10th Turn Chat (From Turn 78 in the year 2440BC)

[Martin Gühmann]

The save game after the battle of Graz.

[Locutus]

Turn 83 (this just keeps getting better and better...)

[Locutus]

Chat Report

[22:03] <MartinGuehmann> So TURN CHAT STARTS NOW
[22:04] <MartinGuehmann> The first thing I have to do is filling the build queues
[22:04] <mrbaggins> are the orders clear to you, Martin
[22:04] <MartinGuehmann> unfortunatly MrBaggins posted his orders just before the chat
[22:04] <mrbaggins> or do you need me to clarify them?
[22:06] <MartinGuehmann> OK I did the change in CL
[22:06] <mrbaggins> cool..
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[22:06] <mrbaggins> did anyone notice the missing tech btw?
[22:06] <mrbaggins> ahh.. we have an MoD *smiles*
[22:06] <maq> evening
[22:06] <Locutus>
[22:07] <MartinGuehmann> It is better to do the build queues later
[22:07] <Locutus> hi, maq
[22:07] <MartinGuehmann> Hi Maq
[22:07] <maq> hey
[22:07] <Locutus> ehm, mrb, didn't follow the savegame discussion?
[22:07] <mrbaggins> no, Locutus
[22:07] <mrbaggins> I guess I should
[22:08] <MartinGuehmann> In the meantime I replaced the savegame by a healthy one
[22:08] <mrbaggins> I agree, Martin... they can really wait until after the Graz attack. Our building strat changes then
[22:08] <Locutus> well, to summarize: Martin replaced about a gazillion times to get the tech back but leave everything else more or less unchanged. a new savegame has been uploaded, with some (very) minor changes
[22:08] <MartinGuehmann> Same research options but H Town needs one more turn to finish the hopelite
[22:08] <mrbaggins> ok... i'm gonna load the altenate one
[22:09] <Locutus> replaced = replayed BTW
[22:09] <MartinGuehmann> Oh and by the no one should forget to reloadslic
[22:10] <Locutus> so, what's next? moving units?
[22:10] <MartinGuehmann> Yes moving units
[22:11] <MartinGuehmann> So I would go first for the easiest one
[22:11] <MartinGuehmann> That would be the lonely warrior that should be called Bait
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[22:11] <Locutus> yes, that one should go into pressburg
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[22:12] <MartinGuehmann> Yes I do it now
[22:12] <Miggio> pedrunn has posted this:TURN 1: Move Hoplite near CL to CL.
[22:13] <Miggio> in the 10th turn chat thread
[22:13] <MartinGuehmann> Yes Miggio but that is only one of the two alternatives
[22:13] <Miggio> true
[22:13] <Miggio> which are we going with
[22:14] <MartinGuehmann> That depends on if we all accept the risks that will take the first plan with it
[22:14] <Locutus> that unit should go to CL regardless of what we're doing in the rest of the game
[22:14] <Miggio> i accept them
[22:14] <Locutus> me too, obviously
[22:14] <MartinGuehmann> Yes and has an automated move order
[22:15] <MartinGuehmann> and it is already executed
[22:15] <mrbaggins> option A)
[22:15] <mrbaggins> plan 1
[22:15] <Locutus> indeed, on my game too
[22:15] <MartinGuehmann> Wel I accept also the first plan
[22:15] <Locutus> mrb already accepted it in the forum, so unless he changed his mind that makes 4/7
[22:16] <mrbaggins> I think the people who voiced an opinion mainly spoke in favor of going for Graz ASAP
[22:16] <mrbaggins> so plan 1 is it
[22:16] <Locutus> indeed
[22:16] <MartinGuehmann> Yeah but I like also to haer the opion of the others
[22:16] <mrbaggins> sure
[22:16] <Locutus> only pedrunn was critical about it, initially...
[22:16] <MartinGuehmann> If noone object now it is plan 1
[22:17] <mrbaggins> silence denotes consent
[22:17] <Miggio> no objection here
[22:17] <Locutus> what mrbaggins said
[22:17] <MartinGuehmann> Yes so it is plan 1
[22:17] <mapfi> sound good but I have no clue anyway - haven't caught up with all the threads yet
[22:17] <Miggio> :b
[22:17] <mrbaggins> so thats another yes
[22:18] <Locutus> so, next step: move 1a1h from CL to Ped
[22:18] <MartinGuehmann> So next step is to move the two units from CL to Pedrunnia
[22:18] <Miggio> yup
[22:18] <Miggio> Move all the Four units from Pedrunnia (2H and a 2A) to Graz by the path: NW, NW, W, W, W, N (this last one far from Graz)
[22:19] <Locutus> one turn at a time - we might encounter barbs/austrians...
[22:20] <Miggio> thats the same turn
[22:20] <Miggio> different set of units
[22:20] <Locutus> nw, nw is, the wwwn part isn't
[22:20] <mrbaggins> agreed
[22:20] <MartinGuehmann> Units from Pedrunnia moved
[22:20] <MartinGuehmann> and unit from CL moved
[22:20] <Miggio> Move all 2A/1H from Pressburg to south
[22:20] <Locutus> wait, is that right?
[22:21] <Miggio> thats from the thread
[22:21] <mrbaggins> thats the thread
[22:21] <Locutus> my original plan said 2 units, not 3. of course, 3 is also possible but that will leave Pressburg even more vulnerable...
[22:21] <MartinGuehmann> Yeah it is risky
[22:21] <mrbaggins> 3 is ok
[22:21] <Miggio> how many units will be left in press
[22:21] <Locutus> just a warrior
[22:21] <mrbaggins> move 1 from HTown
[22:21] <MartinGuehmann> One wounded warrior
[22:21] <Miggio> bait right
[22:22] <MartinGuehmann> Yes
[22:22] <Miggio> i would say only move 2 then
[22:22] <Locutus> (and a hoplite next turn if we rush-buy it)
[22:22] <mrbaggins> The movement in front of HTown protects it a bit...
[22:22] <mrbaggins> i think we go with 3
[22:22] <mrbaggins> seriously... we shouldn't nit pick here
[22:22] <mrbaggins> better too many than too few
[22:22] <mrbaggins> move 1 troop from HTown north
[22:23] <mrbaggins> or better
[22:23] <Locutus> well, if we change the production to archer and rush-buy it (if needed), I can live with 3. even safer in the attack
[22:23] <mrbaggins> move 2 from Pressburg
[22:23] <mrbaggins> one from HTown
[22:23] <Locutus> we already plan on using ALL troops in H Town, mrbaggins...
[22:23] * mrbaggins smiles
[22:24] <mrbaggins> ok then
[22:24] <MartinGuehmann> so we do the risky plan three then
[22:24] <mrbaggins> its ok with me
