Would you be willing to pay for the Medpack II ?

[WesW]

This is something I have thought about for a while now, and this would be as good of a time as any to talk about it.
Ctp2 sold at a suggested retail price of $60 American when it first came out. To be honest, it was probably not a very good value at that price given its initial settings. If you have bought the game for less than this amount, like the $40 chips-n-bits price, and you find that the Medpack II makes Ctp2 a game worth paying $60 for, would you be willing to send the difference to an account that would be divided up among the contributers to the mod? Or send whatever amount that you think the game deserves after its Medpack II alterations.
None of us who worked on the mod were doing it for money, and it will be distributed as freeware, but I wonder if people would be willing to send a gratuity as a way of expressing their thanks for a work which brings them a lot of enjoyment? (A gratuity is another name for the tip you leave the waiter at a restaurant.)
The Medpack II easily has over a thousand man-hours invested in it, most all of it from busy students and professionals. And I know that sometimes they would have rather been doing something else other than honoring their commitment to the mod.
If there is a lot of support for sending a gratuity, then I could get together with someone who knows about such transactions and work out a way of sending and distributing the funds. Right now I just want to get a feel for how people might respond to the idea.

[janilxx]

I think that MedpackII should always be free of charge but there should be a possibility to pay for modmakers. There could be text in Readme and in download page that if you like this mod please pay as much as you like to the Wes. And Wes would then give part of the money to the other modmakers.

I am a little bad person to comment this because I live in Finland and it would cost me ummm about 15-20$ to send money as cheque or change finnish marks(my currency) to dollars. So if I would like to pay you 20$ it would cost me about 30(35)-40 dollars. So it would be quite expensive to me Sorry modmakers.

I have made few years ago a program that costed a little(less than 10$) to the user and it gave me a great satisfaction when I got my first pay. Less than 10$ is not much(especially to the payer) but I saw that someone was willing to pay and it gave me "power" to continue developing my program and actually I did other program too. I just had very little audience. Maximum amount of possible users was about 100-120 so that program did not make me rich But I liked doing those programs!

So if you add text "Pay if you want" to the readmes and webpage it would not make me feel bad. It would be more than ok to me and I suppose to many others too.

Jani

[Solver]

Great Mod, but I'd then play CtP I, with its very-good AI, for me, or play SMAC. Or even better, some PBEM. But Wes, I hope you really never make something like this. Markos would be in schock then.

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[Fuzzball]

It wouldn't bother me if the site where I downloaded the mod from contained a big flashing banner or the like to the tune of "Help Wes Make CTPII Better And Donate!!" or "Want More Modpacks? Wes Needs Your Support!!" . Hook it up to a card friendly pay site with your own account...This would allow people the option of donating towards current and future creations...Apart from that, how would the $$ be distributed? You have used works by other editors here too I think...So if you were to start charging for your mods, or accepting donations, then they might start looking for their own recompense...
But it would discourage me if I had to give you a credit card number just to check out the mod. Also, $20 U.S. is about $40 Australian right now. Considering CTPII is goin for about $70 here at the moment.....I'd probably invest in some graphic add ons for my 3d object creators instead...and make the graphics better in the game for my own enjoyment.
Sorry dude. Love your work. But I'm just bein' honest here.

[faded glory]

Please Wes, dont get any idea's

[Immortal Wombat]

Firstly, I have to say that the MedPack II will be great, and be great because of all the work put into it, and I fully understand how long these things take in terms of man-hours.
However I don't think that after paying however much for a poor CTP2, people will be willing to pay more to make it right. I have to agree with Fuzzball, maybe banners could be put up, but to be honest, who'd pay? I wouldn't, despite a real appreciation of the labour. (Damn SLIC )
A gratuity might work, but its a lot of hassle, for such a small amount. Not that you aren't aware of it (I hope), but it does cut close to the bone of the Civ-Site Decency Act, which Apolyton is now a re-founder member of.

Finally, I believe that the MedPack II will be the mod, with everyone using their own versions of it, but if people see that mod-makers are getting money from their creations, they will be more reluctant to try the mods out, in case there is a paying obligation.
Sorry

Ben

[jadlakha]

Well HELL NO!!!!! All mods are designed for play for free. Lets face it, Med Mod only makes CTP2 play the way it should have(well only sorta anywyas). Med Pack isnt a full game and so I wouldnt pay a penny for it. It really isnt an expansion either. And personally the changes made dont seem all that significant to me(only a matter of opinion though). Unless Med Pack 2 was a complete OVERHAUL that TOTALLY changed the game I wouldnt pay for it. Now if you made your own Civ game based on the ideas from the med mods I would probably buy it if it is good.

