03-2000 12:45 AM Pardon? I must be reading you incorrectly. I'm pretty happy that there are two companies making civ games. It means more games, and best of all, it means they'll push each other to come up with good new features.

Sorry, I meant that to read "...only two...."

Markos, who else is making a Civ style TBS (other than Clash, which is no where near completion)? I know there's other TBS out there (Warlords, HOMMIII) but my interest is primarily in historical gaming.

Don't mistake me on Clash, I'm looking forward to it. Talk about revolutionary!! But it's an unproven, unknown quantity so far.

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Big Dave

Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me!

[John Amram]

To all:

I have played civ1 and was totally hooked. I have played civ2 and was totally hooked, never playing civ1 again. I have played CTP 1 and was TOTALLY hooked, never playing civ2 again. I have had non-stop marathons of up to 15 hours!!!

The following is absolutely true: I have destroyed my CTP 1 disc on 3 occasions only to buy it again a few weeks later because I was spending too much time on it. It's when I began to master the Deity level that I finally found peace. I became bored, and subsequently healed of my addiction.

Perfect or not, I feel like a serious addict when I am telling you that I simply cannot wait for CTP2 to be released. If it's at least as good as CTP1 I'll buy it, and I am assuming it will be.

Johnny

'Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising everytime we fall.' Confucius

[MarkG]

i said "non-civ"

quote: there is more "non-civ" tbs out there....

[Atahualpa]

Thats great to hear Amram and I wish I could say the same from myself, but unfortunately I havent had so much fun with CtP1. Tech trading didnt work (due to a bug) and this is a feature I use very often in a civ game.
The combat was great, but with modern times most games grew boring. Tanks and such made it easy to overrun the enemy who was far behind in technology.

ata

[Big Dave]

quote: Originally posted by MarkG on 11-03-2000 11:48 AM i said "non-civ"

Right, sorry I missed that the first time. "Non-civ" TBS, does that mean like Stars! or SE4 or are we still talking historical games like Imperialism 2?

And don't misunderstand me, I don't hate Activision. I very well may end up buying CTP2 if I see patches that correct the "problems" I'm hearing about, or if they turn out to not be problems. But I want to see that Activision is going to support their product. That is the main issue I have with them. And ultimately it will be a marketing decision, not a programming one. Based on past experience this does not bode well for CTP2.


And I still haven't had anyone offer (or even comment on my request for) $5000.

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Big Dave

Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me!