[22:24] <Miggio> yes
[22:24] <Locutus> so, leave just the warrior in P-burg?
[22:24] <MartinGuehmann> Yes
[22:24] <mrbaggins> i think warrior/Hoplite should be ok
[22:24] <Locutus> I say yes too
[22:24] <MartinGuehmann> So any objections?
[22:24] <Locutus> warrior+archer would be better, MrB.
[22:24] <Locutus> if we change produciton...
[22:25] <mrbaggins> true...
[22:25] <mrbaggins> ok.. change production
[22:25] <mrbaggins> to archer
[22:25] <MartinGuehmann> So 3 units and production to archer
[22:25] <mrbaggins> yes
[22:25] <mrbaggins> and rush it
[22:25] <mrbaggins> 215 gold
[22:25] <mrbaggins> agreed?
[22:25] <MartinGuehmann> and adding up to 4 units to the build queue
[22:25] <Locutus> yup
[22:26] <mrbaggins> thats fine, Martin, except I plan on changing it post Graz, anyway
[22:26] <MartinGuehmann> 215 gold agreed
[22:27] <HTower> gtg, group meeting for school calls me
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[22:27] <Miggio> bye H
[22:27] <MartinGuehmann> added archer and hoplite to the build queue and deleted the first item and rush bought the archer
[22:27] <MartinGuehmann> Bye H
[22:27] <Locutus> he's already gone
[22:27] <mrbaggins> Don't we have to move the Lemuforce this turn?
[22:28] <MartinGuehmann> I think we don't have to move it
[22:28] <Locutus> the 12 stack? well, if we want to keep the plan secret, then no. if we want to keep an eye on Graz, then yes. what do we want?
[22:28] <mrbaggins> i say move now
[22:28] <MartinGuehmann> But we could expell the settler
[22:29] <mrbaggins> if they leave the city, I want to know about it
[22:29] <mrbaggins> (the Graz stack)
[22:29] <Miggio> well if they see a 12 stack comming they will send more our way
[22:29] <Miggio> units that is
[22:29] <mrbaggins> mini vote?
[22:29] <MartinGuehmann> I don't think they will leave the city
[22:30] <mrbaggins> i've seen it happen plenty of times in SAP2 games
[22:30] <Locutus> yeah, frenzy can do things like that sometimes
[22:30] <mapfi> 2nd baggins
[22:30] <mrbaggins> i vote move
[22:30] <MartinGuehmann> Well so let's move it to see
[22:30] <Locutus> reluctantly 2nd mrbaggins...
[22:30] <Miggio> yes lets move
[22:30] <mrbaggins> SW
[22:31] <MartinGuehmann> As I said I vote move it too
[22:31] <mapfi> what settler is that you were talking about?
[22:31] <MartinGuehmann> It is a Scottish settler
[22:31] <Miggio> near H town
[22:31] <mrbaggins> SW-SW rather
[22:31] <Locutus> agreed, sw-sw
[22:32] <MartinGuehmann> I can only move it one tile SW
[22:32] <mrbaggins> huh?
[22:32] <mrbaggins> odd
[22:32] <Locutus> why?
[22:32] <MartinGuehmann> It is not on the river
[22:32] <Locutus> uhm, it is...
[22:33] <mrbaggins> river and then more river
[22:33] <Locutus> sw is river
[22:34] <MartinGuehmann> Could you post a screenshot
[22:34] <Miggio> there is one http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...6&pagenumber=2
[22:34] <MartinGuehmann> to see that we are talking about the same situation
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[22:35] <Miggio> mapfi_
[22:35] <mapfi_> bad connection - as I said
[22:35] <Miggio> ?!?!
[22:35] <Miggio> oh
[22:35] <Locutus> the stack is sw of HT, the river sw of the stack
[22:36] <MartinGuehmann> OK I got it
[22:36] <Miggio> ??river with farm or not??
[22:36] <MartinGuehmann> So SW SW
[22:36] <Locutus> no, that's south. sw-sw has no form (but it is river+grassland)
[22:37] <Locutus> farm, rather
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[22:37] <Locutus> ouch...
[22:37] <Miggio> lol map
[22:37] <mapfi__> sorry
[22:37] <Locutus> shall I kick the old ones?
[22:37] <mapfi__> please do
[22:37] * mapfi was kicked by Locutus (Locutus)
[22:37] * mapfi_ was kicked by Locutus (Locutus)
[22:38] <maq> made it look like there was more people
[22:38] <MartinGuehmann> So before I move the size 12 stack I think we have to talk about the slider settings
[22:39] <MartinGuehmann> without the martial law Pressburg and H Town will riot next turn
[22:40] <Locutus> yeayeah, HTown and Pressburg are unhappy, and that's not gonna get better anytime soon. turn the food slider up a notch, I say...
[22:40] <Miggio> pedrunn suggested to minimise the food slider
[22:40] <Locutus> rations, that is
[22:40] * mapfi__ is now known as mapfi
[22:40] <mrbaggins> i think so
[22:40] <mapfi> yep, move the food slider
[22:41] <maq> whats the wages slider on?
[22:41] <MartinGuehmann> Yeah one or two notches
[22:41] <Locutus> everything is maxed out right now
[22:41] <MartinGuehmann> the other sliders are maxed out
[22:41] <mrbaggins> 2 notches
[22:41] <Locutus> no, 1 should do
[22:41] <mrbaggins> 2 notches works
[22:41] <mrbaggins> no one starves
[22:41] <maq> id sacrifice more wages...
[22:41] <MartinGuehmann> 2 notches for shure
[22:41] <Locutus> oh wait, wrong mod
[22:41] <MartinGuehmann> 1 notch for possible
[22:42] <MartinGuehmann> actual only wrong government
[22:42] <MartinGuehmann> so I go for two
[22:42] <Miggio> i 2nd that
[22:42] <Locutus> 1 notch gives 74 happiness. we need those units in HTown, or the city will be undefended. so let's play safe and go for 2 for the moment (change back ASAP)
[22:43] <mrbaggins> no wage notches needed
[22:43] <mrbaggins> go with 2 notches on food
[22:43] <MartinGuehmann> ok I moved the units out of Pressburg
[22:43] <Locutus> sorry, 72, not 74
[22:43] <Locutus> btw, shall we change production in pedrunnia from archer to hoplite? It has 1a now with 1a1h underway...
[22:44] <MartinGuehmann> Yup that would be better
[22:44] <mrbaggins> no, Locutus...
[22:44] <MartinGuehmann> No, why
[22:44] <mrbaggins> its partially going to provide Pedrunnia with defense
[22:44] <mrbaggins> those were my thoughts
[22:44] <mrbaggins> oh.. my bad
[22:44] <Locutus> why not, mrbaggins? that leaves a more balanced army? it needs those hoplites anyway...
[22:44] <mrbaggins> yes
[22:45] <mrbaggins> lets go with hoplite
[22:45] <mrbaggins> it'll be done prior to Graz attack
[22:45] <mrbaggins> so go ahead
