13th Turn Chat (From Turn 93 in the year 2140BC)

[Pedrunn]

Thats just great! My explore gives a error due all the repetitive al-tabs and now I cant get to join the chat!

A few turns before the Linz attack!

I want to join

[Zaphod Beeblebrox]

cool down, you missed nothing and youre back already

[Martin Gühmann]

The Germans grabbed our land:

[Martin Gühmann]

Around Graz:

[Martin Gühmann]

Well here is more around Graz:

[Martin Gühmann]

A savegame to fix the time line:

[Martin Gühmann]

The chat transcript all times are GMT+1:

[19:55] <MartinGuehmann> START OF 13TH TURN CHAT
[19:55] <Pedrunn> how many truns will be rushed for the wonder with the Lemuforce units?
[19:56] <Zaphod> greetings pedrunn
[19:56] <Miggio> 1 turn per unit
[19:56] <MartinGuehmann> Yes
[19:56] <MartinGuehmann> So what is the destination of the Lemuforce?
[19:57] <Tamerlin> Pedrunn do you think we should first use the Lemuforce reinforced with other units to stage an attack on Linz
[19:57] <Miggio> I think that would be good
[19:57] <Pedrunn> isnt we going to disband them?
[19:58] <Tamerlin> We have at least 14 turns before we will have to do it.
[19:58] <MartinGuehmann> We disband them if we get the wonder almost finished warning
[19:59] <MartinGuehmann> Well we could also use somFe gold then so maybe 10 to 12 turns before the wonder is finished
[19:59] <Pedrunn> thats was whole point of the question
[19:59] <Pedrunn> Do you guys think we need reinforcements? Two stack to conquer Linz?
[20:00] <Miggio> one 12 stack should do the trick
[20:00] <Miggio> with our vets of course
[20:00] <Tamerlin> Tricky question, but I think we should have something like 16 units...
[20:01] <MartinGuehmann> If I look on the power graph then I think every city of the Austrians has the garrison Graz had, so a second stack in reserve would be good.
[20:02] <Pedrunn> ORDER: Martin move Lemuforce SW then SE.
[20:02] <Pedrunn> everybody agree
[20:02] <Pedrunn> ?
[20:03] <MartinGuehmann> So the target would be then Lin?
[20:03] <Zaphod> doesn't work, too many units in h-town
[20:03] <Tamerlin> Yep
[20:03] <Tamerlin> We should first ask the units inside H-Town to go out.
[20:03] <MartinGuehmann> No problem then we replace the defenders of H Town by units from the Lemuforce.
[20:04] <Pedrunn> So we should send two unts from H town to leava
[20:04] <Pedrunn> and meet lemuforce at NW of H Town
[20:04] <MartinGuehmann> Also possible
[20:04] <Zaphod> we could take a hoplite and a archer and join them with the force
[20:05] <Pedrunn> yep a hop and a archer
[20:05] <Miggio> the power graph has the graz loss in it and from comparing, i can say they have at least 48 units...
[20:05] <Tamerlin> So, what are your orders Pedrunn?
[20:05] <MartinGuehmann> Rather 55 units for the Austrians
[20:06] <MartinGuehmann> Pedrunn?
[20:06] <Pedrunn> ORDER: Make a hop and a archer meet the Lemuforce NW of H Town
[20:06] <Miggio> thats what i ment sorry
[20:06] <MartinGuehmann> OK
[20:07] <Tamerlin> done!
[20:07] <Pedrunn> Group them
[20:08] <MartinGuehmann> Both orders done.
[20:08] <Pedrunn> I also think we should sen on unit from Pressburg to meet Lemuforce in the next turn! What do you think?
[20:08] <Pedrunn> It wont delay lemuforce
[20:09] <Zaphod> we shouldn't weaken pressburgs defence
[20:09] <Zaphod> 2h/2a there
[20:09] <MartinGuehmann> Possible as we don't need that unit there for keeping the city happy.
[20:09] <Zaphod> only if we change buildqeue there
[20:09] <MartinGuehmann> I think we should build the settler there.
[20:10] <Zaphod> i agree, but that means not reducing the units imho
[20:10] <Tamerlin> We would need four turns to build a Hoplite or Archer...
[20:11] <MartinGuehmann> We could build it in H Town
[20:11] <Miggio> lemuforce is one the river tile south of H town right?
[20:11] <Pedrunn> we still have 17 turns for the settler
[20:11] <Zaphod> nope, nw of h-town
[20:11] <MartinGuehmann> Yes, Pedrunn
[20:12] <Miggio> ok
[20:12] <Pedrunn> send one from Pressburg?
[20:12] <MartinGuehmann> Yes
[20:12] <Zaphod> id say no
[20:13] <Miggio> IMO yes
[20:13] <Tamerlin> one H or A?
[20:13] <Pedrunn> And 2 from Pedrunnia?
[20:13] <MartinGuehmann> Good question
[20:13] <Tamerlin> I am checking!
[20:14] <Zaphod> i would send 1 h from pedrunnia, so the garrison there stays 2/2
[20:14] <MartinGuehmann> Pedrunnia is far away why not from Graz?
[20:14] <Zaphod> graz is on the route, they can combine later
[20:14] <Tamerlin> One H from Pressburg and one A from Pedunnia...
[20:15] <Pedrunn> Do you think we should send a alone unit from that dark and unknwon path?
[20:15] <MartinGuehmann> From Pedrunnia it takes 4 turns
[20:15] <Zaphod> both stacks/units from ped and the lemuforce will have trhee turns to the field se of graz
[20:16] <MartinGuehmann> OK
[20:16] <Tamerlin> So?
[20:16] <Pedrunn> So is it safe enough to send only one unit from Pedrunnia?
[20:16] <Zaphod> if we send a unit from pressburg..
[20:17] <Pedrunn> others... please your oppinions
[20:17] <Zaphod> it should take the western river around graz and meet on the rivertile sw of graz in 4 turns with the rest, that would nevertheless be a delay of half a move
[20:17] <MartinGuehmann> Sending a unit from Pedrunnia to Graz should be save enough of course there is still a risk...
[20:18] <Tamerlin> It would allow us to scout the countryside around Pedrunnia and Graz, I think we should.
[20:18] <Miggio> it is safe to send that unit form pedrunnia along the graz river route
[20:18] <Zaphod> i think we can risk it, even if we loose that single hop, it won't be a danger to our defences
[20:18] <Tamerlin> I would rather send an Archer...
[20:19] <Pedrunn> if we send will be a archer
[20:19] <MartinGuehmann> We already sent a warrior to Graz and it was killed where it should have been killed.
[20:19] <MartinGuehmann> I would also send an archer
[20:20] <Pedrunn> so lets move them
[20:20] <Zaphod> yep, your right
[20:20] <Pedrunn> ORDER: Move a hoplite from Pressburg South
[20:20] <Zaphod> 3 a 2 h there so an a
[20:21] <Pedrunn> ORDER: Send a archer from Pedrunnia NW then W.
[20:21] <Tamerlin> done
[20:22] <MartinGuehmann> Both orders executed
[20:22] <Pedrunn> Martin you reloaded slic?
[20:23] <MartinGuehmann> No, I don't need to do it as I saved this game.
[20:23] <MartinGuehmann> But everyone else should do it.
[20:23] <Tamerlin> done
[20:23] <MartinGuehmann> So the next moves:
[20:24] <MartinGuehmann> I guess Lemuforce should now stand still
[20:24] <Pedrunn> ORDER: Move bait North
[20:24] <MartinGuehmann> He is already moved last chat
[20:24] <Tamerlin> right
[20:24] <MartinGuehmann> Also true for Goodsight
[20:24] <MartinGuehmann> So the Barbarian thread is left
[20:25] <Pedrunn> ORDER: Move goodsight SW
[20:25] <Pedrunn> oh it cant move this turn...
[20:25] <MartinGuehmann> Yes
[20:25] <Pedrunn>
[20:25] <Zaphod> id say take 2h2a from mapifpolis, might bring us a turn of unrest, but it will be a sure fight
[20:25] <Pedrunn> exacly
[20:25] <Miggio> true
[20:26] <Pedrunn> ORDER: 2 archers and 2 Hops from mapfipolis grouped to attack Barbs
[20:26] <Tamerlin> There should be no problem as we would have one unit left and a 73 happiness rating
[20:27] <Zaphod> right, i'm still thinking in cradleterms *g*
[20:27] <Zaphod> oh, theres a german settler
