17th Turn Chat (From Turn 127 in the year 1460BC)

[Martin Gühmann]

Transscript of 17th Turn Chat turn 128 Part 2

[21:27] <MartinGuehmann> Next unit is Ösibuster.
[21:27] <Pedrunn> what does this word mean?
[21:27] <MartinGuehmann> He should go in direction of the ruins.
[21:27] <Gilg>
[21:28] <MartinGuehmann> &Oumlereicher == Austrians
[21:28] <Pedrunn>
[21:28] <MartinGuehmann> So my suggestion for him is SW or S.
[21:28] <Gilg> We named it Oesibuster because we killed an Austrian settler
[21:28] <Locutus> yeah, to the ruins ASAP
[21:29] <Pedrunn> IMy is W, S
[21:29] <Gilg> S?
[21:29] <Pedrunn> we still get t see the unexplored area
[21:29] <MartinGuehmann> We can also go W and then S S
[21:29] <MartinGuehmann> Yeah that is a good idea Pedrunn.
[21:29] <Locutus> sounds good (WSS)
[21:30] <MartinGuehmann> So I am doing it.
[21:30] <Gilg> ok
[21:30] <MartinGuehmann> Ösibuster moved one West.
[21:30] <Pedrunn> Not much too see. More hill and forest
[21:30] <MartinGuehmann> OK now we have new defenders in Graz.
[21:31] <MartinGuehmann> Group them?
[21:31] <Locutus> 8 units there, right?
[21:31] <MartinGuehmann> Yes
[21:31] <Pedrunn> I say keep then there this turn
[21:31] <Gilg> Yes
[21:31] <Locutus> this turn they should stay
[21:31] <Locutus> next turn hopefully they can move
[21:31] <Gilg> We need an entertainer in H Town !!!!
[21:32] <MartinGuehmann> They are grouped, no more units to move.
[21:32] <Gilg> We need an entertainer in H Town !!!!
[21:32] <Pedrunn> True
[21:32] <MartinGuehmann> One entertainer added to H Town.
[21:33] <Pedrunn> So end turn?
[21:33] <MartinGuehmann> So what is our next research goal?
[21:33] <MartinGuehmann> Should we continue researching slave labor?
[21:33] <Gilg> Yes, we could speed up production
[21:33] <Pedrunn> Thats for Loc
[21:33] <Locutus> uhm, good question. I didn't poll because I thought I wasn't MoDST anymore... but I am...
[21:33] <Gilg> at least till tomorrow
[21:33] <Locutus> slave labour sounds good
[21:34] <MartinGuehmann> OK any objections?
[21:34] <Locutus> I'll resign after this chat
[21:34] <Gilg> no way !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[21:34] <Gilg> Let's leave PW at 10% ???????
[21:34] <MartinGuehmann> And who will be MoDST until the end of the election?
[21:34] <Pedrunn> Slave labour sound good.
[21:34] <MartinGuehmann> Yeah leave PW at 10% now.
[21:35] <Locutus> martin: noone. it's less than 24h, during which I'll be absent anyway
[21:35] <Locutus> (sleeping+uni)
[21:35] <Gilg> You want to sleep, no way.........
[21:36] <MartinGuehmann> Well you have a delegate.
[21:36] <Gilg> For the MoDSaT, it would need to be a willing citizen, as the person resigning is not willing to run anymore in his office
[21:36] <Pedrunn> The Senior Justice can find a eplacement (I hope)
[21:36] <Locutus> I'm willing nor able (i.e. allowed to)
[21:36] <Gilg> But the Senior justice anounced he might not be around
[21:37] <Pedrunn> That a scary picture
[21:37] <Locutus> well, I could be wrong but I don't think the Con says all 3 judges have to agree - 1 could suffice
[21:37] <Gilg> We always knew you fiddled with the elections, you now even announced it
[21:37] <Locutus> I did?
[21:37] <Gilg> Which judge? H Tower is on Holiday, Mapfi not sure if he is back and Frozzy is off sick.......
[21:38] <Gilg> I'm willing nor able .............
[21:38] <Locutus> hmmm, that could be a problem...
[21:38] <MartinGuehmann> Have we something for that case in the conny?
[21:38] <Gilg> No, we don't............
[21:38] <Locutus> oh well, we'll just have to a wait a little while longer until we can have a turn chat again...
[21:38] <MartinGuehmann> Well we could do a resolution then.
[21:38] <Pedrunn> Dont think so
[21:39] <Gilg> Only an amendment would help
[21:39] <Pedrunn> I rather play the game chat.
[21:39] <MartinGuehmann> Yes, resolutions have to be recorded by the court.
[21:39] <Pedrunn> Some unnoficial/resolution polls would do the trick.
[21:39] <MartinGuehmann> Well Locutus you could appoint a delegate.
[21:40] <Locutus> no I can't. that way I would still be the holder of the office...
[21:40] <Gilg> Again it needs to be confirmed by the court.........
[21:40] <Locutus> I'll PM the Court members requesting them to appoint a temp ASAP
[21:41] <Pedrunn> Continue in the MoDST function Loc. And let the Pres be the delegate to join together the discussion on the diplomacy issue
[21:42] <Pedrunn> Just to have someone in position for now
[21:42] <Locutus> ped: the con doesn't allow it...
[21:42] <Gilg> Actually, As Mapfi's case hasn't been ruled apon, do both jobs
[21:42] <Pedrunn> Where
[21:43] <Pedrunn> I say continue in your position but dont do nothing
[21:43] <Pedrunn> Since you cant
[21:44] <Pedrunn> The Pres can decide the diplomacy in the chats if he is the delegate
[21:44] <Pedrunn> And i or other people could start some unnofifical polls
[21:45] <Locutus> ped: No citizen may be a candidate for an elected office if such candidacy might cause this citizen to be in more than one elected office simultaneously.
[21:45] <Locutus> this implies it's not allowed to hold two offices
[21:45] <Gilg> BUT: Pres is not an office
[21:45] <Locutus> it is
[21:45] <Gilg> Where?
[21:45] <Pedrunn> I see
[21:46] <Pedrunn> Gilg can you pretend to be the MoDST
[21:46] <Locutus> gilg: The members of the Executive Branch are called ministers and the positions in the Exective Branch are called ministerial offices or executive offices
[21:46] <Gilg> I can try at least
[21:46] <Locutus> prez is an EB position
[21:46] <Pedrunn> Didnt like this rule
[21:47] <Gilg> wait, not really
[21:47] <Pedrunn> and still is interpretation of the CON
[21:47] <Locutus> I do. 1 person holding several offices is very undemocratic and asking for trouble
[21:47] <Gilg> First, the pres has the title Pres and not minister of Pres, so.........
[21:47] <Pedrunn> Just a question of name
[21:47] <Pedrunn> The President still is a office
[21:48] <Pedrunn> We could call it Prime Minister if you like
[21:48] <Gilg> But we could use this to continue the game till election finished.........
[21:48] <Locutus> ped: yes, and the Court should do that, until then, I'm not gonna risk being impeached
[21:48] <Gilg> impeached out of the MoDSaT?
[21:48] <Locutus> or pres
[21:48] <Locutus> either way, it may be illegal, so until the court decides otherwise I regard it illegal (and I think it should be as well)
[21:48] <Gilg> From the connie, it would be a grey area, so in the best interrest of the game we should do so...............
[21:49] <Pedrunn> Lets move on. Leave the resignation for tomorrow
[21:49] <Gilg>
[21:49] <Locutus> indeed, let's move on
[21:49] <Pedrunn> Nobody will want to impeach you anyway
[21:49] <MartinGuehmann> Yeah leave it for tomorrow.
[21:49] <Pedrunn> So end turn
[21:49] <Gilg> Diplo????????
[21:49] <Pedrunn>
[21:49] <MartinGuehmann> Yeah Diplo?
[21:49] <Pedrunn> give gold to someone?
[21:49] <Locutus> ped: I don't care. It should IMHO be illegal to hold two offices, so I'm not gonna do something that's against my own principles
[21:50] <MartinGuehmann> So Diplo?
[21:50] <Locutus> what kind of diplo? I can't think of anythin...
[21:50] <MartinGuehmann> So end Turn?
[21:50] <Gilg> OK
[21:50] <Locutus> either we already have treaties or they hate us anyway
[21:50] <Pedrunn> lets try a peace with someone?
[21:51] <MartinGuehmann> I think this doesn't work without giving money.
[21:51] <Pedrunn> oh! I meant pacts
[21:51] <MartinGuehmann> a trade pact
[21:51] <Pedrunn> Lets end turn then
[21:51] <Locutus> not much use without trade...
[21:51] <Gilg>
[21:51] <MartinGuehmann> Yeah end Turn?
[21:51] <Locutus> end turn
[21:51] <Gilg> k
[21:51] <MartinGuehmann> END OF TURN 128