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[22:46] <MartinGuehmann> So inserted hoplite at the front of the queue and inserted an hpelite between the archers
[22:46] <mapfi_> yehaa - i'm sorry, not my day today - i'm going now anyway, just wanted to say good bye
[22:46] <MartinGuehmann> So good bye
[22:46] <Miggio> bye mapfi
[22:46] <maq> g'night
[22:46] <mapfi_> maq, actually the night's just about to start...
[22:47] <MartinGuehmann>
[22:47] <mrbaggins> so can we move the 12 stack now?
[22:47] <mrbaggins>
[22:47] <Locutus> bye, mapfi
[22:47] <MartinGuehmann> Of course if you confirm the changes to the build queue I made
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[22:47] <Locutus> yeah, move the stack already
[22:47] <mrbaggins> MoDA: confirmed, Martin... hoplite, archer, hoplite archer in Pedrunnia
[22:48] * mapfi was kicked by Locutus (Locutus)
[22:48] <Miggio> lol
[22:48] <MartinGuehmann> Moved stack SW SW
[22:48] <MartinGuehmann> We can see Graz now
[22:48] <maq> i take it no ones doing screenshots tonight? that wouldve been helpful
[22:48] <Locutus> good
[22:48] <MartinGuehmann> SO END TURN
[22:48] <mrbaggins> save... and we can do screenshots later
[22:48] <Locutus> no
[22:48] <mrbaggins> END TURN
[22:48] <MartinGuehmann> Yeah save first
[22:48] <Locutus> should we rush-buy then unit in town?
[22:48] <Locutus> htown
[22:49] <mrbaggins> htown?
[22:49] <Locutus> it's gonna be with 0 defenses in 2 turns. we need to get those back up to level ASAP
[22:49] <Locutus> already lost a turn due to martin's replaying
[22:50] <Locutus> it'll cost 753
[22:50] <mrbaggins> i don't have an absolute opinion
[22:50] <mrbaggins> its a lot of cash
[22:50] <mrbaggins> do you have an opinion, Locutus?
[22:50] <Locutus> I do I think it's needed
[22:50] <MartinGuehmann> So I saw one Austrian unit entering Graz, I think it was a hoplite
[22:50] <mrbaggins> Martin?
[22:50] <mrbaggins> too late
[22:51] <Locutus> damn you martin, I said no!
[22:51] <Locutus> oh well...
[22:51] <MartinGuehmann> Damn ...
[22:51] <mrbaggins> I saw it too
[22:51] <Miggio> that would probally put graz at 12defenders
[22:51] <MartinGuehmann> ok ..
[22:51] <mrbaggins> we'll still be ok...
[22:51] <mrbaggins> they are frontline heavy
[22:51] <Miggio> true
[22:52] <MartinGuehmann> So let's continue
[22:52] <mrbaggins> move CL stack to Pedrunnia
[22:52] <maq> park the stack outside their city and see if they attack us
[22:52] <Locutus> yeah, a hoplite moved in
[22:52] <MartinGuehmann> H Town has a happiness of 72
[22:52] <Locutus> with 2 stacks we can manage probably...
[22:53] <Locutus> 72? how can that be?
[22:53] <mrbaggins> are you sure Martin? its 73 in my game
[22:53] <mrbaggins> what do you have your food slider set to?
[22:53] <mrbaggins> and how many defenders?
[22:53] <Locutus> it's 72 in mine too
[22:54] <MartinGuehmann> food slider gives +1 happiness
[22:54] <mrbaggins> right
[22:54] <mrbaggins> f*** i left a wage slider set to 1 notch
[22:54] <MartinGuehmann> food slider is set as discribed 2 nothches
[22:54] <Locutus> ouch, war discontent - that might be the culprit...
[22:55] <mrbaggins> yes... war discontent... but what are we gonna do?
[22:55] <MartinGuehmann> yes -1
[22:55] <MartinGuehmann> Well we could leave it and hope the hopelite is finished next turn
[22:55] <MartinGuehmann> or we can rush buy it
[22:55] <Miggio> move the 12 stack back into our territory
[22:55] <Locutus> hmm, increase wages for 1 turn? to at least make sure the city will have 1 defender?
[22:55] <Miggio> that will get rid of war dis
[22:56] <Locutus> no, that stack is needed where it is
[22:56] <mrbaggins> no, miggio... we have to move on now
[22:56] <mrbaggins> i'm ok with a notch on the wages slider
[22:56] <Locutus> the slider loss will be more than made up for if we take graz...
[22:56] <Miggio> i really need a screen shot
[22:57] <mrbaggins> the Graz area, Miggio?
[22:57] <Locutus> k, booting up PSP
[22:57] <MartinGuehmann> Yeah one notch will do it
[22:57] <Miggio> yes pls
[22:57] <maq> 2 stacks will be close...
[22:57] <MartinGuehmann> So I will add one notch
[22:58] <mrbaggins> so...stack from Pressburg SE-SE?
[22:59] <MartinGuehmann> So then they are in H Town
[22:59] <mrbaggins> that puts it into HTown and cures happiness for next turn
[22:59] <Locutus> to H Town indeed
[22:59] <MartinGuehmann> That means I don't need to move the slider
[22:59] <mrbaggins> and no need for a slider move
[22:59] <mrbaggins> right
[22:59] <Locutus> good point
[23:00] <MartinGuehmann> so it goes to H Town
[23:00] <mrbaggins> everyone agrees?
[23:00] <Locutus> I had actually calculated that in in my plan - already forgot about that
[23:00] <Miggio> i agree
[23:00] <mrbaggins> ok.. reset the slider and move the units then
[23:00] <MartinGuehmann> So it is done and the slider is reset
[23:01] <mrbaggins> move the 12 stack to the forest
[23:01] <mrbaggins> and move the pedrunnia stack w
[23:01] <Locutus> screenshot posted for miggio (not that there's much to see)
[23:01] <mrbaggins> but that should be simon says *G*
[23:01] <Miggio> Meet all H Tower units with units from Pressburg (W). Call 'back up'
[23:02] <Locutus>
[23:02] <Miggio> thanks
[23:02] <MartinGuehmann> Yes I give it a pathed move order so it will move three times West
[23:02] <Locutus> don't give it a path order - we may encounter unexpected company and we don't want the army to move on its own before that...
[23:02] <mrbaggins> can't move this turn, but will next, right?
[23:03] <Locutus> damn, sorry, screenshot screwed up. will do it again
[23:03] <mrbaggins> agreed, Locutus... please cancel pathed order
[23:03] <Miggio> ok
[23:03] <MartinGuehmann> pathed move order cancled
[23:04] <mrbaggins> 12 stack in forest?
[23:04] <mrbaggins> (fortify?)
[23:04] <mrbaggins> end turn
[23:04] <mrbaggins> (if you all agree)
[23:05] <MartinGuehmann> End Turn not yet
[23:06] <Locutus> agree
[23:06] <Locutus> what's left, martin?