[20:28] <Zaphod> attack anyways, or hope the barbs will kill him?
[20:28] <Pedrunn> I was going to ask that
[20:28] <Miggio> let the barbs kill him
[20:28] <MartinGuehmann> The settler isn't the problem
[20:28] <Tamerlin> 2 units left actually... yes a german settler, 74 happiness rating in Mapfipolis... We would expell the settler next turn
[20:28] <MartinGuehmann> So order executed
[20:29] <Pedrunn> expel means less regard
[20:29] <Tamerlin> It has no effect on the regard...
[20:29] <Zaphod> and they come back all the time, unless the barbs kill him of course
[20:29] <Pedrunn> The settler is outside our borders
[20:30] <Tamerlin> If it gets closer of course...
[20:30] <Pedrunn> I say let attack to next turn. Fortify in the woods.
[20:30] <Zaphod> i agree
[20:30] <Pedrunn> what you guys think?
[20:30] <Tamerlin> Martin, has you already executed the order?
[20:31] <MartinGuehmann> Hey stop I already executed the order.
[20:31] <Pedrunn> lol
[20:31] <Pedrunn> no prob
[20:31] <Tamerlin>
[20:31] <MartinGuehmann> So it isn't anymore an option.
[20:31] <MartinGuehmann> And Actual I am a little bit worried about what I see.
[20:31] <MartinGuehmann> A German size 7 stack.
[20:31] <Zaphod> yes, i see it as well
[20:31] <Pedrunn>
[20:31] <Miggio>
[20:32] <MartinGuehmann> Posted a screenshot for everyone else.
[20:32] <Miggio> they will go to war with us
[20:32] <MartinGuehmann> Not yet
[20:32] <Tamerlin> Not sure...
[20:32] <Zaphod> they might be heading south against india or thailand as well
[20:33] <Tamerlin> That is what I was thinking about though this is far form the most direct route...
[20:33] <Pedrunn> We should leave a archer to see this
[20:34] <MartinGuehmann> I don't like to see this.
[20:34] <Zaphod> well, no moves left there anyways, lets look what they do in their turn
[20:34] <MartinGuehmann> Next turn our Barbarian killing force should return
[20:34] <MartinGuehmann> Yes let's look what they do next turn
[20:34] <Miggio> only 3 of them should return
[20:34] <Zaphod> unless the germans attack this turn
[20:35] <Tamerlin> I agree with you Martin.
[20:35] <Tamerlin> There is nothing we can do about it now.
[20:35] <Zaphod> we might send some reinforcements from mapfipolis and get units from loc halfway between loc and mapfi for quick response
[20:35] <Pedrunn> Move three units back to mapfipolis and a archer to SE
[20:36] <MartinGuehmann> I can't move them this turn they already killed the Barbs
[20:36] <Zaphod> well, i was thinking about this turn, not the next one
[20:36] <Pedrunn> sorry, it was the heat of the moment
[20:36] <Pedrunn>
[20:37] <Pedrunn> move two units from CL to mapfipolis.
[20:37] <Pedrunn> Next turn we decide if it should be back to CL or go to mapfipolis
[20:37] <Miggio> that leaves cl with 2 units
[20:38] <Tamerlin> 1 H and 1 A I presume?
[20:38] <Pedrunn> yes
[20:38] <MartinGuehmann> To keep the city happy this is enough, so I agree we should move the units, Pedrunn?
[20:38] <Pedrunn> Should we send the rest of the mapfipolis units to the field?
[20:38] <Zaphod> we might even get another stack from ped halfway to colonia locutia, just for the case the germans start an invasion
[20:38] <Zaphod> id say yes
[20:39] <Pedrunn> yes for what!?!
[20:39] <MartinGuehmann> Only 4 units in Pedrunnia, now.
[20:39] <MartinGuehmann> So they should stay there.
[20:39] <Tamerlin> Yes
[20:39] <Zaphod> yes for both martins question and my suggestion ;-)
[20:40] <Zaphod> that would leave 2 there, and the archer we just ordered to the western front can be back next turn if needed
[20:40] <Tamerlin> Barely enough to repel some barbs...
[20:40] <Pedrunn> But we could sen the 2 other units from mapfipolis to the field making a size 6 barrier
[20:41] <Zaphod> what barbs? there can't be any attacking barbs this turn, we would already see them now
[20:42] <MartinGuehmann> Removing the two units from MP would let the happiness dropp below 73
[20:42] <Miggio> i have to go
[20:42] <Miggio> c ya guys later
[20:42] <Tamerlin> Not necessiraly now but in future turns... bye Miggio
[20:42] <MartinGuehmann> Bye Miggio
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[20:42] <Zaphod> cu miggio
[20:43] <Tamerlin> I would send the Archer to reinforce the former barbarian hunters.
[20:43] <Pedrunn> Mapfipolis rioting is such a bad thing?
[20:43] <Zaphod> well, if the germans don't attack this turn, we can move the units back to ped anyways
[20:43] <Zaphod> better one turn of riots than loosing a stack of 4
[20:43] <Pedrunn> exacly!
[20:44] <MartinGuehmann> Rioting MP is does cost alot of gold
[20:44] <MartinGuehmann> OK what to do?
[20:44] <Pedrunn> We may loose six with the plan but some good damage we will do
[20:44] <Tamerlin> OK
[20:44] <MartinGuehmann> OK
[20:44] <MartinGuehmann> So your orders Pedrunn?
[20:44] <Pedrunn> move 2 units from mapfipolis
[20:44] <Pedrunn> ?
[20:44] <Zaphod> at least enough, that the survivng german force wont take mapfipolis the next turn
[20:45] <Pedrunn> Ok them lets move all troops from the east
[20:45] <MartinGuehmann> 2 units from CL, I say yes
[20:45] <Pedrunn> ORDER: Two units from Pedrunnia to CL
[20:45] <Tamerlin> We could add an entertainer to Mapfipolis
[20:45] <Zaphod> no, we don't have drama
[20:45] <MartinGuehmann> H A from Pedrunnia?
[20:45] <Tamerlin> Yes we have
[20:45] <MartinGuehmann> We have Drama
[20:46] <Pedrunn> ORDER: Two units from CL to Mapfipolis
[20:46] <Zaphod> oops, sorry
[20:46] <MartinGuehmann> Pedrunn what units?
[20:46] <Pedrunn> ORDER: Two units from Mapfipolis to the field
[20:46] <Pedrunn> Always 1 Hop and 1 Archer
[20:46] <Tamerlin> done
[20:47] <MartinGuehmann> Two units from CL to MP done
[20:48] <Zaphod> entertainer will make mapfipolis starve
[20:48] <MartinGuehmann> All units from MP to Barbarian hunting force
[20:48] <Tamerlin> This is what I was typing...
[20:48] <Tamerlin> done!
[20:49] <Pedrunn> How many starve proection we have
[20:49] <Pedrunn> ?
[20:49] <MartinGuehmann> 3 turns starve protection
[20:49] <MartinGuehmann> So six units in field near German settler now.
[20:49] <Tamerlin> Right!
[20:50] <MartinGuehmann> Oh and added a Entertainer to MP
[20:50] <Tamerlin> If everybody agrees, add an entertainer to Mapfipolis.
[20:50] <MartinGuehmann> So any more units to move?
[20:50] <Zaphod> daccord
[20:50] <Pedrunn> yes
[20:51] <MartinGuehmann> Which units?
[20:51] <Tamerlin> It seems not.
[20:51] <Pedrunn> yes for the enternaner question
[20:51] <MartinGuehmann> OK, seems no more units
[20:52] <Tamerlin> Should we make any diplomatic offer?
[20:52] <Zaphod> don't think so
[20:52] <MartinGuehmann> No, as we have to spend gold, and that is reserved for wonder rushing
[20:53] <Tamerlin> OK
[20:54] <MartinGuehmann> So Pedrunn any other unit to move? (From Pedrunnia for example?)
[20:54] <Pedrunn> i told you to send 2 from it
[20:55] <MartinGuehmann> Lemuforce had one half movement point left
[20:55] <MartinGuehmann> had -> has
[20:55] <Pedrunn> but nowhere to go
[20:55] <MartinGuehmann> OK should stand still
[20:56] <Pedrunn> yes
[20:56] <MartinGuehmann> So I can mow end the turn?
[20:56] <Pedrunn> think so
[20:56] <Tamerlin> yes
[20:56] <Zaphod> did you move units from pedrunnia or not?
[20:56] <MartinGuehmann> END OF TURN 93

[Martin Gühmann]