[Martin Gühmann]

Transscript of 17th Turn Chat Turn 129

[21:52] <Pedrunn> Expel every settler!!!
[21:52] <MartinGuehmann> Well and again an Austrian suicide mission
[21:53] <Locutus> yeah, expell settlers
[21:53] <Locutus> what suicide mission?
[21:53] <MartinGuehmann> I post a screenie.
[21:53] <Pedrunn> They look like CTP2 modders, they are everwhere!!!
[21:53] <Gilg> I just had a SLIC-error
[21:53] <Gilg> index out of bound.............
[21:54] <Pedrunn> you shouldnt ply with debuggslic on
[21:54] <Pedrunn> Yet in what file?
[21:54] <MartinGuehmann> I did not had a slic error and I am playing with DebugSlic=Yes
[21:54] <MartinGuehmann> Probably diplomod
[21:54] <Gilg> GM1_diplomod,slc
[21:54] <Locutus> gilg: set debugslic=no in userprofile.txt
[21:54] <MartinGuehmann> You have to set numplayers on 13
[21:55] <Gilg> *slaps himself on the forhead*
[21:55] <Gilg> new save game?
[21:55] <Locutus> surely you can still play on?
[21:55] <Locutus> or did your game crash altogether?
[21:56] <Gilg> it didn't crash yet...........
[21:56] <Gilg> just a lot of errors.........
[21:56] <MartinGuehmann> No it just a bunch of slic errors.
[21:56] <MartinGuehmann> I had them also in my first turn chat. And setting NumPlayer=13 will help once you realoaded slic again.
[21:56] <Locutus> then save and exit the game (when you're done ), update userprofile.txt and reload the savegame
[21:57] <MartinGuehmann> Oh and the screenie is online.
[21:57] <Locutus> what martin says might be easier (if it indeed works)
[21:57] <MartinGuehmann> Pedrunn you started the game with NumPlayers on 13?
[21:58] <Gilg> it finished with the error-messages, so I'll do as Martin says
[21:58] <Pedrunn> No i think it was 12
[21:59] <Pedrunn> think = pretty sure
[21:59] <Gilg> sure?
[21:59] <MartinGuehmann> Well in that case it will work, too.
[22:00] <MartinGuehmann> If 12 does not work it was 13.
[22:00] <Gilg> but 13 or 12?
[22:00] <MartinGuehmann> I have 13
[22:00] <Gilg> OK, you are the master
[22:00] <Pedrunn>
[22:01] <MartinGuehmann> Well we have 12 civilisations in the game + the Brabs makes 13
[22:01] <Pedrunn> I thought i made what the poll at the start said
[22:01] <Gilg> done
[22:01] <MartinGuehmann> IIRC it were 12 civs.
[22:01] <MartinGuehmann> Not 12 players.
[22:01] <Gilg> whate
[22:01] <Pedrunn> Maybe that what i thaught in the starting of the game and that where i made a mistake
[22:02] <Gilg> whatever, i shouldn't get the error anymore
[22:02] <Pedrunn> But i am sure i did what the poll said
[22:02] <Pedrunn> Just dont know if i did rigt
[22:02] <MartinGuehmann> I am shure it said 12 civs, so we have 12 civs in the game.
[22:03] <MartinGuehmann> OK let's continue.
[22:03] <Gilg> yes, 12 civs
[22:03] <Gilg> OK
[22:03] <Gilg> Expell all english settlers
[22:04] <Gilg> Don't forget the German one
[22:04] <Pedrunn> And move Bait SW
[22:04] <MartinGuehmann> The English settler is expelled.
[22:04] <MartinGuehmann> The wounded hopelite expelled the German settler near Graz
[22:05] <Gilg> good
[22:05] <MartinGuehmann> Bait was moved SW.
[22:05] <Gilg> Do you have a German settler near Pedrunnia?
[22:05] <Pedrunn> ORDER: 2 wounded hops SE.
[22:05] <MartinGuehmann> We have new Defenders now in Wels, group them?
[22:06] <Pedrunn> I say yes but we could use some help at the south
[22:06] <Gilg> Yes, why not a stronghold in th enorth
[22:06] <MartinGuehmann> The German settler near Pedrunnia moved North.
[22:06] <Pedrunn> Wha you guys think
[22:07] <Gilg> We need the units in case Germany attacks........
[22:07] <MartinGuehmann> I grouped the new defender in Wels.
[22:07] <Pedrunn> I thaught that too
[22:07] <Pedrunn> So group it
[22:07] <MartinGuehmann> Done.
[22:07] <Gilg> Next ?
[22:07] <Pedrunn> Did you moved the two wounded hops
[22:07] <Pedrunn> ???
[22:08] <MartinGuehmann> They will be moved automaticly, a path to Pressburg was set two tuens ago.
[22:08] <Pedrunn> ORDER: Troppau takers SW.
[22:08] <MartinGuehmann> tuens -> turns
[22:08] <MartinGuehmann> Done
[22:09] <Pedrunn> ORDER: Ösibuster S.
[22:09] <Gilg> What about the German 12 stack? It disappeared from my map, completly........
[22:10] <MartinGuehmann> Done that revealed an Ösian Samurai
[22:10] <Gilg> Do you see a single Austrian Samurai close to Pilsen?
[22:10] <MartinGuehmann> Yes.
[22:10] <Pedrunn> i dont
[22:10] <MartinGuehmann> New defender is Pressburg ready, group them?
[22:10] <Pedrunn> Oh yeah i do
[22:11] <Gilg> Yes