[Locutus]

[23:06] <Locutus> screenie *is* posted now
[23:06] <Miggio> i see it thanks
[23:07] <MartinGuehmann> Some troops from CL to Pedrunnia, but they will move on their own
[23:07] <mrbaggins> ok
[23:07] <Locutus> ah, already did that myself
[23:07] <MartinGuehmann> And one new unit in CL I think I will fortify it
[23:07] <mrbaggins> ok
[23:07] <MartinGuehmann> So the Lemuforce is left
[23:08] <mrbaggins> move se to forest
[23:08] <mrbaggins> fortify
[23:08] <Locutus> miggio: only differency at the moment is that the 12-stack is now on the forest and will fortify
[23:08] <Locutus> (in the screenie, that is)
[23:08] <Locutus> oh, and the units outside pressburg moved to HTown
[23:09] <maq> how many in h town on that screenshot?
[23:09] <Locutus> 2
[23:09] <MartinGuehmann> So Lemuforce direct to the forest in fromt of Graz
[23:09] <Locutus> yes
[23:09] <MartinGuehmann> OK
[23:10] <MartinGuehmann> Done
[23:10] <mrbaggins> ok.. End Turn
[23:10] <Locutus> yup, end turn
[23:10] <MartinGuehmann> I will fortify all the new defenders in our towns and then should be end turn
[23:10] <Locutus> yes
[23:10] <mrbaggins> ok
[23:10] <MartinGuehmann> END TURN 79
[23:11] <Miggio> ok
[23:11] <mrbaggins> i'd be nice if the Austrians would plant some more TI's around Graz before we storm it...
[23:11] <Locutus> no changes visible. just new units finished in ped, HT and press
[23:11] <Locutus> indeed
[23:12] <Locutus> sorry, not press
[23:12] <mrbaggins> me too
[23:13] <MartinGuehmann> Yup, but I think my slic will build first a trading post around Troppau
[23:13] <mrbaggins> ok.. so 5 units leave HTown this turn
[23:13] <Miggio> is our 4 stack moving to h town
[23:13] <Miggio> or to graz
[23:13] <Locutus> btw, did you guys also get those wonder messages from the germans in the previous turn?
[23:14] <MartinGuehmann> Yes two civs started the Ramajana
[23:14] <Miggio>
[23:14] <Locutus> yup, 5-stack south, 4-stack west, fortify new units. end turn.
[23:14] <mrbaggins> make it 3 hoplites two archers
[23:14] <mrbaggins> from HTown
[23:14] <Locutus> hmm, for me the Germans started 2 wonders and no other civs did anything...
[23:14] <mrbaggins> to balance the 10 stack
[23:15] <mrbaggins> agreed Locutus, Martin?
[23:15] <Locutus> agreed
[23:15] <MartinGuehmann> 3H 2A
[23:15] <mrbaggins> yes
[23:16] <Miggio> 22 units to hit graz, they wont stand a chance
[23:16] <mrbaggins> insert a hoplite at the head of the queue
[23:16] <MartinGuehmann> So move five units from H Town S
[23:16] <mrbaggins> in HTown
[23:16] <Locutus> 21, actually
[23:16] <mrbaggins> 22 unless 10+12 doesn't equal 22
[23:17] <mrbaggins> or 5+5+12
[23:17] <maq>
[23:17] <Miggio> oh well
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[23:17] <Miggio>
[23:17] <Locutus> 4+5 by my count
[23:17] <MartinGuehmann> For me that are 21
[23:17] <Locutus> hmm...
[23:18] <MartinGuehmann> Yes for me too
[23:18] <Miggio> 21 works, but MrB just left
[23:18] <Locutus> he better get back soon or he'll miss the big assault
[23:18] <MartinGuehmann> Yes
[23:18] <Miggio>
[23:18] <MartinGuehmann> OK 4 size stack one west
[23:19] <MartinGuehmann> Hm I already moved it
[23:19] <Locutus> I can already see the headlines in the Lemuria Herald: "MRBAGGINS FLEES BATTLEFIELD IN FEAR EVEN BEFORE FIRST SHOT IS FIRED"
[23:19] <Miggio>
[23:19] <MartinGuehmann>
[23:20] <maq> bet we lose 15 units... place your bets
[23:20] <MartinGuehmann> So one tile between our 4 size stack and Graz
[23:20] <Locutus> that should do the reputation of the war party some damage
[23:20] <Locutus> I say 16
[23:20] <Miggio>
[23:20] <Miggio> i say 0
[23:21] <maq>
[23:21] <MartinGuehmann>
[23:21] <Miggio> but thats the optimist in me
[23:21] <maq> no harm in that
[23:21] <MartinGuehmann> OK let's continue
[23:21] <MartinGuehmann> Move the army in H Town one South
[23:21] <MartinGuehmann> and leave an Archer behind
[23:21] <Locutus> hmm, yeah. I missed half a MP somehwere in my planning. that means waiting another turn oh well...
[23:22] <Miggio> thats fine we have a good eye on graz
[23:22] <Locutus> yup
[23:22] <MartinGuehmann> Yup
[23:23] <MartinGuehmann> So let's move the stack in H Town one South and leave an Archer behind
[23:23] <Locutus> yes. do that.
[23:23] <Miggio> ok
[23:24] <MartinGuehmann> So finally fortify the 12 size stack on the forest
[23:24] <Locutus> good.
[23:24] <Locutus> what, you should have done that last turn...
[23:24] <Locutus> oh well...
[23:24] <Locutus> not that it'll make much of a difference...
[23:25] <MartinGuehmann> Yeah it was possible last turn
[23:25] <MartinGuehmann> Fortified the last new unit
[23:25] <Locutus> okay. end turn?
[23:25] <MartinGuehmann> And TURN 80 ENDED automaticly
[23:26] <MartinGuehmann> Another civ started to build the Ramajana
[23:26] <Miggio> works for me
[23:26] <maq> have u got auto-cycle turns on martin?
[23:26] <MartinGuehmann> Yes
[23:26] <maq> eep
[23:26] <Miggio> miggio kisses Ramajana good bye
[23:26] <maq> might be easier if u were in charge of the turn ending
[23:27] <MartinGuehmann> New defenders in CL and MP are ready
[23:27] <Locutus> yup, for me too (ramajana)
[23:27] <MartinGuehmann> Miggio it is not to late but the time is getting short
[23:27] <Locutus> yeah, for the sake of the DG, we should be very careful with ending turns and moving units automatically. people may want to do some last minute changes...
[23:29] <MartinGuehmann> Disabled it but has to be doen again next time as my userprofile.tst is write protected
[23:29] <maq> just alter your userprofile then protect it again
[23:30] <MartinGuehmann> Well next time
[23:30] <MartinGuehmann> So let's continue
[23:30] <Locutus> yes.
[23:30] <Locutus> form a 9-stack east of graz?
[23:31] <MartinGuehmann> Ok East of Graz
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[23:31] <mrbaggins> still going?
[23:31] <MartinGuehmann> so I move the stack from H town two tiles S and the stack from Pedrunnia one tile West
[23:32] <Miggio> welcome back
[23:32] <mrbaggins> how are we doing?
[23:32] <Locutus> just to be safe, fortify it too
[23:32] <Locutus> yes, martin
[23:32] <mrbaggins> one turn on, right?
[23:32] <Miggio> right
[23:32] <Locutus> hi, mrb. you're right in time
[23:32] <MartinGuehmann> Or should I use the original plane move the 4 size stack one west and one north and the other stack only one s
[23:32] <MartinGuehmann> Hi MrB
[23:32] <Miggio> next turn Graz is ours
[23:32] <Locutus> next turn is will determine the future of Lemuria
[23:33] <MartinGuehmann> So form it E of Graz or NE NE of Graz?
[23:33] <Miggio> ne ne of graz would be better
[23:33] <Locutus> no, closer to the city. that way ZOC can't ruin anything.
[23:33] <MartinGuehmann> Yeah I think too
[23:34] <MartinGuehmann> that is a good argument
[23:34] <Miggio> ok then closer to the city
[23:34] <Locutus> either way, graz can attack the 9 stack due to the river, so there's no advantage in ne-ne
[23:34] <MartinGuehmann> and if the Austrians attack it one less work for our other stack
[23:34] <Miggio> if they attack then the city will be undefended
[23:34] <MartinGuehmann> So I go E of Graz
[23:35] <Locutus> good
[23:35] <mrbaggins> can i get a save... or a screenshot?
[23:35] <MartinGuehmann> After the next end turn I post a save
[23:35] <mrbaggins> a save may be wise if you haven't yet
[23:35] <Locutus> I'll post a screenie right before the attack - gives a nice before-after effect
[23:35] <mrbaggins> fine by me
[23:35] <MartinGuehmann> Yeah a save right before the attack and one after the attack
[23:36] <mrbaggins> ok
[23:36] <Locutus> so, anything left to do this turn, other than fortify the new units?
[23:36] <MartinGuehmann> So any other opions about forming the stack E of Graz?
[23:36] <MartinGuehmann> I think then Yes
[23:36] <Miggio> first its Graz, Then the entire Austrian Empire
[23:37] <MartinGuehmann> So I form it East of Graz now
[23:37] <Locutus> just form the stack and fortify, will ya I wanna see some blood
[23:37] <Locutus> austrian blood, preferablye
[23:38] <Miggio>
[23:38] <MartinGuehmann> Formed and fortified I am going to group the defenders
[23:38] <Locutus> good
[23:38] <Miggio> name em 'backup' just at pedrunn says
[23:38] <MartinGuehmann> So end turn?
[23:38] <Locutus> yeah, AFAIAC
[23:39] <Miggio> ...
[23:39] <MartinGuehmann> Ok END TURN 81

[Locutus]