[20:56] <MartinGuehmann> I moved units from Pedrunnia
[20:57] <Tamerlin> Gandhi has started the Appian Way.
[20:57] <Zaphod> yep
[20:57] <Pedrunn> got that too
[20:57] <Zaphod> and the germans retreated ne
[20:57] <Tamerlin> yes
[20:58] <MartinGuehmann> No war, and Gandhi started the Via Appia in my game, too.
[20:58] <Pedrunn> I feel relief now
[20:58] <Pedrunn>
[20:58] <Tamerlin> Are all our units stepping back?
[20:58] <Tamerlin>
[20:58] <MartinGuehmann> I hope.
[20:58] <Zaphod> time for a pipe
[20:58] <Tamerlin>
[20:58] <Pedrunn>
[20:59] <Pedrunn> Lets starting moving units
[20:59] <Pedrunn>
[20:59] <Zaphod> we should begin with the scouts
[20:59] <Zaphod> we have 1 new archer in cl
[20:59] <MartinGuehmann> Yup, so Barbarian hunting force back to MP
[20:59] <Pedrunn> J is on-line doenst him want to join us?
[20:59] <Pedrunn> not all
[21:00] <Pedrunn> I still want to keep a archer
[21:00] <Pedrunn> in the fiels
[21:00] <Tamerlin> Why not send back all our troops to their original location this will speed up the process?
[21:00] <Tamerlin> Which Archer?
[21:00] <Pedrunn> One archer near the german stack
[21:00] <Zaphod> the one with the silly green hat :-P
[21:01] <Pedrunn>
[21:01] <Tamerlin>
[21:01] <MartinGuehmann> I don't want to have it there it is an easy target.
[21:02] <Pedrunn> not that easy though with its two vision range it can help itself
[21:02] <Pedrunn> Lets vote
[21:03] <Pedrunn> 4 people here who wants to leave the archer in the field?
[21:03] <Pedrunn> me
[21:03] <MartinGuehmann> Move it back
[21:03] <Pedrunn>
[21:03] <Zaphod> abstain
[21:03] <Tamerlin> One Archer left to the condition it retreats to MP as soon as an ennemy comes closer
[21:03] <Pedrunn> So tamerlin...
[21:03] <Tamerlin>
[21:04] <Pedrunn> so leave it
[21:04] <Zaphod> we might move it back and furth along the river, so we can see also those units 3 fields away
[21:04] <MartinGuehmann> OK, it looks like it should stay there.
[21:04] <Tamerlin> Orders?
[21:05] <MartinGuehmann> So, orders?
[21:05] <Pedrunn> ORDER: Move five units from the barb hunters to Mapfipolis . Leave an archer
[21:05] <MartinGuehmann> Done
[21:06] <Pedrunn> ORDER: Units back to its city: CL and Pedrunnia
[21:06] <MartinGuehmann> DOne
[21:06] <Pedrunn> ORDER: Move Goodsight SW
[21:06] <Zaphod> except that single archer north of ped
[21:07] <Tamerlin> done
[21:07] <MartinGuehmann> Order executed
[21:07] <Pedrunn> True. Thanks for remembering that but i think Martin got the picture
[21:07] <Zaphod> i tjink so too
[21:08] <MartinGuehmann> Speaking of that unit: SW W?
[21:08] <Pedrunn> ORDER: Move archer near Pedrunnia along the river
[21:08] <MartinGuehmann> That should it be.
[21:08] <MartinGuehmann> Done
[21:08] <Pedrunn> SW then W indeed
[21:08] <Tamerlin> done
[21:08] <Pedrunn> Move Lemuforce SW
[21:09] <MartinGuehmann> Done
[21:09] <Pedrunn> that was wn order
[21:09] <MartinGuehmann> oops
[21:09] <Pedrunn> oops what?
[21:09] <Pedrunn> !!!
[21:09] <MartinGuehmann> forget it
[21:09] <Tamerlin>
[21:10] <Pedrunn>
[21:10] <Pedrunn> I thought it was a wrong move...
[21:10] <MartinGuehmann> Lemuforce is now West of H Town
[21:10] <Pedrunn> ORDER: Move Pressburg hoplite South
[21:10] <MartinGuehmann> I don't think it is a wrong move if you want to join it with the Hopelite
[21:10] <Zaphod> well, actually i made the wrong move, s instead of sw ;-)
[21:11] <Pedrunn> not the actually in Pressburg but the hoplite south of it
[21:11] <Pedrunn> I know you go it
[21:12] <Pedrunn> oh oh Zaphod that reaaly piss me off. I did this mistake last chat i attended
[21:12] <MartinGuehmann> OK, grouped the Hoplite into Lemuforce
[21:13] <Pedrunn> ORDER: Move Bait North
[21:13] <MartinGuehmann> Done
[21:14] <Pedrunn> I guess that all
[21:14] <Tamerlin> done
[21:14] <MartinGuehmann> Fortify the Archer near the German border?
[21:14] <Zaphod> theres a new archer in cl as well
[21:14] <Zaphod> i would move it on the river
[21:14] <MartinGuehmann> And of course all the other defenders?
[21:14] <Zaphod> the germanborderarcher
[21:15] <Pedrunn> ORDER: Lets name that archer TheEye and fortify it
[21:16] <MartinGuehmann> Done
[21:16] <Tamerlin> ORDER: remove the entertainer in Mapfipolis
[21:16] <MartinGuehmann> Done, should we add farmer?
[21:17] <MartinGuehmann> To mapfipolis?
[21:17] <Zaphod> don't think so, will slow down production by 1 turn
[21:18] <Tamerlin> I think so this what I was suggesting in the Turn Chat Thread, MP would grow in 18 turns instead of 52.
[21:18] <MartinGuehmann> So it is done.
[21:18] <Tamerlin> Production would require 4 turns instead of 3.
[21:18] <Zaphod> ouch, thats a difference indeed
[21:18] <Zaphod> farmer!
[21:18] <Pedrunn> thats a tricky one
[21:19] <MartinGuehmann> But the 18 and 54 is also a difference
[21:19] <Zaphod> thats what i meant
[21:19] <Tamerlin> True, Pedrunn?
[21:19] <Zaphod> but it will slow down research by one as well
[21:19] <Pedrunn> I abstain
[21:19] <Tamerlin> ORDER: farmer in MP
[21:20] <MartinGuehmann> Done
[21:20] <Pedrunn> we do need enough units anyway
[21:20] <Tamerlin> No effect on research...
[21:20] <Zaphod> in my game there is
[21:20] <MartinGuehmann> OK the new archer in CL is left, should it be grouped?
[21:21] <Zaphod> i'd send it to ped
[21:21] <Tamerlin> Zaphod, have you removed the entertainer?
[21:21] <Tamerlin> Martin, I think so!
[21:21] <MartinGuehmann> 8 turns to Trade with farmer
[21:21] <Zaphod> yes i have, 8 turns
[21:22] <MartinGuehmann> And 7 turns without entertainer
[21:22] <MartinGuehmann> I meant farmer
[21:22] * Pedrunn has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[21:22] <MartinGuehmann> Pedrunn lost the connection
[21:23] <Tamerlin> Still 7 turns in my game... so gentlemen? I still think we should leave the farmer as we will recover the list ground in 18 turns with the new pop point.
[21:23] <Tamerlin> list=lost
[21:24] <Tamerlin> What do you think about it?
[21:24] <MartinGuehmann> I think we should leave there the farmer
[21:24] <Zaphod> not sure, but i'd say lets build a farm there with the pw we steal from austria instead ;-)
[21:25] <MartinGuehmann> In 20 turns
[21:25] <MartinGuehmann> OK one farmer to MP
[21:25] <Tamerlin> done!
[21:26] <Tamerlin> Hapiness 72 in Wels!
[21:27] <Zaphod> hm
[21:27] <MartinGuehmann> Problem solved by giving more food to the people.
[21:27] <Tamerlin> OK
[21:27] <Zaphod> is wels worth slowing down all other town's growth?
[21:28] <MartinGuehmann> In two turns we have an Hoplite there, so it is worth.
[21:28] <Tamerlin> Martin, You mean 5 kg ration?
[21:29] <MartinGuehmann> Yes, and now 7 turns to Trade
[21:29] <Tamerlin> ????
[21:29] <Zaphod> if we add another entertainer, it will be three turns, the number of turns we would be safe against starvation there
[21:30] <MartinGuehmann> Now they starve and two turns to the Hopelite
[21:31] <Zaphod> and slowed down growth nationwide
[21:31] <Tamerlin> And trade would be 8 turns away...
[21:31] <MartinGuehmann> Yes, but increased our science a little bit
[21:31] <MartinGuehmann> So I take the science
[21:31] <Zaphod> ok
[21:32] <MartinGuehmann> OK, I grouped the new unit in CL into the defender stack, so no more moves yet
[21:32] <MartinGuehmann> yet -> left
[21:32] <Tamerlin> End turn?
[21:32] <MartinGuehmann> Zaphod?
[21:33] <Zaphod> ok
[21:33] <MartinGuehmann> END OF TURN 94

[Martin Gühmann]