[22:11] <Pedrunn> You mean afer move Osibuster, right?
[22:11] <Gilg> Yes
[22:11] <Pedrunn> yes, group the defenserd
[22:11] <Gilg> Pedrunn, Yes, next to Pilsen it was unvealed
[22:12] <Pedrunn> Samurai NE?
[22:12] <MartinGuehmann> OK grouped the new defenders in Pressburg, next units are the defence of H Town, they should return to H Town.
[22:12] <Gilg> Yes :doitnow:
[22:12] <Gilg> Actually they should have never gotten there in the first place
[22:13] <MartinGuehmann> Yes, and the units which are now in H Town should take there place.
[22:13] <Pedrunn> what you are talking about it?
[22:13] <Gilg> Excactly
[22:13] <MartinGuehmann> Fixed the mistake.
[22:13] <Gilg> Never mind Pedrunn, some minor mistake in the excecutive part of the Pres
[22:14] <Pedrunn> It wansnt in the save Martin?
[22:14] <Gilg> Or in other words: His hand was quicker than his eyes
[22:14] <Pedrunn> I guess not lets move on
[22:14] <Pedrunn> ORDER: Size-3 stack near Graz SW, S
[22:14] <Gilg> NO, Pedrunn, that are H Town's defenders...............
[22:14] <Pedrunn> oh
[22:15] <Gilg> That's what it is about
[22:15] <Pedrunn> oh
[22:15] <Locutus> back
[22:15] <Locutus>
[22:15] <Gilg> He moved the defenders of H Town instead the hoplites
[22:15] <MartinGuehmann> OK, next move is the lonly Archer on the river from Pedrunnia to CL
[22:15] <Pedrunn> Why to send them back?
[22:15] <Pedrunn> then...
[22:15] <MartinGuehmann> Should the Archer follow the German settler?
[22:15] <Gilg> Yes
[22:15] <Locutus> martin: yes
[22:16] <Gilg> Pedrunn, We only had 2 HP in H Town, no good.........
[22:16] <Locutus> pedrunn: because we want to attack Wien with 2 12-stacks with the best units possible
[22:16] <Locutus> we need 2H for that, not 1H 2A
[22:16] <Pedrunn> This means a delay in the plan then
[22:16] <Gilg> 1turn
[22:16] <Pedrunn> Ok they had to wait anyway
[22:16] <MartinGuehmann> No the Tropau takers need much more turns.
[22:16] <Locutus> not really, the units from Troppau are still pretty far away
[22:17] <MartinGuehmann> OK the Archer near Pedrunnia, Pedrunn?
[22:17] <Pedrunn> So martin make the right move them and send the hop to that stack position
[22:17] <Pedrunn> yes send the archer
[22:17] <Gilg> let's hope
[22:17] <Gilg> archer?
[22:17] <Pedrunn> in Pedrunnia
[22:18] <Gilg> k
[22:18] <Pedrunn> N
[22:18] <MartinGuehmann> I moved the archer North.
[22:18] <Gilg> I'll be gon for smoking break (again)
[22:18] <MartinGuehmann> Next unit is our first Samurai.
[22:18] <Pedrunn> NE?
[22:19] <Pedrunn> or W?
[22:19] <Locutus> N - stay out of the LOS of Neustadt
[22:19] <MartinGuehmann> Not into the city radius of Wiener Neustadt
[22:19] <MartinGuehmann> So Nort and then NortWest
[22:19] <Pedrunn> oh. Two moves.
[22:19] <Locutus> but still back to Wien/Linz, so we can use it for attack/defense
[22:19] <MartinGuehmann> The Samurai should meet with Ösibuster
[22:20] <Pedrunn> yes N, NW
[22:20] <Locutus> not N NE?
[22:20] <Pedrunn> NE
[22:20] <Pedrunn> sorry
[22:20] <Pedrunn> my mistake
[22:20] <MartinGuehmann> Done, next units are the new defenders in CL, group defenders?
[22:21] <Pedrunn> yes
[22:21] <Pedrunn> do it
[22:21] <MartinGuehmann> Done, next unit is Goodsight
[22:22] <MartinGuehmann> I think it is SW this turn
[22:22] <Pedrunn> SW i say. But anywhere is a good place
[22:22] <Locutus> sounds good
[22:22] <Pedrunn> so move it SW
[22:22] <Pedrunn> more swamps
[22:22] <MartinGuehmann> Done, next units rae the 10 units East of Graz.
[22:23] <MartinGuehmann> Unfortunatly Wien isn't undefended anymore.
[22:23] <MartinGuehmann> OK what should I do with the 10 units?
[22:24] <Pedrunn> Send them NW, W!
[22:24] <Locutus> send 2H 1A towards the 7-stack
[22:24] <Pedrunn> everyone agrees?
[22:24] <Locutus> send 1A to Graz, the other units plus 6 units from graz should merge
[22:25] <Locutus> merge SW of graz
[22:25] <Gilg> I am back
[22:25] <Pedrunn> They moved the size-3 stack back to H Town
[22:26] <Locutus> who did who?
[22:26] <Locutus> who did what?
[22:26] <Gilg> The defenders back into town
[22:27] <Pedrunn> What 2H and 1A you were talking about?
[22:27] <Locutus> yes, we moved them back some time ago already. how is that relevant?
[22:27] <Locutus> from the units in/around Graz.
[22:27] <Gilg> I know.....
[22:27] <MartinGuehmann> OK, the goal is to form a size 12 stack SW of Graz?
[22:27] <Locutus> they should reinforce the 7-stack, to make it a 10-stack
[22:27] <Locutus> 12-stack I mean