[23:39] <Locutus> uh-oh
[23:39] <Miggio> at = as
[23:39] <mrbaggins> what??
[23:39] <Locutus> martin, do you see that new stack?
[23:40] <MartinGuehmann> The size 4 stack of the Austrians arrived in front of H Town
[23:40] <Miggio>
[23:40] <MartinGuehmann> Yes, Locutus
[23:40] <mrbaggins> Screenshot
[23:40] <mrbaggins> plz
[23:40] <MartinGuehmann> But it is the old wounded one
[23:40] <Locutus> screenshot will be posted now
[23:40] <MartinGuehmann> So I post a save first now
[23:40] <Locutus> it's still 4 units, marint, they can take the city...
[23:40] <mrbaggins> thanks Martin
[23:40] <mrbaggins> yes... but they certainly can't hold it
[23:41] <mrbaggins> even if they did
[23:41] <Locutus> the city only has 1 defender
[23:41] <mrbaggins> and when we retake... +1 happiness for 25 turns
[23:41] <mrbaggins> IIRC
[23:41] <Locutus> btw, does HTown riot for you, martin?
[23:41] <maq> oh dear
[23:41] <mrbaggins> somethink like that anyway
[23:41] <Locutus> that's true...
[23:41] <Locutus> the one up-side. but that's assuming enough units survive graz of course...
[23:42] * mrbaggins smiles
[23:42] <Miggio> but if we suffer heavy causlties at graz we may be in trouble
[23:42] <mrbaggins> we'll be fine
[23:42] <mrbaggins> save, martin?
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[23:42] <Turambar> hey
[23:43] <Miggio> hi turambar
[23:43] <mrbaggins> hey Turambar
[23:43] <mrbaggins> we are about to gain a city, lose a city *winks*
[23:43] <Turambar> ?
[23:44] <mrbaggins> we'll do a screenshot and you'll see
[23:44] <MartinGuehmann> Hi Turumbar
[23:44] <Miggio> the austrians are going to take H town and we are going to take Graz
[23:44] <maq> evening
[23:44] <MartinGuehmann> Savegame posted
[23:45] <Locutus> okay, shall we commence the attack?
[23:45] <mrbaggins> ok 12 stack first
[23:45] <Locutus> yup
[23:45] <mrbaggins> or?
[23:45] <mrbaggins> yes
[23:45] <Miggio>
[23:46] <Locutus> of course
[23:46] <MartinGuehmann> H Town does not riot for me
[23:46] <MartinGuehmann> Bur we have a problem right now
[23:46] <Locutus> k. namely?
[23:47] <mrbaggins> change production in HTown to Hoplite
[23:47] <Turambar> brb
[23:47] <MartinGuehmann> Well the 4 size stack but I see a way to solve it
[23:47] <Locutus> a little late now
[23:47] <mrbaggins> which is?
[23:47] <Locutus> which is?
[23:47] <MartinGuehmann> by using our 12 size stack and postpone the attack
[23:47] <MartinGuehmann> Yeah production in H Twon must be changed
[23:47] <Locutus> no! graz is far, far more important
[23:47] <mrbaggins> nope
[23:48] <mrbaggins> we do the attack right now
[23:48] <mrbaggins> we'll retake graz if need be
[23:48] <Locutus> let them take h town if they must. we will retaliate.
[23:48] <Miggio> H town is that risk we spoke about earlier
[23:48] <Miggio> it can be held for now
[23:48] <Locutus> indeed. and we'll get a nice happiness bonus for retaking is, so that's nice too
[23:48] <mrbaggins> 2 on 4 injured could be only 2 of them left
[23:49] <mrbaggins> and a pretty easy battle to retake
[23:49] <MartinGuehmann> Ok Production in H Town changed to H A H A
[23:49] <MartinGuehmann> Yes I think too
[23:49] <Locutus> okay, so attack now
[23:49] <mrbaggins> go for it
[23:50] <Miggio> mash em up good
[23:50] <MartinGuehmann> Yeah and the stack could also go for Pressburg
[23:50] <MartinGuehmann> so let's gamble
[23:50] <Locutus> so? we'll take that back too
[23:50] <Locutus> and it's fairly well defended
[23:50] <MartinGuehmann> 12 size stack will now attack Graz first
[23:50] <Locutus> good
[23:50] <Locutus> Time for the Lemurian battle-cry: Blood Shall Run!
[23:51] <mrbaggins>
[23:51] <MartinGuehmann> 2nd attack with the 9 size stack if needed
[23:51] <Turambar> who's MoD btw?
[23:51] <mrbaggins>
[23:51] <MartinGuehmann> The one who asks
[23:52] <MartinGuehmann> At least he is the first person on Pedrunn's list
[23:52] <MartinGuehmann> OK let's take Graz
[23:52] <Locutus> w00t!
[23:52] <Miggio> we have orders from pedrunn too
[23:52] <maq> ah u just played the turn then turambar
[23:52] <mrbaggins> i'm happy
[23:52] <mrbaggins> they aren't fortified
[23:52] <Locutus> I took graz with 1 stack - 3 units surviving...
[23:52] <Locutus> let's hope martin does equally well...
[23:52] <maq>
[23:52] <mrbaggins> i took them with 1... 9 surviving
[23:52] <Turambar> yeah
[23:52] <Miggio>
[23:53] <maq> grassland, no city walls, to be expected i suppose
[23:53] <MartinGuehmann> Graz is our!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[23:53] <Turambar>
[23:53] <MartinGuehmann>
[23:53] <mrbaggins> how many losses?
[23:53] <mrbaggins>
[23:53] <Locutus>
[23:53] <Miggio> arty:
[23:53] <MartinGuehmann> 4 Archers left
[23:53] <Miggio>
[23:53] <mrbaggins> splendid...
[23:53] <MartinGuehmann> ance:
[23:53] <Locutus>
[23:53] <mrbaggins> great...
[23:53] <MartinGuehmann>
[23:53] <mrbaggins> lets calm down
[23:54] <Miggio> send the 9 stack back to H Town
[23:54] <mrbaggins> hold on a sec
[23:54] <Locutus> resistance is futile!
[23:54] <MartinGuehmann> So I post a screenshot with the survivors
[23:54] <Miggio>
[23:54] <Turambar> + a save
[23:54] <mrbaggins> ok... post a save, Martin...
[23:54] * mrbaggins smiles
[23:54] <mrbaggins> I bet they're sorry they declared war now
[23:55] <Turambar> lol
[23:55] <mrbaggins> they were asking for it anyway
[23:55] <mrbaggins>
[23:55] <Miggio> did they declare?
[23:55] <Miggio> or did we strike?
[23:56] <Turambar> we did
[23:56] <mrbaggins> they declared when we crossed their borders
[23:56] <mrbaggins> we were just coming to say 'hello'
[23:56] <Miggio> oh i c now
[23:56] <Miggio>
[23:56] <Locutus> oh wait, I had 4 survivors too
[23:57] <mrbaggins> must be that German RNG
[23:57] <mrbaggins>
[23:57] <Locutus> hmm, I'm not german...
[23:58] <Locutus> nor is my game
[23:58] <mrbaggins> what version is your CtP?
[23:58] <Locutus> (American, straight from Activision HQ)
[23:58] <Turambar> another battle for me to write about then...
[23:58] <Miggio> yup
[23:58] <Locutus> with another one (or even two) coming up, Turambar...
[23:59] <Turambar> i've still not done the last one either....
[23:59] <mrbaggins> ahh...
[23:59] <mrbaggins> Martin> gamesave?
[23:59] <Locutus> nope, you haven't. so get on it
[23:59] <Turambar> lol
[23:59] * Locutus enjoys reading Turambar's stories
[23:59] <Turambar> lol thanks
[00:00] <maq> indeed
[00:00] <MartinGuehmann> Fisrt the screenie
