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Right, Great Wall, Grant Canel, Shi Huang Di's Tumb.from China,
and Sony Corporation from Japan. If you don't like that, let's make The Holy Wind a wonder.
Why not replace the proposed Channel Tunnel wonder with the Hokkaido Tunnel - I believe it is longer and older. (Don't know anything about it - just read that somewhere).
And while we're at it - as possible wonders why not the:
Taj Mahal
Sydney Opera House (or Harbour Bridge) (or both)
Eiffel Tower
United Nations (OK, another Anglo-American Invention)
The Bourse or "Stock Market" (not the London Exchange - Stock Markets are another Dutch idea)
and for the future:
Amazon Forest Reservation
Polar Ice Cap Stablisation
Martian Landings
But if you really want something Japanese, my vote would have to go to the musical golf club (joke)
St Swithin - Supporting Manchester United from anywhere outside Manchester should be a capital offence!
[This message has been edited by Chris Horscroft (edited October 22, 2000).]
I can't speak about CTP (I already mentioned I never played it) but CIV too gained the same "way too american" label.
I never understanded why Apollo project was the space wonder, when was USSR Sputnik the first satellite, and USSR Gagarin the firs cosmonaut.
USA won the race to the Moon, mostly because it was the race they set to run.
They had better scientific program at the time (X-15 planes and X-20 lifting body research - years before the Shuttle - and a permanent space station), but they discarded them just to win the Apollo race, with a lot less scientific advances at a greater expense.
Really a bit less than a wonder, by another point of view
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Most of us from the English-speaking world would have trouble with this. Our view of the world is so skewed by American thinking which dominates popular culture.
There were quite a number of good suggestions for non-American wonders at the civ3 forum.
I dont wonder anymore, most things that came from the USA are Americanized! Computergames dont make an exception here.
Okay Sudden Strike is an exception. It is developed by russian developers and I believe thats exact the reason why russians are so strong in multiplayer
Nevertheless, a better representation of WoWs (Wonder of the World) would be great!
At least the US is not the world, though some do believe that
They should also put some latin american wonders too.
like in anncient times the "el Castillo" or "tikal". in the R. they should put "teotihuacan" (site of the biggest pyramid in the world), for modern times they should put something like "Rio d' janeiro" that giives caravns more money(turists) or cancun (fyi: mexico is the country with more turists/population, 2nd place is korea, why korea?)
Red_Jon: I'm curious as to who you say "invented" democracy? Are you counting the Republics of Athens and early Rome as democracies? They had no set protections of individual rights, and, of course, voting was restricted to a select few.
Are you proposing the Brittish or other parliments of colonial-era europe as the inventors? The Magna Carta guarenteed rights, but, as Americans (and other colonials) were so fond of pointing out, they were not represented in parliment.
Or we could pick groups like the Iroquois (Native American) League, whose form of represenative-democracy was based on compromise over majority rule.
There are also more recent democracies, any of which added improvements to the model.
IMHO, there was no "inventor" of democracy, rather it evolved over time through many different forms.
As for CTP being overly American, that's easily fixed: change the names!
-KhanMan
Odin, Thor, and Loki walk into a bar together...
-KhanMan
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Originally posted by KhanMan on 10-23-2000 06:36 AM
Red_Jon: I'm curious as to who you say "invented" democracy? Are you counting the Republics of Athens and early Rome as democracies? They had no set protections of individual rights, and, of course, voting was restricted to a select few.
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IMHO, there was no "inventor" of democracy, rather it evolved over time through many different forms.
-KhanMan
Well I think you need some more history lessons before you can say things like that...
It's a huge difference to have Democracy (with all the problems someone could adress) in a time where everyone else has Monarchy and Tyranny, and have a Democracy that functions better in a time that many others try the same system.....
I thought this was the first university in the world (excuse me if I'm wrong)
It could become obsolete, after computer has been invented.
ADM.Naismith: I mentioned the Mir project and the ISS. These are projects in which the US has no or minor scientific experience.
The Apollo project was THE objective in the space-race. Not just the first man or satellite, although you are COMPLETELY right with your point. And the Apollo project would make a better wonder, certainly with the race to it. The invention is spaceflight (Soviets were the first tto discover) and the Americans to first complete the wonder.
Sorry, but on this point, I prefer the Lunar landings.
I like the bullet train idea, but was the bullet train the first highspeed train (on a seperate railroad)? Or was it the TGV in France. It should get obsolete with the invention of the superconductor. (Maglevs)
The International Court of Appeals (the war tribunal in The Hague, The Netherlands) could also make a good wonder, counting as a courthouse in every city (perhabs even throughout the world). Something like the Chichzen Itza in the Modern age. No obsolence.
I can't help my good history knowledge. The first University in the world that is still up and going is in Fes, Morocco. I can't help myself.
"It is ridiculous claiming that video games influence children. For instance, if Pac-Man affected kids born in the 80's we should by now have a bunch of teenagers who run around in darkened rooms and eat pills while listening to monotonous electronic music."
I agree that all versions of Civilization, including CTP 1, are too Americanized. However, I'd like to point out that the "Statue of Liberty" wonder from Civ2 was designed by Gustave Eiffel (Eiffel Tower) and built by the French people as a gift to the United States. Perhaps the game isn't as Americanized as we thought....
I have to admit that CTP seems too americanized although anglicized may be better. Between Britain and the U.S. they have the majority of wonders. I would like to see a return to all of the Wonders of the World in the ancient world. One does have to recognize that the designers are American and the modern wonders have had a large American influence.
I like the bullet train, UN, olympics, international space station, geneva convention, and sydney opera house as non-US wonders.
Instead of a wonder like contraception to add to happiness what about of a civil rights type wonder. Could apply to many countries where minority groups have experienced increased rights and improved treatment (U.S., South Africa, Australia, creation of Israel, etc.)
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