[22:28] <Locutus> martin: that would be my plan
[22:28] <Gilg> OK Pedrunn, FYI: The 3 stack which was west of H Town were the defenders, the 3 stack now talking about is in the 10-stack
[22:28] <Locutus> and one somewhere north of Wien
[22:28] <MartinGuehmann> And the rest should stay in Graz?
[22:28] <Locutus> yeah, should be 3 or 4 units left in Graz
[22:29] <Locutus> after all is said and done...
[22:29] <MartinGuehmann> In that case I move the 10 units SW of Graz and take another 2 from Graz.
[22:29] <Pedrunn> oh i see
[22:29] <Locutus> that's another option...
[22:29] <Locutus> and take the necessary units from graz to send to the 7-stack
[22:29] <MartinGuehmann> Well that would leave 6 units in Graz.
[22:30] <Gilg> What about the hebrew-stack?
[22:30] <MartinGuehmann> OK I form the size 12 stack SW of Graz first.
[22:30] <MartinGuehmann> The Hebrew stack disappeared.
[22:30] <MartinGuehmann> Forming the size 12 stack
[22:30] <Locutus> hmm, you're right. must be all the extra units we built...
[22:31] <Gilg> When we are finished with the turn a save-game?
[22:31] <Locutus> no wait. you need 3 units for the 7-stack so that leaves 3 units in graz
[22:31] <MartinGuehmann> OK, size 12 stack SW of Graz formed.
[22:31] <Pedrunn> k
[22:32] <MartinGuehmann> Yeah and the wounded unit outside of Graz makes it 4.
[22:32] <Locutus> indeed. good, now take 1A 2H and send them towards the 7-stack.
[22:32] <Locutus> I would say go W for now
[22:33] <MartinGuehmann> Yeah that has to be rethought every turn.
[22:33] <Gilg> sounds good
[22:33] <Locutus> and make sure you move the right stack this time
[22:34] <MartinGuehmann> OK West
[22:34] <MartinGuehmann> OK moved.
[22:35] <MartinGuehmann> Defenders in H Town fortified.
[22:35] <Pedrunn> Can you post a screenshot?
[22:35] <Pedrunn> I am a bit lost here
[22:36] <MartinGuehmann> We have a Barbrian catapult East of Maquidad.
[22:36] <Locutus> wait a minute: 1 of the units in the 7-stack is still slightly damaged. we can take another unit from graz to replace him...
[22:36] <MartinGuehmann> From the region around Graz?
[22:36] <MartinGuehmann> Yes we can.
[22:37] <Locutus> let's do that (merge them with the 3-stack) and then post a screenie for pedrunn
[22:37] <Locutus> them = it
[22:38] <MartinGuehmann> OK I am adding a hopelite.
[22:38] <Pedrunn> No need anymore
[22:38] <Pedrunn> I have to go
[22:39] <MartinGuehmann> Added the hopelite.
[22:39] <MartinGuehmann> Bye Pedrunn
[22:39] <Pedrunn> I will have to leave in 20 mins and i still have to take a shower
[22:39] <Locutus> CU...
[22:39] <Gilg> see you
[22:39] <Pedrunn> So seeya all and i wish good lucky
[22:39] * Pedrunn has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)
[22:39] <MartinGuehmann> OK, we still have a Barbarian Catapult East of Maquidad.
[22:40] <Gilg> Take care of it
[22:40] <Locutus> this allows us to use the damaged hoplite as a suicide unit if needed...
[22:40] <Locutus> destroy it
[22:40] <Locutus> 1H 1A
[22:41] <Gilg> sure enough? Not 1H 2A?
[22:41] <MartinGuehmann> Well I took everything that was in Maquidad.
[22:41] <MartinGuehmann> 2H 1A
[22:41] <Gilg> OK, and?
[22:41] <Locutus> we only have 3 units there. plus, it's more than enough...
[22:41] <MartinGuehmann> We lost one Hopelite
[22:41] <Gilg> What????????????/
[22:42] <MartinGuehmann> I rush build the ARcher in Maquidad, and added an entertainer.
[22:42] <Locutus> to be expected...
[22:42] <Gilg> I my game I didn't loose anything............
[22:42] <Locutus> rush a hoplite instead...
[22:42] <Gilg> 2nd Locutus
[22:43] <MartinGuehmann> Not possible anymore.
[22:43] <Gilg> *grrrrrrrrrrrr*
[22:43] <MartinGuehmann> I think it is time to raise our PW reserve.
[22:44] <MartinGuehmann> So two turns 80%?
[22:44] <Gilg> Do we have enough units?
[22:44] <MartinGuehmann> 12 units in both cities MP and CL
[22:44] <Gilg> Locutus?
[22:45] <Gilg> Which should be enough...... at least for those 1/2 rounds
[22:45] <Locutus> well, we could use another Hoplite in Maq - other than that we're okay...
[22:45] <Locutus> but we can RB that one...
[22:45] <Gilg> exactly
[22:45] <MartinGuehmann> So PW is set on 80%.
[22:45] <Gilg> Anymore units?
[22:45] <Gilg> savegame?
[22:45] <MartinGuehmann> No units left.
[22:46] <MartinGuehmann> We only played 1 turn since the last save.
[22:46] <Gilg> Did some mistakes, that's why
[22:46] <MartinGuehmann> OK anything else?
[22:47] <Locutus> don't think so
[22:47] <MartinGuehmann> END OF TURN 129