[00:00] <Locutus> we should have formed that 9-stack NE-NE after all
[00:01] <mrbaggins> yeah... but its ok... we'll still win in the end
[00:01] <Locutus> indeed. but we'll loose some science and gold this way. and the H Town will shrink twice
[00:02] <Turambar> how many defenders in H Town?
[00:02] <Locutus> 1
[00:02] <Miggio> ok so we lose 2 pops but we gained 7 pops
[00:02] <Turambar> what unit?
[00:02] <Locutus> what if we move the defender out? they'll have to attack it first, giving us more time to move back?
[00:02] <MartinGuehmann> If I see the path of the stack given by the game then we are in H Town in time
[00:02] <Locutus> archer
[00:02] <Turambar> that's what i was going to suggest
[00:02] <Locutus> then rush-buy the hoplite
[00:03] <mrbaggins> no... they attack = same thing as they move
[00:03] <Miggio> we wont make it in time
[00:03] <MartinGuehmann> The Hop in H Town is in one turn finished anyway
[00:03] <Locutus> the path is wrong martin
[00:03] <MartinGuehmann> if the city does not riots
[00:03] <MartinGuehmann> I was afraid of it
[00:03] <Locutus> sorry, forgot about my revolt
[00:03] <mrbaggins> save, Martin?
[00:04] <MartinGuehmann> Save is already posted
[00:04] <Locutus> if we move the archer out, ZOC from the 9-stack should prevent the Austrians from attacking, I think
[00:04] <Locutus> the city, that is
[00:05] <mrbaggins> thanks.. got it
[00:05] <maq> right im off to bed goodluck with the attacking goodnight gentlemen
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[00:05] <Locutus> archer in H Town east, 9-stack n-ne
[00:05] <mrbaggins> we have to move the 9 stack n-ne
[00:06] <Locutus> 4-stack takes archer, 9-stack n to block 4-stack
[00:07] <mrbaggins> if they have a target to attack, ZOC doesn't count unfortunately
[00:07] <Locutus> rush-buy archer in pressburg, just in case...
[00:07] <Locutus> does that count for an empty city too?
[00:07] <mrbaggins> they are within 1 turn of the city
[00:07] <mrbaggins> i don't know 100% i believe so, though
[00:08] <Locutus> well, at least a 9-stack right next to them will give them some food for thought. they might even reconsider...
[00:08] <Miggio> empty cities are just like units
[00:08] <Miggio> they can enter the city no matter what ZOC is
[00:09] <Locutus> and if they do attack, after attacking the archer, they will face a hoplite in H TOwn. that will weaken them even further
[00:11] <MartinGuehmann> Well in case we move out the Archer from H Twon then I have to rush buy the hoplite
[00:11] <Miggio> just move to 9 stack back to H town and rush the hop mave the archer in front of the 4 stack
[00:11] <MartinGuehmann> otherwise the city will riot next turn
[00:11] <Miggio> yes
[00:11] <Locutus> agreed
[00:11] <Turambar> what about when the archers dead and hop is done move the hop out of H so it can then join the stack and we retake the city with 10 units?
[00:12] <MartinGuehmann> So rush buy the hopelite?
[00:12] <mrbaggins> its done in 1
[00:12] <MartinGuehmann> But it is not doen if the city riots next turn
[00:12] <Miggio> Tur has a good point
[00:12] <mrbaggins> MoDA order: Graz: Hoplite, Hoplite, Hoplite, Hoplite
[00:13] <Locutus> what's the advantage of that, Tur? 9 or 10 units, both will crush them. if they're badly hurt, a single hop defending the city and a 9-stack right next door might just be enough to change their mind...
[00:13] <Miggio> maybe
[00:13] <mrbaggins> actually... do you lose a pop when the city is undefended
[00:13] <mrbaggins> yes right?
[00:13] <Miggio> yes
[00:13] <mrbaggins> move the archer then
[00:13] <Turambar> but if they do attack we'll loose the hop. i'd rather come out of the whole thing with 10 rather than 9 units
[00:14] <Miggio> every time a city changes hands it loses a pop
[00:14] <MartinGuehmann> Graz' build queue with 4 H filled
[00:14] <Miggio> im with Tur on this one
[00:14] <mrbaggins> i think have the Hop in the city
[00:14] <mrbaggins> it gives them pause
[00:14] <mrbaggins> they'll be weakened just a little mor
[00:15] <mrbaggins> and have a SOD next to them
[00:15] <MartinGuehmann> Yeah I think the Hop should be in the city, too
[00:15] <mrbaggins> the AI might reconsider
[00:15] <Locutus> we don't need every single unit right now. with graz and htown we can pump out units pretty fast. I'd rather take a chance and possibly keep htown than play safe and loose it for sure
[00:15] <Miggio> them being weak doesnt matter our 9 will crush them
[00:15] <mrbaggins> right
[00:15] <MartinGuehmann> Yes, and the stack is not in best health
[00:15] <Turambar> lets see how things go this turn first....
[00:15] <mrbaggins> there is no question the Austrians will take the undefended city
[00:15] <MartinGuehmann> So one hoplite in H Town next turn
[00:15] <mrbaggins> well... we move the archer anyway
[00:16] <mrbaggins> will we rush... yes or no?
[00:16] <Miggio> yes we all agree to move the archer
[00:16] <Turambar> you can't rush if there's only onw turn to go.....
[00:16] <Locutus> agreed, let's see how this turn plays out first...
[00:16] <Miggio> i say yes to rushing
[00:16] <Turambar> can you?
[00:16] <MartinGuehmann> I think we should rush buy it, as I need for sliede moves to make that city content
[00:16] <Locutus> we can and we should
[00:16] <MartinGuehmann> I think I can... let's see
[00:17] <Turambar> can't on mine...
[00:17] <mrbaggins> i'm ok with rush buying
[00:17] <Locutus> and if not, we can reduce work hours until production is >1 turn, rush-buy, then move back
[00:17] <MartinGuehmann> Well not on the main screen but on the build screen, so it is doen
[00:17] <Locutus> or increase PW
[00:17] <MartinGuehmann> doen -> done
[00:17] <Turambar> k
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[00:18] <Turambar> hi
[00:18] <Tamerlin> Hi
[00:18] <Miggio> hi Tameriln
[00:18] <MartinGuehmann> Hi Tamerlin
[00:18] <Tamerlin> Great victory in Graz
[00:18] <mrbaggins> hi Tamerline
[00:18] * mrbaggins nods
[00:19] <MartinGuehmann> Yeah see the screenies
[00:19] <Tamerlin> Yes
[00:19] <Tamerlin> I have already seen them
[00:19] <Locutus> so, all units moved, martin?
[00:19] <MartinGuehmann> No not yet
[00:20] <Locutus> turns to drama: 11 (was 22 at start of chat)
[00:20] <Turambar> nice
[00:20] <Miggio> excellent
[00:20] <MartinGuehmann> So size nine stack?
[00:20] <Locutus> pw: 107
[00:20] <MartinGuehmann> I have 90
[00:20] <Miggio> move it towards H town
[00:20] <Locutus> n-ne