[21:34] <Zaphod> i have a barbarian samurai behind our archer
[21:34] <Zaphod> the indians begin the pyramids
[21:34] <Tamerlin> yes on both points
[21:35] <MartinGuehmann> No Barbarian behind our archer
[21:35] <Zaphod> and the german settler is lingering around mapfipolis
[21:35] <Zaphod> good to hear that
[21:35] <MartinGuehmann> Yes the settler is there
[21:35] <Tamerlin> Wels happiness is now back to 74, the food rating can be lowered one degree again. Yes for the settler, we should expell it.
[21:35] <MartinGuehmann> But we have now the city Nürnberg near Wels.
[21:36] <Zaphod> yep, i see it
[21:36] <Tamerlin> Sad news...
[21:36] <Zaphod> we should have expelled that settler
[21:36] <MartinGuehmann> I am posting a screenshot
[21:36] * Pedrunn has joined #Lemuria
[21:36] <Pedrunn> Hi all
[21:36] <Tamerlin> Hi Pedrunn...
[21:37] <Zaphod> wb pedrunn
[21:37] <Pedrunn> My PC freezed
[21:37] <Pedrunn> These alt-tabs are killing him
[21:37] <MartinGuehmann> On the 11th chat it was my PC, twice.
[21:38] <Pedrunn> And i could not join through the apolyton java chat so i used scoop
[21:38] <Tamerlin> I am surprised my Win2000 has accepted them so far without any problem...
[21:38] <Pedrunn> And here i am
[21:38] <Tamerlin>
[21:38] <Pedrunn> Thank god i saved the game before after moving all units this turn
[21:38] <Pedrunn>
[21:38] <Tamerlin> The citizens are dancing while the Prez is not here.
[21:38] <Pedrunn>
[21:38] <Pedrunn>
[21:39] <Tamerlin>
[21:39] <Zaphod> viva la revulocion!
[21:39] <MartinGuehmann> Well, the java chat contains an M$ bug, Marcos did not fix it so far.
[21:39] <Tamerlin> Shhhh! He is back...
[21:39] <Pedrunn>
[21:40] <Zaphod> ooops
[21:40] <Pedrunn> That is indded a pain Martin. So what happened while i was gone?
[21:40] <Pedrunn> did we end turn
[21:40] <Zaphod> yes
[21:40] <Zaphod> the indian began the pyramids
[21:40] <MartinGuehmann> I think they started something else
[21:40] <Tamerlin> yes, an new german city near Wels...
[21:41] <Zaphod> and the germans founded nürnberg just on the border of wels
[21:41] <Pedrunn> and from us?
[21:41] <MartinGuehmann> The Indians started the Chinchen Itza
[21:41] <Tamerlin> I confirm, Pyramids... no a new one from their own.
[21:41] <Zaphod> that was the turn before martin
[21:42] <Zaphod> well a new archer in h.town, thats it so far from lemuria
[21:42] <Pedrunn> yes the chichen itza
[21:42] <Tamerlin> Yes but close to the front... I must have dreamt of the pyramids...
[21:43] <Pedrunn> That nurember city is in a terrble location
[21:43] <MartinGuehmann> Yes, new Archer in H Town
[21:43] <Pedrunn> specially for us
[21:44] <Zaphod> well, nothing we can do about now
[21:44] <MartinGuehmann> Yeah but will stay there if it is not conquered by us.
[21:44] <Pedrunn> LetI want to destroy it but this means a official poll
[21:44] <Pedrunn>
[21:44] <Tamerlin> yep...
[21:44] <MartinGuehmann> And we don't have the forces to do a two front war.
[21:44] <Zaphod> that would be foolish, we couldn't stand another war
[21:44] <Pedrunn> true
[21:45] <Tamerlin> I agree
[21:45] <Pedrunn> I just want to destroy it.
[21:45] <Pedrunn>
[21:45] <Pedrunn> Tell the german it is nothing personal
[21:45] <Tamerlin> Better ask them to give us this city...
[21:45] <Zaphod> bribe some barbs to do the dirty work
[21:45] <MartinGuehmann> Yeah it should go, but we have still the German size 7 stack at the German border.
[21:46] <Pedrunn> True
[21:46] <Pedrunn> Lets move the units
[21:46] <MartinGuehmann> Well That would be something for a new mod, Zaphod.
[21:46] <MartinGuehmann> OK, let's move the units.
[21:46] <Tamerlin> Good sight?
[21:46] <Zaphod> yep, thinking about it
[21:46] <Pedrunn> Is there a samurai near the Pedrunnia settler in your games?
[21:47] <Tamerlin> East of the Archer
[21:47] <Zaphod> btw, did the barbs ever establish an embassy at your country? i once had that strange occurance
[21:47] <MartinGuehmann> I don't see any Barbarians in my game.
[21:47] <Tamerlin> Never heard about that...
[21:47] <Pedrunn> Thats why you did not reload probably
[21:47] <MartinGuehmann> Yeah diplomod is a strance thing, especially in Craddle.
[21:48] <MartinGuehmann> OK, let's move Bait.
[21:48] <Tamerlin> I have one Samurai barbarian on the river tile east of the Archer moving to Graz
[21:48] <Tamerlin> North?
[21:48] <Zaphod> me too, but martin doesn't
[21:48] <Pedrunn> ORDER: Bait north
[21:48] <Tamerlin> done
[21:48] <MartinGuehmann> Done
[21:49] <Pedrunn> ORDER: Good Sight SW
[21:49] <MartinGuehmann> Done
[21:49] <Tamerlin> done
[21:49] <MartinGuehmann> Lemuforce?
[21:50] <Pedrunn> ORDER: Lemuforce south then SW
[21:50] <Tamerlin> done
[21:50] <MartinGuehmann> Done
[21:51] <Pedrunn> ORDER: Pedrunnia Archer in the river W then NW
[21:51] <MartinGuehmann> Done
[21:51] <Tamerlin> done
[21:52] <MartinGuehmann> New Archer in H Town?
[21:52] <Pedrunn> How many units from H Town to attack Lins?
[21:52] <Pedrunn> new archer?
[21:53] <Zaphod> none i'd say, there 2h/2a there now. we can move some units from graz behind the lemuforce
[21:53] <MartinGuehmann> I hope you mean additional units from Graz?
[21:53] <Tamerlin> yes
[21:54] <Pedrunn> We have a 11 stack of Lemuforce that will receive an archer
[21:54] <Pedrunn> What about the other stack
[21:54] <Pedrunn> ?
[21:54] <Pedrunn> How many units should it get from Graz?
[21:54] <Tamerlin> 6, 3 H and 3 A
[21:54] <Zaphod> right
[21:54] <MartinGuehmann> We have ten units now in Graz
[21:55] <MartinGuehmann> Next turn another Hopelite
[21:55] <Tamerlin> yes
[21:55] <Pedrunn> So we will leave 3 units in Graz?
[21:55] <Tamerlin> 5
[21:55] <MartinGuehmann> I would take 8 units
[21:56] <Zaphod> thats no difference this turn anyways
[21:56] <Pedrunn> Still...
[21:57] <MartinGuehmann> Yeah I think we should take them next turn
[21:57] <MartinGuehmann> once the Lemuforce is on the way
[21:57] <Tamerlin> Units are produced quickly in Graz though...
[21:57] <Pedrunn> No i want themout now.
[21:58] <Zaphod> why now?
[21:58] <Tamerlin> The problem will be the same next turn.
[21:58] <MartinGuehmann> I think the bigger stack should arrive first Linz.
[21:58] <Pedrunn> Poll: Respond with a single number: How many units from Graz for the second stack?
[21:59] <Zaphod> 6
[21:59] <Pedrunn> 5 (leave 4 in Graz) or 7 eight (Leave 2 in Graz)
[21:59] <Tamerlin> True, I would vote for 7 units out of Graz, I would feel more secured with 4 units...
[21:59] <MartinGuehmann> 8 for the second stack
[21:59] <Pedrunn> Zaphod?
[22:00] <Tamerlin> 4 units to defend Graz I mean...
[22:00] <Zaphod> well, if i got that right, i have to push a "5" if i'm voting for 6 units? ;-) "5"
[22:00] <Pedrunn> Zaphod you agree with 5 units?
[22:00] <Pedrunn> so
[22:01] <Pedrunn> I say move 5 units from Graz to the archer now!
[22:01] <Tamerlin> Is this an Order Pedrunn?
[22:01] <MartinGuehmann> I don't think so
[22:01] <Pedrunn> No a question
[22:02] <Pedrunn> So, agreed
[22:02] <MartinGuehmann> NO, not quite shure
[22:02] <Pedrunn> ?
[22:02] <Zaphod> i don't see the point
[22:02] <Pedrunn> The point was the samurai but Martin cant see it
[22:03] <Tamerlin> I would prefer the archer to merge with Lemuforce and 6 units from Graz to follow Lemuforce.
[22:03] <MartinGuehmann> Post a screenshot
[22:03] <Zaphod> so if the president doesn't see it, it ain't there
[22:03] <MartinGuehmann> Well I am posting a screenshot
[22:03] <Pedrunn> Tamerlin what is the difference?
[22:03] <Tamerlin> Can I go out to moke a cigarette?
[22:03] <Pedrunn> That bad for your healthy
[22:03] <Zaphod> you are welcome to smoke here
[22:03] <Pedrunn> So no
[22:03] <Pedrunn>
[22:03] <Tamerlin>
[22:03] <Zaphod> its cold outside, you might get fever
[22:04] <Pedrunn> Or a lung tumor
[22:04] <Tamerlin> The weather is good in Toulouse, a bit like an erly Spring... the second case is more worrying.
[22:04] <Pedrunn>
[22:05] <MartinGuehmann> Screenshot posted.
[22:05] <Pedrunn> He is back again :shhh:
[22:05] <Tamerlin> Could you be 2 minutes longer Martin?
[22:06] <Zaphod> hihi, the field i have the samurai on is just outside of the screen
[22:06] <Tamerlin> Same thing for me!
[22:07] <Zaphod> so no need to worry
[22:07] <MartinGuehmann> Posting new screen
[22:07] <Tamerlin> Can I go out for 3 mn?
[22:07] <Pedrunn> sure! We were just fooling around
[22:07] <Zaphod> i don't think thats necessary, if you state, you don't see a barb, then i believe it
[22:08] <Tamerlin> Thanks, back in 3 mn...
[22:08] <Pedrunn> I dont He is a politician!!!!]
[22:08] <Zaphod> yes, and he is chief of the cartographers, so it won'zt help
[22:09] <Zaphod> never trust statistics you didn't fake yourself!
[22:09] <Pedrunn> Note: Just remembered i am a poltitician too
[22:09] <Pedrunn>
[22:09] <Zaphod> ooops, me too
[22:09] <MartinGuehmann> More around Graz has been posted.
[22:10] <Pedrunn>
[22:10] <MartinGuehmann> How many units can we now remove from Graz?
[22:10] <Pedrunn> I guess we remove them next turn
[22:10] <Zaphod> (y)
[22:10] <Pedrunn> So i am done...
[22:11] <Zaphod> what about the sliders?
[22:11] <Pedrunn> What bout them?
[22:11] <MartinGuehmann> Sliders: 4 KG food
[22:11] <Zaphod> (y)
[22:11] <Zaphod> we had to change them last turn
[22:12] <Pedrunn> did we?
[22:12] <MartinGuehmann> And grouped new Archer in H Town into the defenders of H Town
[22:12] <Pedrunn> Nobody told me that
[22:12] <MartinGuehmann> Yes we changed them to make Wels happy and gained one turn of sacience.
[22:12] <MartinGuehmann> sacience -> science
[22:13] <Pedrunn> whatever... Any other other?
[22:13] <Pedrunn> other = order
[22:13] <MartinGuehmann> Nothing left, so end turn?
[22:13] <Tamerlin> Coff! Coff! I am back...
[22:13] <Pedrunn>
[22:13] <MartinGuehmann> End Turn?
[22:14] <Pedrunn> i am ok with it
[22:14] <Zaphod> end turn
[22:14] <Tamerlin> I think we can... I am playing the music from Starship Troopers now we are marching on Linz...
[22:14] <Pedrunn> I loved that movie
[22:14] <Zaphod> lol, can you send me that music?
[22:14] <MartinGuehmann> END TURN 95