[Martin Gühmann]

Transscript of 17th Turn Chat Turn 130

[22:48] <Locutus> hmm... I didn't move bait yet...
[22:49] <MartinGuehmann> Well we forgot Graz the city is now rioting.
[22:49] <Locutus> where is bait for you martin?
[22:49] <Gilg> Just another error: In Object DIP_EstEmb, function_Random: Value out of bounds...........
[22:50] <MartinGuehmann> North of the Bear
[22:50] <MartinGuehmann> No error in my game.
[22:50] <MartinGuehmann> So what is the current value for NumPlayers in your game, Gilg?
[22:50] <Locutus> thx
[22:50] <Gilg> 13
[22:51] <MartinGuehmann> That is odd, did you reload CTP2 and did you reload slic?
[22:51] <Locutus> I think it would be best to just save and reload the game. and to be on the save side, set debugslic to No...
[22:51] <Gilg> I just did reloadslic, not reloaded the game.........
[22:51] <Locutus> (and exit the game)
[22:51] <Gilg> debug is no
[22:52] <Gilg> The other errors disappeared.....
[22:52] <Locutus> it has little effect unless you reload the game
[22:52] <MartinGuehmann> Yeah you have to reload the game, at least that was I did.
[22:52] <Gilg> OK, never mind, Martin can you e-mail me the savegame?
[22:53] <MartinGuehmann> Well I only post it.
[22:54] <Gilg> OK, whatever
[22:55] <Gilg> Did you do it?
[22:55] <MartinGuehmann> Savegame is posted.
[22:56] <Gilg> Thank you
[22:57] <MartinGuehmann> OK if I did not mentioned it I moved the Barbarian killers back to Maquidad.
[22:57] <MartinGuehmann> Next thing we should do is to remove the entertainer in Maquidad.
[22:58] <Locutus> k
[22:58] <MartinGuehmann> The next is to epell the German settler near Pedrunnia.
[22:59] <Gilg> k
[22:59] <MartinGuehmann> You got that with Entertainer, Gilg?
[23:00] <Gilg> yep
[23:00] <MartinGuehmann> epell -> expell
[23:00] <Gilg> What shall we do with the German 12 stack?
[23:01] <MartinGuehmann> Nothing.
[23:01] <Locutus> k. and move the archer back to P and RB the unit there. in case the germans come any closer...
[23:02] <MartinGuehmann> Settler expelled, archer moved towards Pedrunnia, and rushbought a Hopelite in Pedrunnia.
[23:02] <Gilg> Moving it back, OK, but already RB?
[23:02] <Gilg> whatever.........
[23:02] <MartinGuehmann> It is already rushbought.
[23:03] <Gilg> that's why I said, whatever.........
[23:03] <Gilg> next one?
[23:03] <Locutus> we have a crapload of gold and nothing else to spend it on - why not?
[23:03] <Gilg> I like to RB buildings as they always take ages.........
[23:04] <Locutus> we're not building many buildings... plus, they're cheaper (cost per production point anyway)
[23:04] <MartinGuehmann> Next unit is Ösibuster, into the ruins?
[23:04] <Locutus> yup
[23:04] <Gilg> Yes ...........
[23:05] <MartinGuehmann> We got 466 gold.
[23:05] <Gilg> Money for me.........
[23:05] <Locutus> dammit, forgot to reloadslic
[23:05] <Gilg> Same sum....
[23:05] <Gilg> How are those numbers created?
[23:05] <Locutus> we already paid back the RB cost
[23:05] <Gilg>
[23:05] <Locutus> randomly
[23:05] <Gilg> But Martin and me had the same amount.........
[23:06] <Locutus> at the start of the game
[23:06] <Gilg> ahhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!
[23:06] <Gilg> Samurai Ne, NE?
[23:06] <MartinGuehmann> Yeah, otherwise you could use the reload game bug from civ, reload as long until you got what you want.
[23:07] <Locutus> agree
[23:07] <MartinGuehmann> If we move through the city radius we could reveal two tiles.
[23:08] <Gilg> You mean E, N?
[23:08] <Locutus> but we could unleash a chase...
[23:08] <Gilg> Let's move NE, NE.
[23:08] <Locutus> I vote NE-NE
[23:09] <MartinGuehmann> Well we could move NE and E that wuld reveal at least one tile.
[23:09] <Gilg> But then we would be within striking distance
[23:09] <MartinGuehmann> I don't think they have a Samurai only stack in the city.
[23:10] <Locutus> NE-E is fine too
[23:10] <Gilg> OK
[23:10] <Locutus> they can't see us then
[23:10] <MartinGuehmann> Yeah so I am doing it.
[23:11] <Locutus> oops...
[23:11] <Gilg> Great, a Samurai was revealed............
[23:11] <Gilg> Who suggested here this?????????/
[23:11] <MartinGuehmann> Bat idea.
[23:11] <Gilg> So, we might not longer have our nice Samurai *whine*
[23:11] <Locutus> hmmm, I know batman, batwoman, batcave, batmobile and batphone, but I never heard of batidea
[23:12] <MartinGuehmann> Well we would have been in striking disstance and the Samurai is sligtly damaged.
[23:12] <Gilg>
[23:12] <MartinGuehmann> Bat -> Bad
[23:12] <MartinGuehmann> So we see next turn.