[Locutus]

[00:20] <Tamerlin> What about the Austrian 4 units stack?
[00:21] <Miggio> they want to eat our babies
[00:21] <Turambar> our archer will crush it!
[00:21] <mrbaggins> its probably going to take HTown and be retaken by our 9 stack
[00:21] <Tamerlin> Fine
[00:21] <MartinGuehmann> So move out the archer from H Town
[00:21] <Locutus> we're dealing with it, tamerlin. we *may* be able to stop them, but maybe we can't and they'll take H Town for 1 turn
[00:21] <MartinGuehmann> But I see another possibilty we could move one unit out of Pressburg
[00:22] <mrbaggins> no...
[00:22] <mrbaggins> lets move the HTown one
[00:22] <mrbaggins> what if they go north?
[00:22] <Locutus> no, let's lure it TO the 9-stack, not away from it
[00:23] <mrbaggins> right
[00:23] <Miggio> locutus is right
[00:23] <Turambar> yeah
[00:23] <Tamerlin> Locutus is right
[00:23] <MartinGuehmann> OK move the A one West
[00:23] <Miggio> they will die its only a matter of time
[00:23] <Miggio>
[00:23] <Tamerlin> I suppose we are producing an hoplite in Graz
[00:23] <Miggio> yes
[00:24] <mrbaggins> Graz is HUGE... 36 science
[00:24] <MartinGuehmann> Yes, and any opions about the movement?
[00:24] <Locutus> those trading posts, eh?
[00:24] <Tamerlin> Along the river?
[00:24] <mrbaggins> indeed
[00:24] <MartinGuehmann> of the Archer
[00:24] <mrbaggins> W
[00:24] <Locutus> what movement?
[00:24] <Locutus> w
[00:24] <Turambar> w
[00:24] <MartinGuehmann> I go also for W
[00:24] <Miggio> yup
[00:25] <MartinGuehmann> All movements done end turn?
[00:25] <Turambar> 9 stack?
[00:25] <Locutus> I assume martin moved it. if so, yes, end turn
[00:25] <MartinGuehmann> It is moved
[00:25] <mrbaggins> yes, if so
[00:25] <mrbaggins> end turn
[00:25] <MartinGuehmann> END TURN 81
[00:26] <mrbaggins> dont forget to reloadslic if you haven't
[00:26] <Locutus> they didn't attack!
[00:26] <Locutus> for me anyway...
[00:26] <MartinGuehmann> sorry it was turn 82 that we just ended
[00:26] <Turambar> didn't attack me either
[00:26] <mrbaggins> me either
[00:26] <MartinGuehmann> and no attack we have Graz we have H Town
[00:26] <mrbaggins> woohoo!
[00:26] <mrbaggins> yes!
[00:27] <Miggio> arty:
[00:27] <mrbaggins> good planing guys...
[00:27] <mrbaggins> they are waiting to form that 5 stack
[00:27] <Turambar> it's waiting for that extra one
[00:27] <mrbaggins> idiots!!
[00:27] <Miggio> oh now were in trouble
[00:27] <Locutus> I don't see any other units but I'll believe you
[00:28] <Turambar> archer retreat, 9 stack north i assume....
[00:28] <Locutus> so, fortify archer and move 9-stack north?
[00:28] <mrbaggins> there is an austrian hoplite to the west
[00:28] <mrbaggins> hmmm
[00:28] <Turambar> yep
[00:28] <Locutus> if we retreat the archer, they can still attack the city 4 vs 2...
[00:28] <mrbaggins> rogjt
[00:28] <mrbaggins> right
[00:28] <Turambar> we could attack them first though
[00:28] <mrbaggins> leave the archer where it is
[00:28] <MartinGuehmann> But they need two turns to attack it
[00:29] <Tamerlin> Can't we rushbuy something in H town
[00:29] <Miggio> we just did
[00:29] <Tamerlin> OK
[00:29] <MartinGuehmann> and then we have our size nine in H Town
[00:29] <mrbaggins> nope
[00:29] <Turambar> we can attack them when they're just outside
[00:29] <Locutus> how, tur? with just the archer?
[00:29] <Miggio> they will use the river if we move that archer
[00:29] <Turambar> with the 9 stack
[00:29] <Locutus> tur, they can atttack in 1 turn over the river
[00:29] <mrbaggins> their stack could try for Pressburg
[00:30] <mrbaggins> i don't think it WILL
[00:30] <Turambar> dam, good point, missed that
[00:30] <mrbaggins> but it might try
[00:30] <MartinGuehmann> Yeah they will use the river so: fortify archer and move size nine army North
[00:30] <Miggio> yes
[00:31] <Tamerlin> yep
[00:31] <Turambar> sounds good. they'll probably wait for the 5th unit anyway
[00:31] <Locutus> mrbaggins: pressburg will have 3 healthy units by the time they get there. that would be quite risky for them...
[00:31] <Locutus> agreed, martin
[00:31] <MartinGuehmann> I do it
[00:32] <Turambar> any plans for the archer in Pedrunn?
[00:32] <MartinGuehmann> Done
[00:32] <MartinGuehmann> Actual I would fortify the ARcher
[00:32] <MartinGuehmann> But now I think we should talk about wonders
[00:32] <Turambar> :0
[00:33] <Locutus> btw, martin, do you see an extra hoplite or just the 4-stack?
[00:33] <Miggio> ramajana
[00:33] <mrbaggins> ok
[00:33] <mrbaggins> in Pedrunnia
[00:33] <MartinGuehmann> Only the stack
[00:33] <mrbaggins> delay the plan to build settlers in Pressburg till we reinfoce it a bit
[00:33] <Locutus> good. then I can post a screenie
[00:33] <mrbaggins> hmmm
[00:33] <Turambar> settlers?
[00:34] <mrbaggins> we might want to have a hoplite or two from the 9 stack go to Graz... btw...
[00:34] <Miggio> not yet
[00:34] <Turambar> when H is secure, yeah
[00:34] <Tamerlin> We need military units, not settlers
[00:34] <MartinGuehmann> inserted the Ramajana at the front of the current build queue of Pedrunnia
[00:34] <Locutus> nah, we should attacks wels now, and maybe troppau, with the 9 stack
[00:34] <MartinGuehmann> 30 turns to complete
[00:34] <mrbaggins> Graz and HTown can build units
[00:34] <Turambar> i wouldn't
[00:35] <mrbaggins> we need more cities and more production for the wonder
[00:35] <Turambar> we need more units
[00:35] <Tamerlin> Isn't Linz our next target?
[00:35] <Locutus> we need to clean up the north so we can focus on the south without worries...
[00:36] <mrbaggins> Wels...
[00:36] <mrbaggins> right
[00:36] <Miggio> thats true
[00:36] <Tamerlin> OK
[00:36] <Locutus> tam: it'll be well defended, I'd say we need AT LEAST 2 full stacks for it. before we have that many units, we can do other stuff first
[00:36] <mrbaggins> thats certainly size 2 or 3 btw now
[00:36] <Turambar> yeah
[00:36] <Tamerlin> Ok
[00:37] <mrbaggins> so...
[00:38] <MartinGuehmann> Ok, let's sort everything...
[00:38] <MartinGuehmann> wonder now: Yes or No?
[00:38] <Turambar> No
[00:38] <MartinGuehmann> Other opinions?
[00:38] <mrbaggins> MoDA: Build Ramajana in Pedrunnia
[00:38] <Miggio> i say yes to wonder
[00:38] <Turambar> bah, it needs more defenders imo
[00:38] <MartinGuehmann> And I aggree
[00:39] <mrbaggins> which it can get from CL/Mapfipolis
[00:39] <MartinGuehmann> Well these could be produced in other cities
[00:39] <mrbaggins> we can't just produce military units... and conquer...
[00:39] <mrbaggins> the War Weariness will kill us
[00:39] <Turambar> they need their own units too. we don't know where we'll be in 20 - 30 turns....
[00:39] <MartinGuehmann> Yeah we need also something for our people
[00:40] <mrbaggins> right...
[00:40] <mrbaggins> 2 cities not producing military units is ok at this point
[00:40] <Turambar> recruit them into the army instead, keep them busy
[00:40] <mrbaggins> Graz and HTown can provide
[00:40] <Turambar> 2?
[00:40] <mrbaggins> we also have a stack capable of roaming
[00:40] <Locutus> 30 turns to Ramajana sounds good
[00:40] <mrbaggins> Graz and HTown can provide the army to attack with
[00:40] <Tamerlin> IMO two cities producing units are not enough
[00:41] <mrbaggins> 4 towns will
[00:41] <mrbaggins> in total
[00:41] <Locutus> we can pump out all the units we need is other cities...
[00:41] <MartinGuehmann> 2 in the West and two in the East
[00:41] <mrbaggins> Graz, HTown, CL and Mapfipolis
[00:41] <Tamerlin> OK
[00:41] <Turambar> settler in press i take it?
[00:41] <mrbaggins> not yet
[00:41] <mrbaggins> one more defender
[00:41] <mrbaggins> then settler
[00:42] <MartinGuehmann> Yeah first some defence units
[00:42] <mrbaggins> 2 actually... 1 built next turn
[00:42] <Turambar> i'd rather reach the city limit from conquered austrians cities myself