[Martin Gühmann]

[22:14] <Tamerlin>
[22:15] <Zaphod> turks begin ramayana
[22:15] <Pedrunn> Great! My archer got killed by the samurai
[22:15] <Zaphod> archer killed by nonexistand barb :-P
[22:15] <Pedrunn>
[22:15] <MartinGuehmann> Yes, Turks started the Ramajana, and the Indians started the Pyramid
[22:16] <MartinGuehmann>
[22:16] <Tamerlin> Mine also, the cheat menu will be of some help... Great Movie btw... no news about the Indians in my game...
[22:16] <Pedrunn> Yep lets cheat!!!!
[22:16] <Tamerlin>
[22:16] <Zaphod> well, in your game and mine they started last turn already @tamerlin
[22:16] <Pedrunn>
[22:17] <MartinGuehmann> Well so what I do with the killed Archer.
[22:17] <Pedrunn> Save the game Martin
[22:17] <MartinGuehmann> Saving Game...
[22:17] <Pedrunn> Yours is the only one actually working
[22:17] <Zaphod> do you have the german stack directly near the border?
[22:18] <Pedrunn> Oh oh i have
[22:18] <Zaphod> oh, and we forgot to expell the settler in the south
[22:18] <Tamerlin> I have removed the Samurai and created a new Archer...
[22:19] <Pedrunn> The samurai isnt going to bother me again for sure
[22:19] <Tamerlin> True for the german settler...
[22:19] <Pedrunn>
[22:19] <Tamerlin>
[22:19] <MartinGuehmann> Posting game ...
[22:19] <Pedrunn> Good Idea Martin
[22:19] <Pedrunn> Martin next time you should reload the game too
[22:20] <MartinGuehmann> Save game posted in the chat thread
[22:20] <Tamerlin> You are posting more quickly than your shadow...
[22:21] <Pedrunn> Lets move on. I have already loaded the saved
[22:22] <MartinGuehmann> OK, I fortified and grouped the new Hopelite in Wels, and lowered the food rations.
[22:22] <Zaphod> reality fixed!
[22:22] <Tamerlin> Still fixing it!
[22:22] <MartinGuehmann> OK, I have the Archer at the German border
[22:22] <Pedrunn> I guess due to the German stack we should send 2 units from CL
[22:23] <Pedrunn> to Mapfipolis
[22:23] <Pedrunn> And return the archer
[22:23] <MartinGuehmann> Well I would send the Archer to mapfipolis
[22:23] <Zaphod> fine, i'm just listening to the soundtrack of natural born killers :-)
[22:23] <MartinGuehmann> That is the way to go Pedrunn.
[22:23] <Zaphod> fine for me
[22:24] <Pedrunn> what about you tamerlin
[22:24] <MartinGuehmann> Tamerlin is still fixing reality...
[22:24] <Zaphod> brb
[22:25] <Pedrunn> I guess he is still fixing and we have 3 votes already
[22:25] <Pedrunn> ORDER: Move Archer back to mapfipolis
[22:25] <MartinGuehmann> Done
[22:25] <Pedrunn> ORDER: Move a Hoplite and a Archer from CL to Mapfipolis
[22:25] <Tamerlin> Fixed... the game, not me!
[22:26] <MartinGuehmann> Done
[22:26] <Pedrunn> Bait NW?
[22:26] <Zaphod> why not n?
[22:27] <MartinGuehmann> NW would reveal more tiles, so yes.
[22:27] <Pedrunn> to go NW then futuraly W covering all that area
[22:27] <Tamerlin> Agreed
[22:27] <Pedrunn> futuraly = in the future. I think i just made up that word
[22:27] <Pedrunn> ORDER: Bait NW!
[22:27] <Zaphod> its a fine word, i'm convinced
[22:28] <Tamerlin> Singing one....
[22:28] <MartinGuehmann> Order executed.
[22:28] <Pedrunn> ORDER: Goodsight W!
[22:28] <MartinGuehmann> Order executed.
[22:29] <Pedrunn> ORDER: Lemuforce South then South
[22:29] <Pedrunn> again
[22:29] <Zaphod> austrian stack!
[22:29] <Pedrunn> wow
[22:29] <MartinGuehmann> Order executed that revealed, an Austrian size 4 stack
[22:29] <Zaphod> h,s,2a
[22:29] <Pedrunn> And a good one!
[22:30] <Tamerlin> yes
[22:30] <Pedrunn> This will probably delay our plans but not much
[22:30] <Zaphod> yep
[22:30] <Tamerlin> Agreed
[22:31] <MartinGuehmann> So move the undead Archer to Lemuforce?
[22:31] <Zaphod> oh, and there is a roadtile
[22:31] <Pedrunn> So 5 units archer from Graz to Lemuforce
[22:31] <Zaphod> yep
[22:31] <Pedrunn> That was an order
[22:31] <Tamerlin> Curiously the title played is "The Bugs"... yes for the Archer.
[22:31] <Pedrunn> ORDER: Archer from Graz to Lemuforce!
[22:31] <MartinGuehmann> That's why the border looked so starnge
[22:32] <Tamerlin> Undead moved...
[22:32] <MartinGuehmann> A moment, I need to catch up
[22:32] <Zaphod> we could place a stack of 8 directly on the riverhill near the austrian force
[22:33] <Pedrunn> 5 units or 7 units removed from Graz? (yes again)
[22:33] <Pedrunn> Just say the number
[22:33] <MartinGuehmann> 7 units
[22:33] <Tamerlin> 7
[22:33] <Zaphod> well, depends upon where you want to move them
[22:34] <Pedrunn> To the archer direction
[22:34] <Zaphod> where the archer used to be?
[22:34] <Pedrunn> SE of Graz
[22:35] <Pedrunn> We could move south too
[22:35] <Pedrunn> But no other location as i see!
[22:35] <Zaphod> or west
[22:35] <Tamerlin> Or North...
[22:35] <Pedrunn> Having Lemuforce and the new stack fighting for a spot! No way
[22:36] <Tamerlin> Lemuforce and its support stack should follow the same path.
[22:36] <Zaphod> they aren't fightuing for a place, they are combining their zocs to hamper the movement of the austrian stack
[22:37] <Pedrunn> 2 agains 1
[22:37] <Pedrunn> I guess you guys whin. Where to go Martin?
[22:37] <Pedrunn> you didnt say
[22:38] <MartinGuehmann> Seven units SW
[22:38] <Tamerlin> Martin, btw the food setting can be lowered one degree again...
[22:38] <MartinGuehmann> Yes
[22:38] <Pedrunn> Lemuforce is SW
[22:39] <Pedrunn> I think you mean W
[22:39] <Pedrunn>
[22:39] <Zaphod> if we walk one after another thats no problem
[22:40] <MartinGuehmann> West and to make it clear then we have only the two stacks out of Graz?
[22:40] <Pedrunn> ORDER: Archer near Graz NW them W. And 7 units (4H and 3A) from Graz W
[22:42] <Zaphod> so, were gonna have a stack of 11 and one 8
[22:42] <MartinGuehmann> Order executed and all unit there grouped.
[22:42] <Pedrunn> No one 8 and another 12
[22:42] <MartinGuehmann> No we moved one unit out of Graz
[22:42] <Pedrunn> We sent an archer to Lemuforce
[22:42] <Tamerlin> I have a 12 units stack and a seven one...
[22:43] <Pedrunn> Did you moved the lonely archer?
[22:43] <MartinGuehmann> I many units do you have in Graz, Tamerlin?
[22:43] <Pedrunn> NW then W
[22:43] <Tamerlin> Yes but I think I have send it to Lemuforce, cheat menu again...
[22:43] <Pedrunn> No need
[22:44] <Pedrunn> Just send one from archer from Graz
[22:44] <Zaphod> you can move it up one step, still has half movement left
[22:44] <Pedrunn> I will be out for 5 minutes
[22:44] <MartinGuehmann> Yeah move one Archer from Graz
[22:44] <Tamerlin> done
[22:44] <Pedrunn> I think i am done for this turn
[22:44] <MartinGuehmann> OK, all unit movements done.
[22:44] <Tamerlin> so one 11 stack and a 8 one...
[22:45] <MartinGuehmann> Graz now has a happiness of 72
[22:45] <Pedrunn> Meanwhile Zaphod can take my place if anything happens
[22:45] <Zaphod> thank you
[22:45] <Tamerlin> Graz is 73 in my game... with four units.
[22:45] <Zaphod> no, a 12 and a 8 one now
[22:46] <MartinGuehmann> Yeah move one unit out of Graz.
[22:46] <Zaphod> 3 units in graz, at least thats what pedrunn ordered if i got that right
[22:46] <Tamerlin> OK, i need one more archer from Graz...
[22:47] <Tamerlin> done
[22:47] <Tamerlin> 2 H and one A left in Graz...
[22:48] <MartinGuehmann> Well, food slider set to 4 kg again to make Graz happy.
[22:48] <Tamerlin> Next Archer in Graz in 2 turns... food setting modified.
[22:48] <Zaphod> i would make an entertainer, doesn't slow production in graz
[22:49] <MartinGuehmann> Well, 5 turns to trade without entertainer and more food.
[22:49] <MartinGuehmann> So anything else left?
[22:49] <Tamerlin> Does not slow trade... do you want an order from me Martin?
[22:50] <MartinGuehmann> Is there anything left? If not we can end the turn.
[22:51] <Zaphod> we can end it
[22:51] <Tamerlin> So an entertainer in Graz and the food raiting lowered... if yes end turn!
[22:51] <MartinGuehmann> Well in my game it slows down the archer
[22:52] <Tamerlin> So, we raise the food setting?
[22:52] <Zaphod> odd, not in mine
[22:52] <Zaphod> arghs, that would be the fifth time i change food<->entertainer
[22:52] <MartinGuehmann> If I should add an entertainer, then I don't raise the food settings without the entertainer I don't raise it
[22:53] <MartinGuehmann> Now food or entertainer?
[22:53] <Zaphod> i vote entertainer
[22:53] <MartinGuehmann> Tamerlin?
[22:53] <Tamerlin> Martin?
[22:53] <Tamerlin>
[22:53] <Tamerlin> Entertainer
[22:54] <MartinGuehmann> OK, entertainer and low food setting.
[22:54] <MartinGuehmann> End turn?
[22:54] <Tamerlin> Yes
[22:54] <Zaphod> end trun
[22:54] <MartinGuehmann> END TURN 96

[Martin Gühmann]