[23:12] <Locutus> indeed. let's move on
[23:13] <Gilg> Quick question: Where to turn the enemy healthbar on again?
[23:13] <MartinGuehmann> The next units to move are the Tropau takers.
[23:13] <Locutus> I can't stay much longer... 30-50 mins at most
[23:13] <Gilg> You brought us into this mess, so you'll have to say with us
[23:14] <Locutus> hey I wanted to go NE-NE...
[23:14] <Gilg> But you changed first your mind
[23:14] <Gilg> Martin, the Tropau takers: SW?
[23:15] <Locutus> right...
[23:15] <MartinGuehmann> Yup they should go SW.
[23:15] <MartinGuehmann> So doing it.
[23:15] <Gilg> Somebody needs to be blamed
[23:15] <Gilg> Bait: W?
[23:15] <MartinGuehmann> Noone needs to be blamed.
[23:15] <MartinGuehmann> For Bait I go for SW.
[23:16] <Gilg> Locutus?
[23:16] <Locutus> indeed. and if that *was* the case, it would be martin
[23:16] <Locutus> agree
[23:16] <Gilg> let's hack on him...........
[23:16] <Gilg> OK SW
[23:16] <MartinGuehmann> I prefer to enter German territory, rather Celtic.
[23:17] <MartinGuehmann> OK moving it SW.
[23:17] <Locutus> agreed, marting
[23:18] <MartinGuehmann> Next is Goodsight, last turn he went SW, so this turn it should be NW.
[23:18] <Gilg> Can we make Martin liable if we loose our Samurai?
[23:18] <Gilg> yes
[23:18] <Locutus> gilg: no, the MoD is responsible, so you can impeach Pedrunn if you want
[23:18] <MartinGuehmann> Done
[23:19] <Gilg> Yes, you are right.......damned.........So we even can't feather Martin for it........
[23:19] <Locutus> well, feathering pedrunn is just as fun
[23:19] <Gilg> Ok, persuaded, but he run away before....I think he knows why..........
[23:20] <Gilg> The 2 hoplites north of Graz?
[23:20] <MartinGuehmann> OK, next units are the ones from H Town, for replacement of the wounded hopelites of the Tropau takers.
[23:20] <Gilg> Shall we move them SW,SW along the river?
[23:20] <Locutus> yup, and the 4-stack from Graz N and then merge them...
[23:21] <MartinGuehmann> OK doing it.
[23:21] <Gilg> Wouldn't work that would make 13 units for the takers...........
[23:21] <Gilg> 7 + 4 + 2
[23:21] <Locutus> yes, but 1 is damaged
[23:21] <MartinGuehmann> The indention was to replace the sligtly damaged one in that stack.
[23:21] <Locutus> he can be a suicide unit if needed
[23:22] <Gilg> OK
[23:22] <MartinGuehmann> OK merged the two stacks as discribed by Locutus.
[23:23] <MartinGuehmann> I grouped the wounded hopelite in Graz into the defenders.
[23:24] <Gilg> OK
[23:24] <Locutus> k
[23:24] <MartinGuehmann> The size 12 stack is left, should we move them with the Hebrews South of it.
[23:24] <Gilg> Sounds good, we would be on hill
[23:24] <Locutus> no
[23:25] <Gilg> Why no Locutus?
[23:25] <Locutus> how? the only option is west, which leaves Graz open for attack
[23:25] <Gilg> No, if we move NW and then S......
[23:25] <Gilg> it is 1 move, river
[23:26] <Locutus> good point. sounds good
[23:26] <Gilg> Martin?
[23:26] <MartinGuehmann> Good idea.
[23:26] <MartinGuehmann> So I am doing it.
[23:26] <Gilg> Quick question, how to enable the healthbar again?
[23:26] <Gilg> OK
[23:26] <Gilg> Babarian pikemen?????????
[23:27] <Locutus> that's cheating in my book...
[23:27] <Locutus> yup
[23:27] <MartinGuehmann> Done and this revealed a Barbarian Pikeman.
[23:27] <Gilg> What do you mean? cheating? That's a normal option......
[23:28] <Locutus> I still think it's cheating. the AI is easy enough to beat already...
[23:28] <Gilg> Always used it, plus it only helps for single units (mainly).........
[23:28] <Gilg> One more thing: You recognised that Graz is having minus income!!!!!
[23:29] <Locutus> I don't like it and don't use it. but it's in advanced options somewhere...
[23:29] <Gilg> Forget about Graz, it's rioting........
[23:30] <Gilg> Yes, found it, just forgotten it is more than one page..........
[23:30] <Gilg> Next round we can build mines !!!!!!!!!
[23:31] <MartinGuehmann> OK let's continue the size 12 stack is moved.
[23:32] <MartinGuehmann> End turn?
[23:32] <Gilg> I thiknk we could remove an entertainer in H Town, 73 should be OK, or?
[23:32] <Gilg> thiknk=think
[23:33] <MartinGuehmann> Without the entertainer the happiness is 72 one too less to be sure.
[23:33] <Gilg> For me it is showing 73???????
[23:33] <Gilg> 75 with 2 entertainers...What for you Martin?
[23:34] <MartinGuehmann> You are right, I was in Graz, so I removed it.
[23:34] <MartinGuehmann> So end turn?
[23:34] <Locutus> guess so
[23:34] <Gilg> OK
[23:34] <MartinGuehmann> END OF TURN 130

