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**PDA-CIV** · April 9, 2002, 23:41

Special thanx to you Pedrunn !

**Eagle** · April 9, 2002, 23:54

Hm, true, sometimes things are going sooooo fast in here.

But then, sometimes, I keep coming back here over and over to see if somebody replied on my threads, but nothing happened.

Guess, I still have to find the right time when most of the people are online ...

But, if I have a look at where everybody is from, I must say it is quite a diversified group, from all over the world !

Is there a thread or something somewhere with a list of how many regulars are from which country ??

Just to have an overview of all the countries represented here ?

**Dale** · April 10, 2002, 06:04

Eagle:

I'm from Melbourne Australia.

Have been coming to Apolyton since about 1999, but didn't register till 2000. I've played Civ, Civ2, Smac, Smacx, Ctp, Ctp2 & Civ3 as well as many many other games. Ctp2 is the best in my mind.

**Eagle** · April 10, 2002, 06:23

Dale,

Then you should be online around the same time as me. I am from Belgium, but am living in Singapore.

Only recently discovered Apolyton, but been addicted to Civ type games since way before they were invented.

**Dale** · April 10, 2002, 07:02

Eagle:

You mean about now?

But I usually surf from work all day. I hate my job, actively looking for another job, work knows all this, so they let me surf.

I do a little bit of work for them.

**Eagle** · April 10, 2002, 07:38

Well, I am on holiday for the moment, so am behind my pc also all the time.

Euh, for those that find this strange, for my job I rarely touch a pc, so it's hobby for me.

I pity those that are still on dialup following everything here or dwnldn things. I would never be able to fall back to anything less than cable. Well, that is if I am not doing my email via portable and mobile at 9600bps ...

But that's only when I'm not home.

PS What field are you looking in for yr new job ?
Why not try yr luck in S'pore ?

**hexagonian** · April 10, 2002, 10:20

I live outside of Chicago, and am fortunate enough to have Internet access at work, so it is easy for me to come here during the day and check up on what is happening. And I have not been too busy at work lately, so I log on here a lot during the day.

The evenings/weekends, however, are a different story. I generally avoid going online during those times, unless I know something interesting is happening. And I have limited Internet access at home (10 free hours a month through NetZero, which is usually used up by my son anyhow).

Someday I'll break down and start paying for unlimited access...

Things are definitely more lively around here though.

**Martin Gühmann** · April 10, 2002, 11:19

Re:Too Fast

Originally posted by Pedrunn
Oh ! my god.
I cant follow CTP2 forum anymore. It is just becaming too fast. Too many posts at once. I dont participate in such a forum since i was a civ3 enthusiastic when there were just 2 civ3 forums (i know, a long time ago)
I cant be happier for such growth of my favorite game.
But i am going crazy!
I just post something and when i atualized several threads had go up again. Even the ones i just read.
I remind the time of crisis here at CTP2 when there were only about 10 people (Modders mostly) here and post were a rarity (only 2-3 a day).
Nostalgy?
No! It is much better now
Fast!
Fast!
Fast!
Brainstorm. Too much info. Everything is getting fuzzy. now black ......

Than you should have been here around Easter, there it wasn't so full here the same as last year but after Ester last year the forum was much emptier than before and now the other way around, the community has put a lot of work into this game and it becomes better and better, also thanks to the programmers of Activision the game is so customizable that it would be just a waste to not try to get the best out of CTP2.

-Martin

**Eagle** · April 10, 2002, 12:03

Well, maybe it was easily said of me about having cable. I have no idea how prizes compare in different countries.

In Belgium, or here in Singapore, you pay around S$55 a month to have unlimited cable access. There are other chepaer formulas available while still on cable or adsl, but then you are limited in time or GB's. Since I am playing internet radio most of the day, that wasn't an option for me.

**TheArsenal** · April 10, 2002, 13:45

Well, for all practical purposes, I live in Los Angeles, California.
I have internet access at work and at home, but use the work computer for the bulk of my surfing, purely because I have a dial up at home and its much, much faster at work. I check in here from time to time to see what's going on, although the past few days I've been going through some of the very old posts (a year, two years ago) because back then *everyone* was a newbie and there's lots of information/tips/strategy helpful to those who are relatively new to the game now .... that is if you have the patience to weed through tons of "Activision sucks!" and "the AI is stupid!" posts to find the helpful stuff. Man there was a *lot* of hate toward this game in those days, I'm so glad I found it after the ModMasters fixed it.

**Martin Gühmann** · April 10, 2002, 13:56

Originally posted by TheArsenal
Well, for all practical purposes, I live in Los Angeles, California.
I have internet access at work and at home, but use the work computer for the bulk of my surfing, purely because I have a dial up at home and its much, much faster at work. I check in here from time to time to see what's going on, although the past few days I've been going through some of the very old posts (a year, two years ago) because back then *everyone* was a newbie and there's lots of information/tips/strategy helpful to those who are relatively new to the game now .... that is if you have the patience to weed through tons of "Activision sucks!" and "the AI is stupid!" posts to find the helpful stuff. Man there was a *lot* of hate toward this game in those days, I'm so glad I found it after the ModMasters fixed it.

Sounds familiar just go to the Civ3 forum of the present, and you can replace the names of Civ3 and Firaxis by some others and you wouldn't notice a huge different. Unfortunatly there is no Civ4 on the horizon for all the hopes so it is better to be realistic.

-Martin

**Hermann the Lombard** · April 10, 2002, 15:05

Right now I'm balking at paying $50/month for cable modem access at home...but I have a fractional T-1 at the office for downloads (and, um, "daytime" visits to Apolyton).

**Peter Triggs** · April 10, 2002, 19:20

Originally posted by TheArsenal: .... that is if you have the patience to weed through tons of "Activision sucks!" and "the AI is stupid!" posts to find the helpful stuff. Man there was a *lot* of hate toward this game in those days

And look at it now:

Originally posted by Alexnm:
Yep, I have to agree on this. Poly CTP2 forums are one of the most civilized places I have ever seen. It is almost like travelling to Switzerland.

I don't think that 'hate' is necessarily the best word. There's plenty of immature people out there. When one of my sons was about 2 or 3, he got so mad at something that he grabbed a box of cornflakes, poured them on the floor, and started jumping up and down on them. As I recall, some of the flamers who were posting last year reminded me of this.

OTOH, if you've come across the Richard Myers' thread in the Creation Forum (he's the guy that did the AI for CTP2):

Richard: Thanks for the questions Wes! Some of that negative stuff on the boards does sting, but in general I take it all with a grain of salt. I know that people wouldn't be so upset if 1) they didn't like the game to some degree, otherwise they wouldn't care and 2) there wasn't some grain of truth to their complaint.

It's undeniable that the original game was too easy. (I have a theory about why it was - and it applys to why so many people are complaining about Civ3's AI - but that's for another thread.) I think that's probably the main reason why people like the Mods so much, they make the game more difficult.

Originally posted by TheArsenal: I'm so glad I found it after the ModMasters fixed it.

IMO, the Fat Lady hasn't sung yet.

**Immortal Wombat** · April 10, 2002, 19:26

Originally posted by Peter Triggs
IMO, the Fat Lady hasn't sung yet.

She's busy with Civ3.

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