[22:55] <Zaphod> german request for mapexchange
[22:55] <MartinGuehmann> For me too
[22:55] <MartinGuehmann> So let's agree
[22:55] <Zaphod> i'd say yes
[22:55] <Tamerlin> Yep, in mine also, agreed
[22:55] <MartinGuehmann> SO, exchange maps
[22:55] <Pedrunn> end turn. Am i late
[22:56] <Zaphod> germans begin pyramids
[22:56] <Tamerlin> Map exchange with Germany, wonder for my game also...
[22:56] <MartinGuehmann> In my game, too.
[22:56] <MartinGuehmann> Germans are building the Pyramid
[22:57] <Tamerlin> Austrian stack did not moved...
[22:57] <Pedrunn> Aceept of course, isnt?
[22:57] <Tamerlin> yes
[22:57] <Zaphod> neither in my game
[22:57] <Pedrunn> So here is the ghoust barb smurai
[22:58] <MartinGuehmann> The Austrians moved in my game
[22:58] <Pedrunn> Lets revenge the death of our not-dead archer!!!!
[22:58] <Tamerlin> We should expell the german settler NOW...
[22:58] <Zaphod> yes
[22:58] <Zaphod> to expell
[22:58] <MartinGuehmann> Yes expell it before they grap our land again
[22:58] <Zaphod> where did the stack move in the official game?
[22:58] <Pedrunn> ORDER: expell settler indeed
[22:59] <Pedrunn> In mine it moved too
[22:59] <Pedrunn> 2 tiles South of Lemuforce!
[22:59] <MartinGuehmann> Settler expelled with the new archer in mapfipolis
[22:59] <Pedrunn> Bye bye settler
[22:59] <Zaphod> he'll be back
[22:59] <Pedrunn>
[23:00] <MartinGuehmann> Well the Austrians are two tiles South of our 8 size stack
[23:00] <Pedrunn> Move units back to CL?
[23:00] <Pedrunn> Or keep them one turn away from both cities?
[23:00] <Zaphod> on the roadriverforrest? so lemuforce should crush them
[23:01] <Pedrunn> The Austrian stack is dead already
[23:01] <Pedrunn> just a matter of time
[23:01] <Zaphod> i'd keep them in the middle, and we can even make a bigger stack out of it now that we have new units in both towns
[23:01] <MartinGuehmann> I would move the units between CL and MP indeed back to CL
[23:01] <Tamerlin> IMO, MP is well defended that which CL is not, lets move them back to CL
[23:01] <MartinGuehmann> Yeah move them back
[23:02] <Pedrunn> What about the size 7 stack
[23:02] <Zaphod> did we have any losses?
[23:02] <Pedrunn> Should we give a look with the archer
[23:02] <Pedrunn> Moving it back and forth
[23:02] <Tamerlin> Nor Order to attack yet!
[23:02] <Zaphod> dÄaccord
[23:02] <MartinGuehmann> No German on my screen
[23:02] <Pedrunn> We cant see any german unit
[23:02] <Pedrunn>
[23:03] <Tamerlin> No Germans on mine except Zaphod and Martin...
[23:03] <Pedrunn> The exchange map does only work for their turn
[23:04] <Zaphod> lol
[23:04] <MartinGuehmann> So move an archer NE and then back to MP?
[23:04] <Pedrunn> ORDER: Move Archer NE
[23:04] <Pedrunn> of mapfipolis
[23:04] <Zaphod> its ne-ne-ne of mp
[23:05] <MartinGuehmann> done
[23:05] <Tamerlin> Yes
[23:05] <MartinGuehmann> NE E German size 7 stack
[23:05] <Zaphod> just inside their borders, seems they are really heading south and trying not to step on our soil
[23:05] <Pedrunn> i say keep the CL stack 1 turn away from both cities!
[23:05] <Tamerlin> It seems so!
[23:05] <Pedrunn> just for this turn!
[23:05] <MartinGuehmann> So fortify it were it is?
[23:06] <Pedrunn> ORDER: Fortify 2-sized stack from CL
[23:06] <Tamerlin> done
[23:06] <Zaphod> move the archer back, don't tease the germans ;.)
[23:06] <MartinGuehmann> Done, Goodsight?
[23:07] <Tamerlin> done... SW
[23:07] <Pedrunn> ORDER: Goodsight SW
[23:07] <Tamerlin> done
[23:07] <MartinGuehmann> Done
[23:07] <MartinGuehmann> Move Archer back?
[23:08] <Pedrunn> ORDER: Bait North
[23:08] <Tamerlin> done
[23:08] <MartinGuehmann> Bait moved North
[23:08] <Pedrunn> ORDER: Move Archer from mapfipolis back!
[23:08] <Tamerlin> done
[23:08] <MartinGuehmann> Done
[23:09] <Pedrunn> Lets kill som Austrian?
[23:09] <MartinGuehmann> Yes!
[23:09] <Tamerlin>
[23:09] <Zaphod> i though yuo did already
[23:09] <MartinGuehmann> No, just in his mind.
[23:09] <Zaphod> go lemurians, go!
[23:10] <Pedrunn> ORDER: Kill austrians with Lemuforce!
[23:10] <Tamerlin> I will have to use the cheat menu, just tell me the casualties...
[23:10] <Tamerlin> With which stack?
[23:11] <MartinGuehmann> No casulties, just to half damaged hopelites.
[23:11] <Tamerlin> Which stack?
[23:11] <Zaphod> the big one
[23:11] <MartinGuehmann> The big one is called Lemuforce the small one is not named.
[23:12] <Tamerlin> OK
[23:12] <MartinGuehmann> So let's call the small one Small Lemuforce.
[23:12] <Zaphod> nay
[23:12] <Zaphod> too confusing
[23:12] <Pedrunn> too big
[23:12] <MartinGuehmann> ok
[23:12] <Pedrunn> call it 'SmallOne'?
[23:12] <Pedrunn>
[23:13] <Zaphod> its not small
[23:13] <Tamerlin> Lemuforce is now S-S of the 8 stack? Tango?
[23:13] <MartinGuehmann> LinsTaker
[23:13] <Pedrunn> Lets kill some barbs now?
[23:13] <Pedrunn> dont know if its is a good idea
[23:13] <Tamerlin> Barbs? Where?
[23:14] <MartinGuehmann> Barbs? Where?
[23:14] <Zaphod> why not a simple "2nd Army" ?
[23:14] <Pedrunn> Didnt the Samurai appeared near Graz?
[23:14] <Zaphod> no, it was killed by the artillery i had to cheat in ;-)
[23:14] <MartinGuehmann> No Samurai near Graz.
[23:15] <Pedrunn> good
[23:15] <MartinGuehmann> So, let's continue
[23:16] <MartinGuehmann> We have the 8 size stack left
[23:16] <Tamerlin> South
[23:16] <Zaphod> s-sw
[23:16] <MartinGuehmann> S SW?
[23:16] <Pedrunn> W-SE
[23:16] <MartinGuehmann> Was that an order Pedrunn?
[23:17] <Pedrunn> no a question