[Martin Gühmann]

Transscript of 17th Turn Chat Turn 131 and first Moves of Turn 132

[23:35] <Gilg> In my game our Samurai has beaten the Austrian......
[23:35] <MartinGuehmann> Yes in my game, too.
[23:35] <Gilg> What research do you have?
[23:35] <MartinGuehmann> What should we research now?
[23:35] <Locutus> I say Geometry
[23:36] <Gilg> No Monarchy, so Geometry........
[23:36] <Gilg> unless we take Iron work
[23:36] <Locutus> it's not an option for me
[23:36] <MartinGuehmann> Geometry is a little bit expensive isn't it.
[23:36] <Gilg> It is only 5 turns
[23:36] <Gilg> 5 turns for Iron work
[23:36] <MartinGuehmann> OK I have ship building
[23:37] <Gilg> Martin, which options do you have?
[23:37] <Locutus> catapults can bombard, making them the most powerful military unit for centuries to come...
[23:37] <MartinGuehmann> Then I have Maurerhandwerk, idea what this is called in the English version.
[23:38] <Gilg> Good question, construction I think
[23:38] <Gilg> What else?
[23:38] <Locutus> nothing like a 12-stack of catapults preparing an assault on even the most heavily defended cities
[23:38] <MartinGuehmann> At least it gives the Great Wall and the Arena.
[23:38] <Locutus> Masonry
[23:38] <MartinGuehmann> Well that's it.
[23:38] <Gilg> Locutus, yes there is something better: 2 * 12 stacks
[23:38] <Locutus> Contruction is Konstruction IIRC
[23:38] <MartinGuehmann> The last one is Geometry.
[23:39] <Gilg> Martin you are missing one
[23:39] <MartinGuehmann> And then I have Rittertum, no idea again what it is in the English version
[23:39] <Gilg> knights
[23:39] <Locutus> horse reiding
[23:39] <Locutus> horse riding
[23:39] <Gilg> Are you sure?
[23:39] <Locutus> yes
[23:40] <MartinGuehmann> It gives Mounted Archers and trade posts.
[23:40] <Gilg> OK, that's horse riding
[23:40] <MartinGuehmann> Yeah that must be horse riding.
[23:40] <Locutus> I'm looking at the english version myself, remember?
[23:40] <Gilg> How many turns for each?
[23:40] <Gilg> Locutus, hadn't had the time to change the language........
[23:41] <MartinGuehmann> Ship building 3 turns.
[23:41] <Locutus> HR = 5, GEO = 15, MAS = 4
[23:41] <MartinGuehmann> Yes.
[23:41] <Locutus> Geo is worth the wait
[23:41] <Gilg> great..........Best would be GEO, but quicker is HR, qhich isn't to bad either.........
[23:41] <MartinGuehmann> Except that Geo needs 14 turns in my game.
[23:41] <Gilg> qhich=which
[23:42] <MartinGuehmann> I think we should take first some quick advances.
[23:42] <Locutus> bombard! bombard! bombard!
[23:42] <Gilg> Actually, Martin
[23:43] <Gilg> In the moment we are mainly securing and with using higher PW, we won't be able to build anything else, so that's kind of OK
[23:43] <Locutus> without catapults we can't possibly dream of beating the germans, and I don't think they'll give us much of a choice but to fight (eventually)
[23:43] <Gilg> I would say: Geo
[23:44] <MartinGuehmann> OK I changed to Geo.
[23:44] <Gilg> although, using HR, we could build trading posts.........quicker research
[23:44] <Locutus> I think we should stop very soon anyway (well, I certainly will). so I can poll it just before resigning.
[23:44] <Gilg> and with this we would have quicker research.........either HR or geo........
[23:45] <Gilg> So, who is tossing a coin?
[23:45] <Locutus> go for Geo now (I'm the minister :P) and poll it later
[23:45] <MartinGuehmann> Well do a poll between HR and Geo
[23:46] <Locutus> no, a poll with all options open - the people have the right to choose
[23:46] <MartinGuehmann> OK continue.
[23:46] <Gilg> We won't loose research when switching?
[23:47] <Locutus> no
[23:47] <Gilg> ok
[23:47] <MartinGuehmann> OK I set the PW tax back to 10%
[23:47] <Gilg> Why? we could still leave it there
[23:48] <MartinGuehmann> I polled two turn 80% PW and we need more units.
[23:48] <Gilg> Do you see the English settler near Tropau-takers?
[23:48] <Locutus> 1 more turn would be possible, but not longer
[23:48] <Gilg> Let's get some more PW build mines and roads....
[23:48] <MartinGuehmann> It is a Hebrew settler.
[23:49] <Locutus> indeed
[23:49] <MartinGuehmann> We can't use so much, without the MoI.
[23:49] <Gilg> whatever........Looks like English, look at his face :-)
[23:49] <Gilg> Who is MoI? IW?
[23:49] <Locutus> but we can't do anything about it, so let's move on
[23:49] <Gilg> OK.....
[23:49] <Gilg> Tropau SW?
[23:50] <Locutus> what units to move first, Martin?
[23:50] <Locutus> yeah.
[23:50] <MartinGuehmann> The Tropau takes.
[23:50] <Locutus> no S
[23:50] <MartinGuehmann> And they should go SW.
[23:50] <MartinGuehmann> I want to know the size of Brunn.
[23:50] <Locutus> beeline to Wien now...
[23:50] <Gilg>
[23:50] <Gilg> the for Martin
[23:50] <Gilg> Let's check Brunn
[23:51] <Gilg> so SW
[23:51] <Locutus> it's taking us long enough to travel to WIen already, we should take the fastest route
[23:51] <Gilg> I'll count, wait
[23:51] <MartinGuehmann> Too late.
[23:51] <Gilg> SW?
[23:51] <Locutus> 4 S brings us N of the Uranium - we can meet with the other forces there.
[23:51] <MartinGuehmann> Brunn is a size two city with city walls.
[23:52] <Locutus> then redo the move, we must go to Wien ASAP!
[23:52] <MartinGuehmann> That's cheating.
[23:53] <Locutus> no it's not - you weren't supposed to go there in the first place...
[23:53] <Gilg> Plus, we won't gain anything we have to wait for the 6-stack..........
[23:53] <Gilg> They'll arrive at the same time.........
[23:53] <Locutus> the 6-stack will be N of the Uranium in 4 turns as well. the plan fits together perfectly...
[23:54] <Gilg> In this case they will join on the 5th move in front of Wien, so what?
[23:55] <Gilg> In neither case we could attack the same turn........
[23:55] <Locutus> okay, did some calculations. we can do it like this. it's messier but it works.
[23:55] <Gilg>
[23:55] <Gilg> who's next?
[23:56] <Locutus> the problem is that we can't suicide now - so it'll be very risky
[23:56] <MartinGuehmann> The size 12 stack near Graz.
[23:56] <MartinGuehmann> Where to move it?
[23:56] <Gilg> West?
[23:56] <Locutus> leave it - due to the extra delay it'll have to wait longer
[23:56] <Gilg> Locutus?
[23:57] <Locutus> fortify
[23:57] <Gilg> And it will shield against the Hebrew........
[23:57] <Gilg> F
[23:57] <Locutus> they're going S
[23:57] <Gilg> S_
[23:57] <Gilg> sorry S?
[23:58] <Locutus> the Hebrew are
[23:58] <Locutus> not us
[23:58] <Gilg> Ah! OK.
[23:58] <MartinGuehmann> OK the size 12 stack is fortified.
[23:58] <Gilg> Next?
[23:59] <MartinGuehmann> The Archer outside Pedrunnia.
[23:59] <MartinGuehmann> It should be moved to Pedrunnia and grouped into the stack there.
[23:59] <Gilg> S? 'exploring?
[23:59] <Locutus> to city and fortify
[23:59] <Gilg> Not trying to check where the German stack went?