[00:42] <mrbaggins> then 1 more after that
[00:42] <Tamerlin> Yes, a defender first
[00:42] <mrbaggins> Turambar
[00:42] <mrbaggins> there is something more to building a settler than that
[00:42] <Locutus> why a settler? where to settle? there's very little room...
[00:42] <mrbaggins> if we disband...
[00:42] <MartinGuehmann> So how many defenders in Pressburg?
[00:42] <mrbaggins> in a city
[00:42] <Locutus> ah, that sounds good
[00:42] <mrbaggins> we get both the production
[00:43] <mrbaggins> and a pop increase
[00:43] <mrbaggins> its a free lunch
[00:43] <MartinGuehmann> Well I would go for the South for the settler I mean
[00:43] <mrbaggins> indeed
[00:43] <MartinGuehmann> but that can be decided later any way
[00:43] <mrbaggins> the first settler east of the potato
[00:43] <Locutus> so a settler in pressburg it is...
[00:43] <mrbaggins> not immediately, but yes
[00:43] <Locutus> sorry, you're right
[00:44] <MartinGuehmann> So how many defenders should we build in Pressburg?
[00:44] <mrbaggins> this one, and one more
[00:44] <mrbaggins> then settlers
[00:44] <Tamerlin> I agree with MrBaggins
[00:44] <Turambar> 12 then setttler
[00:44] <Turambar>
[00:44] <mrbaggins> MODA Order: Pressburg: Hoplite, Archer, Settler, Settler, Settler
[00:45] <mrbaggins> we need to prune the Settler factory soon anyway...
[00:45] <MartinGuehmann> Order executed
[00:45] <mrbaggins> thanks
[00:45] <Locutus> 3 settlers takes 60 turns. let's not plan *that* far ahead
[00:45] <mrbaggins> can always change the queue
[00:45] <Miggio> it will probally change later
[00:46] <Locutus> of course, but it's easy to froget...
[00:46] <MartinGuehmann> Yup
[00:46] <mrbaggins> no it isn't
[00:46] <Turambar> anyway...
[00:46] <MartinGuehmann> OK let's continue
[00:46] <MartinGuehmann> The archer in front of H Town should be fortified
[00:46] <Locutus> shall we? I think that the end of this turn would be a good time to call it a night...
[00:47] <Turambar> how many turns we done?
[00:47] <mrbaggins> if the archer is fortified and the Wonder is being built at head of the queue in Pedrunnia...
[00:47] <mrbaggins> lets do 2 more turns
[00:47] <Locutus> uhm, 6ish, I think...
[00:47] <mrbaggins> i don't want to have this 4/5 stack issue unresolved
[00:47] <MartinGuehmann> Yeah finish this turn and let's see.
[00:47] <Turambar> couple more quick turns is fine
[00:47] <Locutus> well, if Martin hurries. I'm feal like crap and I'm tired and I think I'm the only one with a complete log...
[00:47] <mrbaggins> the conversations will be much cleaner
[00:48] <mrbaggins> i'm logging now...
[00:48] <Locutus> makes sense
[00:48] <Locutus> your log is incomplete...
[00:48] <mrbaggins> but with yours it will be
[00:48] <mrbaggins> its just an append
[00:48] <mrbaggins> EOT... come on
[00:48] <Locutus> true, but that's just more work
[00:48] <Locutus> I'd rather have 1 log
[00:48] <mrbaggins> lets hurry it up
[00:48] <Turambar> yeah
[00:49] <mrbaggins> you send me the log then Locutus
[00:49] <MartinGuehmann> So I fortify the remaining units
[00:49] <Turambar> all units moved?
[00:49] <mrbaggins> i'll append it
[00:49] <MartinGuehmann> not yet
[00:49] <mrbaggins> yes, Martin
[00:49] <MartinGuehmann> the last one needs to be fortified
[00:49] <mrbaggins> do so, please
[00:49] <MartinGuehmann> Done, we can end the turn
[00:50] <mrbaggins> yes
[00:50] <Turambar> yep
[00:50] <MartinGuehmann> OK END TURN 83
[00:50] <Locutus> good, end turn.
[00:51] <Turambar> formed a 5 stack on mine
[00:51] <Locutus> mrb: if we continue much longer I'll send you the log. if we quit soon I'll handle it myself
[00:51] <MartinGuehmann> The Austrians attacked our archer so we can kill them now
[00:51] <Locutus> they moved away from us on mine
[00:51] <mrbaggins> ok, Locutus
[00:51] <mrbaggins> yes
[00:51] <Miggio> kill kill kill
[00:51] <mrbaggins> do the attack, and post a quick save
[00:51] <Locutus> good, martin. kill them now
[00:51] <Turambar> kill!
[00:51] <MartinGuehmann> Yup they are history
[00:52] <mrbaggins> any losses?
[00:52] <Locutus> casualties?
[00:52] <MartinGuehmann> No losses
[00:52] <Locutus> wutang!
[00:52] <Turambar> :d
[00:52] <MartinGuehmann> Just some damage
[00:53] <mrbaggins>
[00:53] <mrbaggins> post a save
[00:53] <Tamerlin>
[00:53] <mrbaggins> my and Locutus' game are completely different
[00:53] <mrbaggins> actually...
[00:53] <Turambar> finish the turn and call it a day?
[00:53] <mrbaggins> we could stop here
[00:54] <mrbaggins> the stack is finished as a threat now
[00:54] <Locutus> sounds good to me: all threats are history...
[00:54] <MartinGuehmann> So should we stop now?
[00:54] <Turambar> end tun first?
[00:54] <Locutus> I vote yes (at the end of the turn)
[00:54] <Tamerlin> Yes
[00:54] <Turambar> something new might pop up for us to discuss
[00:54] <MartinGuehmann> OK end the turn first
[00:55] <Locutus> agree with tur. stop right after the end-turn
[00:55] <mrbaggins> agreed
[00:55] <Turambar> yeah,
[00:55] <MartinGuehmann> Well I fortify all the new defenders and it should be the turn
[00:55] <Turambar> yep
[00:55] <Locutus> k
[00:55] <mrbaggins> k...
[00:55] <mrbaggins> but don't move the 9 stack
[00:56] <MartinGuehmann> OK END TURN 84
[00:56] <Turambar> already have
[00:56] <mrbaggins> ok
[00:56] <mrbaggins> any more I meant
[00:56] <mrbaggins> i want to split one off towards Graz
[00:56] <mrbaggins> a hoplite
[00:56] <Locutus> no, we should stop now. discuss what to do with the 9-stack, if we want a wonder, what to attack next, etc...
[00:56] <Turambar> anything to report martin?
[00:56] <Turambar> yep, loc
[00:57] <MartinGuehmann> We encounterd a new civ a Hebrew settler
[00:57] <mrbaggins> agreed
[00:57] <Tamerlin> I agree
[00:57] <mrbaggins> Diplomacy?
[00:57] <Locutus> bummer. we'll deal with them in the next chat
[00:57] <Turambar> yeah
[00:57] <MartinGuehmann> I aggree we should stop now we played 7 turns so far
[00:57] <mrbaggins> we haven't been thinking diplomacy at all
[00:57] * mrbaggins smiles
[00:57] <mrbaggins> we should discuss...
[00:57] <mrbaggins> take our time
[00:57] <MartinGuehmann> Yeah we forgot India
[00:57] <Locutus> well, war is a form of diplomacy too
[00:57] <mrbaggins> next Sunday... or Tuesday... maybe
[00:58] <mrbaggins> for the next chat
[00:58] <Turambar> diplomacy of the sword!
[00:58] <Tamerlin>
[00:58] <mrbaggins> a while but we have to poll properly
[00:58] <mrbaggins> and give people a chance to decide
[00:58] <Tamerlin> Yes
[00:58] <MartinGuehmann> Rather Sunday or Saturday
[00:58] <mrbaggins> fine by me
[00:58] <Locutus> india will wait. in fact, the longer we wait the better (up to an extend)...
[00:58] <mrbaggins> as long as we have poll results
[00:58] <Locutus> indeed.
[00:59] <Turambar> cm4 demo's out friday.... won't see me for a while....
[00:59] <mrbaggins> I'll do a statistical workup for the MoDA issues
[00:59] <MartinGuehmann> Oh India don't like us, because we are occopieing their territory
[00:59] <Locutus> their continent, you mean?
[00:59] <mrbaggins> yes
[00:59] <mrbaggins> they are nuts
[00:59] <mrbaggins> this is OUR continent
[00:59] <Locutus> they are. and they will pay for that
[00:59] <Tamerlin> Not yet
[01:00] <mrbaggins> we are letting them live there for now
[01:00] <MartinGuehmann> In the German version it says Territorium
[01:00] <Turambar> they owe us rent!
[01:00] <MartinGuehmann> But in Fact it is ours.
[01:00] <MartinGuehmann>
[01:00] <Locutus> anyway, Martin, end chat?
[01:00] <mrbaggins> we settled first
[01:00] <mrbaggins> ok... good game guys
[01:00] <MartinGuehmann> Yes END CHAT

[Martin Gühmann]

Here is a screenshot from right before the attack on the Austrian size four stack:

So Bye Bye Austrians (Unfortunatly only the four, but that can be still done )