[23:17] <Zaphod> in the west there's no river pedrunn, could only go w
[23:17] <MartinGuehmann> I agree with the suggestion
[23:17] <Tamerlin> So S-SW?
[23:17] <Pedrunn> there is Graz
[23:17] <MartinGuehmann> No, I meant with my szggestion
[23:18] <Zaphod> graz is e
[23:18] <MartinGuehmann> So S and SW?
[23:18] <Pedrunn> sorry i meant E-SE
[23:18] <Tamerlin> ??
[23:19] <Tamerlin> To the East is Graz Pedrunn...
[23:19] <Pedrunn> h no forget it
[23:19] <Pedrunn> I did some bad calculation
[23:19] <Zaphod> is that an order? ;-)
[23:20] <Tamerlin> S or S-SW Pedrunn?
[23:20] <MartinGuehmann> ok, so S and SW?
[23:20] <Pedrunn> ORDER: Move SmallOne south!
[23:20] <Tamerlin> done
[23:21] <MartinGuehmann> Done, half movement point left.
[23:21] <MartinGuehmann> Now SW on the river, or stand still or ...?
[23:21] <Tamerlin> I think he should stay here, we could reach Graz in one turn in case of an emergency...
[23:22] <Tamerlin> it...
[23:22] <Pedrunn> stand still
[23:22] <Pedrunn> ORDER: Stand Still
[23:22] <MartinGuehmann> OK
[23:22] <Pedrunn> Send two units from Graz to replace wounded hops. It wont delay the attack but can be very risky
[23:22] <Pedrunn> Thats a question
[23:23] <Zaphod> that would leave only one unit in graz
[23:23] <Zaphod> i''d prefer to exchange the wounded units between the two stacks
[23:23] <Zaphod> next turn
[23:24] <MartinGuehmann> And one more entertainer is needed.
[23:24] <Tamerlin> I think the exchanges can be done next turn.
[23:24] <Tamerlin> Yes, in H Town this is what I was checking.
[23:24] <Zaphod> yep., its down to 72
[23:24] <MartinGuehmann> Still have 73
[23:25] <Pedrunn> I will have to go very soon
[23:25] <MartinGuehmann> 4 kg food is given to the people.
[23:25] <Pedrunn> So send two hops from Graz? Yes or no?
[23:26] <Zaphod> btw, what does 4 kg mean? 4 kg a turn? so that would be 20 years? ;-)
[23:26] <MartinGuehmann> Yes
[23:26] <Tamerlin> done
[23:26] <Pedrunn> done what?
[23:26] <MartinGuehmann> kilogramm of food per turn
[23:26] <Tamerlin> Food setting
[23:26] <Pedrunn> yes or no? Tamerlin and Zaphod!
[23:27] <Zaphod> yep, i just think that might be toofew for 20 years ;-)
[23:27] <Zaphod> no, not this turn
[23:27] <Tamerlin> Unit Exchange, next turn IMO
[23:27] <Pedrunn> 2 x 2
[23:27] <Pedrunn> What about now?
[23:28] <MartinGuehmann> Well I think the MoD can now decide.
[23:28] <Pedrunn> I think we should do it. Any barb can reach us in the next turn
[23:28] <Zaphod> we can't exchange them now, they moved already
[23:28] <Pedrunn> We have everything covered up
[23:28] <Tamerlin> Should we ask for a map exchange with the neutral nations?
[23:29] <MartinGuehmann> No
[23:29] <Tamerlin> OK
[23:29] <MartinGuehmann> They won't give one without threatening.
[23:29] <Pedrunn> I have to go now!
[23:29] <Pedrunn>
[23:29] <Pedrunn> Sorry
[23:29] <Pedrunn> already late
[23:29] <Pedrunn> you guys decide
[23:29] <MartinGuehmann> Bye, Pedrunn
[23:29] <Zaphod> no problem
[23:29] <Pedrunn> Bye!
[23:29] <Tamerlin> Bye Pedrunn... beware of the bugs
[23:29] <Zaphod> cu
[23:29] * Pedrunn has left #Lemuria
[23:30] <Tamerlin> So end turn?
[23:30] <MartinGuehmann> Yes, end turn, Zaphod?
[23:30] <Zaphod> if theres no problem with h.twon id say yes
[23:30] <Tamerlin> Problem solved
[23:30] <Zaphod> ok
[23:30] <Tamerlin> Bread and games...
[23:30] <MartinGuehmann> So end turn?
[23:31] <Tamerlin> yes
[23:31] <MartinGuehmann> END TURN 97
[23:31] <Zaphod> map exchange from the turks
[23:31] <Zaphod> thai
[23:31] <Zaphod> turks began appian way
[23:31] <Zaphod> and a size 7 stack from austria
[23:31] <MartinGuehmann> Yes to both
[23:32] <Tamerlin> map exchange from the Thai
[23:32] <MartinGuehmann> So accept map exange?
[23:32] <Zaphod> accept
[23:33] <Tamerlin> No map exchange from the turks and the stack is from Scotland in my game
[23:33] <MartinGuehmann> Yes the stack in my game is also from Scottland
[23:34] <Zaphod> youre right, confused the colors
[23:34] <Tamerlin> ok
[23:34] <Zaphod> do you have that barb near pedrunnia?
[23:34] <MartinGuehmann> And it looks we did not take care enough on H Town.
[23:35] <MartinGuehmann> No Barbs near Pedrunnia
[23:35] <Tamerlin> Riots?
[23:35] <MartinGuehmann> Yes riots in H Town.
[23:35] <Tamerlin> Neither in mine
[23:35] <Zaphod> well, it seems the problem has only been solved in your game
[23:35] <Zaphod> i had riots as well
[23:36] <MartinGuehmann> I would say give them an entertainer
[23:36] <Zaphod> i'd say so too
[23:36] <Tamerlin> I still have a 73 happiness rating... ORDER: one entertainer in H Town
[23:36] <Zaphod> but lets move units
[23:36] <Zaphod> do you see that thai stack of five near goodsight?
[23:37] <Tamerlin> yes
[23:37] <MartinGuehmann> One entertainer for H Town added.
[23:37] <Tamerlin> OK, Goodsight should go to the SW
[23:37] <MartinGuehmann> Yes a Thai stack near Goodsight
[23:38] <MartinGuehmann> I agree
[23:38] <MartinGuehmann> Zaphod?
[23:38] <Zaphod> already did so
[23:38] <MartinGuehmann> So Goodsight goes now SW.
[23:38] <Tamerlin> done
[23:39] <MartinGuehmann> Done
[23:39] <MartinGuehmann> Bait should now go North, actual I think the best choice.
[23:39] <Zaphod> agreed
[23:39] <Tamerlin> North
[23:39] <MartinGuehmann> Tamerlin?
[23:39] <Tamerlin> done
[23:40] <Zaphod> archer from mp scouting aling the river
[23:40] <MartinGuehmann> You mean one NE and then back?
[23:41] * Disconnected
Session Close: Sun Mar 09 23:41:23 2003