[23:59] <Locutus> no, it might come back
[23:59] <Gilg> OK, city and F
[00:00] <Locutus> pedrunn must be defended at all cost.
[00:00] <Locutus> if they attack maq or Womb we can't do anything about it anyway
[00:00] <Gilg> At all cost????????
[00:00] <MartinGuehmann> OK, next unit is the Samurai.
[00:00] <Locutus> of course, it's the capital...
[00:00] <Gilg> RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
[00:00] <Locutus> attack the settler
[00:00] <MartinGuehmann> Not possible.
[00:01] <Gilg> Why you can't attack?
[00:01] <Locutus> bah, NE-NE then
[00:01] <Locutus> not enough MP
[00:01] <MartinGuehmann> If I move the Samurai North then the settler is NW.
[00:01] <MartinGuehmann> On the forest.
[00:01] <Gilg> yup.........
[00:01] <Gilg> NE, NE
[00:02] <MartinGuehmann> OK Samurai goes NE NE
[00:02] <Gilg> Oesiskiller SW?
[00:02] <Gilg> or west?
[00:03] <MartinGuehmann> Done and Ösikiller should go West.
[00:03] <MartinGuehmann> That way we reveal more of the Darkness and are still behind the settler.
[00:03] <MartinGuehmann> And if it settles something we destroy it.
[00:03] <Gilg> OK for me
[00:03] <MartinGuehmann> Locutus?
[00:04] <MartinGuehmann> Well go West...
[00:04] <Locutus> fine with me
[00:04] <MartinGuehmann> Done, next unit is GoodSight.
[00:05] <MartinGuehmann> Should be SW.
[00:05] <Gilg> I think it is SW again.......
[00:05] <MartinGuehmann> So am doing it.
[00:06] <Gilg> bait? next one
[00:06] <Gilg> ?
[00:06] <MartinGuehmann> Yes Bait is next one.
[00:06] <MartinGuehmann> Should we enter German or Celtic territory?
[00:07] <Gilg> What about the settler?
[00:07] <MartinGuehmann> Which settler?
[00:07] <Locutus> german territory
[00:07] <Gilg> I have a settler west of it........
[00:07] <MartinGuehmann> Yes German territory.
[00:07] <Gilg> OK :scraed:
[00:07] <Gilg>
[00:08] <Gilg> S?
[00:08] <MartinGuehmann> That is one move South, and even if there is a setller as long as it is not Austrian we can't do anythink outside of our territory.
[00:08] <MartinGuehmann> So Bait is going now one tile South.
[00:08] <Gilg> OK
[00:09] <MartinGuehmann> Next army is the size 6 stack near Graz.
[00:09] <Gilg> yep.........
[00:10] <Gilg> this one should move west?
[00:10] <Gilg> Locutus???
[00:10] <MartinGuehmann> So what is the destination of it?
[00:10] <Locutus> since the 7-stack is taking the scenic route, you can do whatever the hell you wanna do with that one...
[00:10] <Gilg> to join in front of Wien with the Tropau-stack
[00:11] <Locutus> go west, we can try to merge earlier (not sure if it'll work though)
[00:11] <MartinGuehmann> Yeah go West.
[00:11] <Gilg> West into the new territory, the wild wild west.
[00:12] <MartinGuehmann> Well wild it is rather Ösian.
[00:12] <MartinGuehmann> So I am doing it.
[00:12] <MartinGuehmann> Well that revealed a Scottish size 11 stack.
[00:13] <Locutus> hmm...not for me
[00:13] <Gilg> Where?
[00:13] <MartinGuehmann> I also grouped the wounded units from the Tropau stack into the defenders of Pressburg.
[00:13] <Gilg> OK
[00:14] <Gilg> PW back to 0%?
[00:14] <MartinGuehmann> I set it to 10%
[00:15] <Gilg> just check couple of cities would increase their production by 1 turn.........
[00:15] <Gilg> check=checked
[00:16] <MartinGuehmann> Screenshot posted.
[00:16] <Gilg> thanks
[00:16] <Gilg> ups.................
[00:17] <MartinGuehmann> OK set it back to 0%
[00:18] <Gilg> We have peace treaty with them, but they are still in our way......... So don't know what Locutus is moaning about
[00:19] <MartinGuehmann> Anything else?
[00:19] <Gilg> no, but let's finish the round and call it a day?
[00:19] <Gilg> In other words new round, but no action?
[00:20] <MartinGuehmann> Well let's end the turn first and see then.
[00:20] <MartinGuehmann> END OF TURN 131
[00:20] <Gilg> OK
[00:20] <Locutus> okay, end chat?
[00:21] <Locutus> I know I'm going. it's too late already...
[00:21] <MartinGuehmann> I think we can still move the lonly units.
[00:22] <MartinGuehmann> I already grouped the new defenders.
[00:22] <MartinGuehmann> Ösibuster should follow the settler.
[00:22] <Gilg> I am just going through my dipmod errors.......
[00:23] <MartinGuehmann> But in the meantime I can move him one West.
[00:23] <Gilg> You did recognise that Germany founded a new city NW of Brunn?
[00:23] <Gilg> Your settler did move?
[00:24] <Locutus> k. in that case I'll leave you two alone.
[00:24] <MartinGuehmann> Yes my settler did move
[00:24] <Gilg> k, have a good sleep
[00:24] <MartinGuehmann> And I think we should also leave Bait alone.
[00:24] * haven.apolyton.net changes topic to 'CtP2 Democracy Game'
[00:24] <Gilg> OK, not for me........
[00:24] <Gilg> What about the Samurai?
[00:24] <Locutus> good night...
[00:24] * Locutus has quit IRC (Quit: )
[00:24] <MartinGuehmann> So I move him West.
[00:24] <MartinGuehmann> Good night Locutus.
[00:25] <Gilg> the settler moved where?
[00:25] <MartinGuehmann> Move Ösibuster West?
[00:25] <Gilg> the settler moved where?
[00:25] <MartinGuehmann> The settler is now W SW
[00:25] <MartinGuehmann> So one West?
[00:25] <Gilg> OK, west
[00:26] <MartinGuehmann> Done and added one entertainer to Linz.
[00:26] <Gilg> Bait SW?
[00:26] <MartinGuehmann> Next unit is Goodsight
[00:27] <Gilg> Goodsoght NW?
[00:27] <MartinGuehmann> Yes
[00:27] <Gilg> ok
[00:27] <MartinGuehmann> And the Samurai should go North
[00:27] <Gilg> Linz, isn't growing at all.......
[00:27] <MartinGuehmann> It should keep some distance to Pilsen.
[00:28] <Gilg> Samurai, North
[00:28] <Gilg> let's try to join with the Oesibuster
[00:28] <MartinGuehmann> Linz just grow and I think now that should be all.
[00:29] <Gilg> 6 stack?
[00:29] <Gilg> Martin?
[00:29] <MartinGuehmann> For the next chat.
[00:29] <Gilg> OK with me
[00:30] <MartinGuehmann> I just wanted to play the lonly units.
[00:30] <Gilg> OK..........
[00:30] <MartinGuehmann> Unfortunatly the way is now longer for Bait so let's decide it next chat.
[00:30] <MartinGuehmann> END OF 17TH TURN CHAT

[Pedrunn]

I have an idea to speed things up. I i will post the moves to do as orders. So while playing so the MoD/delegate/Pres just need to write the order and ask, if there is any objection.
I think this will speed things up if the orders dont get so objected. I think it is better than having to discuss what to do every time. What do you think?

[Gilgamensch]

Pedrunn,

good idea, but.....

We had a lengthy discussion about some units, and all of us changed our opinion every 5 minutes, because of better ideas
Also some minor mistakes by us (moving the wrong stack *ups*).

But again, generally would be OK and better

Maybe you should keep the orders a bit more general, just giving key-points to move to, i.e. Trapou and addon(?) to meet east inoff Wien, I think you get my idea........