[Rhuarc]

While I don't think you should charge for it, I think that if you were to ask for a contribution of say 10 dollars it would be ok. Make it clear that the contribution is not required though. I think there would be plenty of people (myself included) who would be willing to donate 10 dollars in appreciation for all the hard work the modmakers have done. But that's just my opinion, and there might be some politics involved that you might should think about as well.

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[faded glory]

quote: Originally posted by jadlakha on 05-08-2001 04:06 PM Well HELL NO!!!!! All mods are designed for play for free. Lets face it, Med Mod only makes CTP2 play the way it should have(well only sorta anywyas). Med Pack isnt a full game and so I wouldnt pay a penny for it. It really isnt an expansion either. And personally the changes made dont seem all that significant to me(only a matter of opinion though). Unless Med Pack 2 was a complete OVERHAUL that TOTALLY changed the game I wouldnt pay for it. Now if you made your own Civ game based on the ideas from the med mods I would probably buy it if it is good.

I would be willing to pay about 10.00 or maybe 20.00 for a COMPLETE OVERHAUL of CTP2. Make like a WesW-CTP3. But im talkin, 12 civ game capability, better AI,Better diplomacy, fix of certain units, and maybe different tech tree.


I would probably pay even more for a workable PBEM feature. I tryed the unoffical one so-far, all it did was crash and burn! CTP2 woulda been alright, had it had a PBEM feature

[Immortal Wombat]

...and how will the money be divided up? Wes probably put in more hours than anyone else, but Locutus and Gedrin should be given psychological compensation for their SLIC, as its been troublesome, whereas (no offense meant) some people's contributions though helpful and worthwhile, were not as large.

[Paul]

I think Fuzzball makes the best point. The MedPack2 is based on the MedPack1 which in turn is based on the Apolyton Pack which is based on CD's mod, and several other mods have also been included. I very much doubt that they'd all allow Wes to ask money for a mod based on their work.

[Dale]

I started helping Wes out with no thought of compensation. I just wanted to make the game better. Though, I must admit since I want to get into games programming, this is a good way to "get ya name out there". Basically, if I do a good mod (and I think the concensus is that Diplomod and the other mods I've done for Med Pack 2 are) then the gamers that use it get to know my name. In the future when I'm writing games, it is in my favour that these gamers remember that I wrote good mods for CTP2.

Anyways, personally I'm not in it for the money. Maybe make the mod Postcard-ware or something so the players can send the makers a postcard or something. *shrug*

Just my 2 cents.

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[WesW]

I don't know much about e-commerce, and I did not know about a civ decency act, so maybe this concept would not work anyway.
As I said in the initial post, the mod will be freeware, with contributions suggested, but not in any way required. I also said that any monies received would be divided up among the contributers, and not just go to myself. I was not expecting this to be a big money-maker, but I thought it would be nice if we collected enough for Wouter, Paul, Harlan and the others to get a nice meal or something for their work.
Their may be some problem if someone wants credit for an idea used in the mod, or if they want money for a single unit or something used in the mod. I had planned on sending Morgoth a portion of the proceeds since he made so many units for the mod.
As far as Ctp1 connections, I believe that the concepts I carried forward in the Medpack II were all my own things, and the game-balancing was started from scratch.
Thinking about it, we would have to take in several hundred dollars in order to make anyone's share other than my own worthwhile, so I will probably just let the idea go.
I do think that the difference between the original game and the Medpack will be comparable to an expansion pack for a regular game, ala Brood War or Conflicts in Civ (and I know it will play out better than Conflicts in Civ).

Oh well, at least I put something out which brought some life to the forum.
I visited the civ III forum yesterday for the first time in months, and that place looks like the OT.

[XMon]

Good idea letting the idea go I think. My guess is you'd get a call or a letter from an Activision attorney. Go back and read the terms of agreement for the Program Utilities. In fact, I'd email MarkG and ask him to delete this entire thread (but then again maybe I'm just paranoid)!

[janilxx]

quote: Originally posted by XMon on 05-08-2001 07:39 PM In fact, I'd email MarkG and ask him to delete this entire thread

Yeah right! Go for it!!!

If I am right this was almost the most active thread(after medpack & suggession game) and you want to delete this. Good idea. Lets then find out some reasons to delete other threads too and lets be silent. This forum would look nicer if here would not be any posts

Jani