Session Start: Sun Mar 09 23:43:49 2003
Session Ident: #Lemuria
[23:43] * Now talking in #Lemuria
[23:43] * Topic is 'CtP2 Democracy Game'
[23:43] * Set by Locutus on Wed Feb 26 00:58:10
[23:43] <Zaphod> i'd suggest 1.) to move the healthy units from lemuforce se and fill up with hoplites from the 2nd force
[23:44] <Zaphod> moin martin 2nd
[23:44] <Tamerlin> Hi MartinG
[23:44] <MartinG> Well, I lost the connection to Apolyton.
[23:44] <Tamerlin> OK
[23:44] * MartinGuehmann has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[23:44] <Zaphod> there you go
[23:44] <MartinG> Last think I have: <MartinGuehmann> You mean one NE and then back?
[23:44] <Tamerlin> yep
[23:45] <Zaphod> yep
[23:45] <MartinG> OK, doing it.
[23:46] <Tamerlin> Why not pushing a bit further since there is nothing in view?
[23:46] <MartinG> No germans discovered.
[23:46] <Tamerlin> in sight...
[23:46] <MartinG> OK, replacing the wounded units in Lemuforce
[23:46] <Tamerlin> Forget it
[23:47] <MartinG> I would move the damaged ones from Lemuforce to SmallOne
[23:47] <Tamerlin> OK
[23:47] <Zaphod> me too
[23:47] <MartinG> And use healthy ones from SmallOne for the LemuForce.
[23:47] <Tamerlin> OK
[23:48] <Zaphod> and then move lemuforce se
[23:48] <MartinG> OK now we have to replace the units from SmallOne
[23:49] <MartinG> We coul move units from Graz.
[23:49] <Tamerlin> Yes, one turn later to have fully replaced units...
[23:50] <MartinG> Actual we could replace the units now in SmallOne.
[23:50] <MartinG> So what to do?
[23:50] <Zaphod> that would leave only 1 unit in graz
[23:50] <Tamerlin> Yes but we will have wounded units in SmallOne
[23:50] <Tamerlin> I don't like the idea of a single unit in Graz.
[23:50] <Zaphod> me neither
[23:51] <Zaphod> and the citizens wont like it neither and cry for entertainers
[23:52] <MartinG> OK leave the units there now, but that means the Lemuforce has to stand still as I think it is better that both armies arrive only with a delay of one turn in Lins.
[23:52] <Tamerlin> Yes
[23:52] <Zaphod> ok
[23:53] <MartinG> So that should be then everything this turn, so end turn?
[23:53] <Zaphod> end
[23:54] <Tamerlin> End
[23:54] <MartinG> END TURN 98
[23:55] <Zaphod> turks began chichen itza
[23:55] <Zaphod> goodsight cornered by thai stack on the indian border
[23:55] <Tamerlin> yes
[23:56] <Zaphod> scot stack moved se towards linz
[23:56] <Zaphod> we might need to hurry up before they take it
[23:56] <MartinG> The Germans nearly finished the Ramajana, more then 9000 gold to buy it
[23:56] <Tamerlin> I didn't had this message...
[23:57] <Zaphod> me neither
[23:57] <MartinG> Unfortunatly I got this message.
[23:57] <Tamerlin>
[23:57] <Zaphod> damn
[23:58] <Zaphod> how long does that mean? 3 turns or 5?
[23:58] <MartinG> I could put the Chinchen Itza as next wonder into the build queue and if the Germans finish it we would save the production.
[23:58] <MartinG> I think it means if we don't buy it now they will build it.
[23:58] <Tamerlin> There is nothing we can do and the disbanded units would have not been enough... 1 or 2, we only have Pyramids available, go on.
[23:59] <MartinG> I have the Chinchen Itza in addition
[23:59] <Tamerlin> You are right, I am loosing my concentration
[23:59] <Zaphod> and the pyramids, you can place in both to be sure
[00:00] <Tamerlin> We should perhaps end the Turn Chat now...
[00:00] <Zaphod> i think so
[00:00] <MartinG> So I insert Chinchen Itza and the Pyramid just after the Ramajana to make shure.
[00:00] <Tamerlin> Yes
[00:00] <Zaphod> yep
[00:02] <MartinG> Insereted both wonderes after the Ramajana.
[00:02] <Zaphod> save, post game and end gamechat i suggest
[00:02] <Tamerlin> Agreed
[00:03] <MartinG> I think we should end this turn before.
[00:03] <Zaphod> i don't think so, we could still try to run for the wonder by disbanding units
[00:03] <Zaphod> but that should be decided by the people
[00:03] <Zaphod> not just us 3
[00:04] <MartinG> OK, then at least move the remaining units.
[00:04] <Tamerlin> Unfortunately we don't have the time, the Germans will have finished the wonder in 1, 2 or 3 turns and we don't have enough money.
[00:04] <MartinG> So let's go for Bait
[00:04] <MartinG> I would say North
[00:04] <Tamerlin> Yes
[00:04] <Zaphod> i still say lets not move at all
[00:05] <MartinG> We can still move the explorers
[00:05] <Zaphod> it could be 4 or 5 turns as well, we don't know
[00:05] <Zaphod> ok, that will only be bait
[00:05] <MartinG> If we don't rush buy it this turn then the Germans will build it.
[00:05] <Zaphod> north is fine
[00:06] <MartinG> Then we have Goodsight, he should go SW
[00:06] <MartinG> along the Indian border
[00:07] <Tamerlin> Mine is cornered by the Thais, if yours is not go!
[00:07] <Zaphod> same as tamerlin
[00:07] <MartinG> No Thais there, so I go SW
[00:07] <Tamerlin> ok
[00:08] <MartinG> Done
[00:08] <MartinG> I grouped all the new defenders into the Defending forces.
[00:08] <Tamerlin> ok
[00:09] <MartinG> So, I would say that should it be now.
[00:09] <Tamerlin> I am sorry to leave you so abruptly but I must go now... is it OK?
[00:09] <Zaphod> of course, we are at the end anyways
[00:09] <MartinG> Yes, I want now to end the chat.
[00:09] <Zaphod> cu
[00:09] <MartinG> bye
[00:09] <Tamerlin> Thanks, bye...
[00:09] * Tamerlin has quit IRC (Quit: )
[00:09] <MartinG> Ok, let's end the chat.
[00:10] <MartinG> END OF 13th TURN CHAT

[Tamerlin]

Thanks Martin, you have been in charge of most of the work as president, screenshot maker and chat transcriptor. I am currently getting used to Fireworks 4 and when I have earned enough experience I will be able to help you with the screenshots.

Thanks again!

[Pedrunn]

It was a very fun chat. My buddies miggio, Tamerlin and Zhapod did make me have fun And a special congrats to Martin like Tamerlin said he was incredible.

Now i need some threads to make

[J Bytheway]

Sorry I didn't join you. I was playing the LOTR scenario and forgot all about it .

[Pedrunn]

I saw you on-line! I even mentioned your name in the chat. I knew i should have sent you a PM