ELECTION: Junior Judge (3 months)

[Frozzy]

We have TWO nominated candidates for this election of a judge.

The victorious citizen will be inaugerated into the Lemurian Supreme Court, serving for a total of three months. At the cession of these months, his position will become up for re-election. The last month of his tenure will be as the Senior Justice

The nominees are

Gilgamench (Judge in Term I, II, and III. Impeached and re-elected in Term II)
mapfi (Judge in Term I and II, lost the presidential election in Term III)

There will be a total of five (5) days for your vote to be cast.

This election will be considered finished on [b]Thursday, 22:00 New Zealand Daylight Savings Time (09:00 Greenwich Meridian Time)

[mapfi]

Fellow Lemurians

I see it as my duty to present you with an alternative to Gilgamensch. Those following the talk on the forums closely know that I clearly did not agree with Gilgamensch on important matters. I also didn't like the way he represented his position. here and here

Beside that I'm convinced I can be a excellent judge for you. I know the constitution inside out from partly writing it and working with it. I also know court procedures. I believe our court can be wise and powerful if its members are moderate and if it succeeds in delivering fast rulings.

Thanks

[Gilgamensch]

The reasons why I want to continue to be a judge are:

I do like good discussions.
I want our empire to be based on legal rights and to protect it from bad influence.
I trust in our constitution and in our Grand Lemur.

Just some points from Mapfi during the Nomination thread:

I could not leave them standing alone in the air:

I'd feel like going for judge because I didn't agree with Gilgamensch's way of exercising that position at all, nor his opinions, but I don't want to lock myself 3 months in a judge position again. I hope someone else runs for this one. What happened to all the contestants from past elections - DoT? John?

Do you really want to vote for a person who is not even willing to care about his duty?
Do you really want to have such a person as a judge who just spits out some not justified comments?

I trust in you, dear Lemurians to vote for the better !!!!

[mapfi]

I do care about my duty and the court, that's why I feel obliged to run.

[Gilgamensch]

Why are you then saying that you don't want to lock yourself away?

That doesn't really sound like you DO care

You publicly anounced this! That shouldn't be what a judge is supposed to do.

And what you didn't like about my positioning?

I also didn't like the way he represented his position.

[Zaphod Beeblebrox]

well, i definitely want no one in the court, who wants to restrict the freedom of speech! VOTE MAPFI!

[Gilgamensch]

There we go again

This is not thread-related.

[Zaphod Beeblebrox]

of course its thread related, its an argument against you and in favor of mapfi

[Gilgamensch]

You are doing the same again as last time.

[H Tower]

Originally posted by Gilgamensch
There we go again

This is not thread-related.

i disagree, this IS related, it is a discussion of what actions you have taken in the past, which is a good topic for an election.

[Gilgamensch]

But it shouldn't come from a supporter it should come from Mapfi. And he is the one who doesn't care about his job............

And having people putting up arguments, which are not true, is what isn't correct here. And again Mapfi, doesn't feel like debating, how could he, he doesn't care.

[Locutus]

It *was* brought up by mapfi: he posted a link to MrBaggins' case thread in his first post in this thread. I can only assume Zaphod's post was merely a response to that...

And rather than addressing the issue, you call it off-topic and accuse mapfi of unwillingness to run/debate (which might be a good point but soon looses it's value if it's your only one and you keep hammering on it). So one *could* argue that YOU are in fact the one who's not willing to debate...

[Zaphod Beeblebrox]

Originally posted by Gilgamensch
You are doing the same again as last time.

i'm doing what again?
as what last time?

[Gilgamensch]

I said: non-thread related......

And I don't want go into the same discussion as all I hear from the other side is, you can't do that............ That is no discussion at all.

I am hammering on it? I am trying to get a response of him, but there isn't, only the same stuff from Zaphod.............

How are you supposed to discuss something with an attitude like that?

Mapfi doesn't seem to care at all............

And having a third party person throwing some 'stuff' at me, which they didn't defend in the first place doesn't make me change my mind............

OK, to continue some debating:

Mapfi actually asked me to violate our connie, does this sound like a judge? (He send a PM to me, asking for Tamerlin to be inlcuded to the election). His 'last' demand as leaving judge........

Yes, I still got a copy from this incident........

And another thing about hammering: Where is he? Why doesn't he 'defend' himself? I thinh, because he can't........

[mapfi]

I don't see a point in posting again but I don't want to be accused of avoiding debate. I've posted the links to the threads were I made my disagreement with Gilgamensch's opinion clear and also voiced my dissappointment in the way he handled his position - not at all moderate and not seeking consensus but radical.
As posted in the café I'm on vacation till next Tuesday, so you won't hear from me here anymore.