OFFICIAL: Shall we go to war with Austria?

[Turambar]

This poll shall expire in 3 days time.

During the last chat it was decided to send a 6 unit strong stack up to the Austrian border with a view to taking Innsbruck in the very near future.

So the question is: Shall we go to war with Austria?

The current plan is to send the 3 Archers, 2 Hoplites and 1 Warrior up to Innsbruck and attack in two turns time.

It being one of their more recently built cities it shouldn't prove a problem to take. I seriously doubt their to be any casualties on our side from attacking.

Here's a diagram of the plan and situation :

[Turambar]

I'm voting yes of course....

[child of Thor]

Yes it will set us up for Graz very nicely and prob with no casulties.

[MrBaggins]

I'm voting yes also

[MrBaggins]

although I think Graz will be a much tougher target... and we'll need to leave a significant military presence in Innsbruck for a little while:

It'll have a conquest unhappiness (3)?
and it will have a capital distance penalty of 0 or1... depending in how its rounded. (i think 1)

so we need to leave 4 units there, at least initially...

thoughts?

[HuangShang]

and the War party has held onto the MoD, now, to show Austria and the peacenicks what we're made of

[Turambar]

Graz will need a larger force to take it so we'll either have to wait awhile or attack somewhere else after Innsbruck.

But for the duration of war all cities IMO should build units only. Hopefully Wiss Ass will confirm or poll this etc....

[Frozzy]

Lets see... erm... no

[mapfi]

well - now that we've got a peace treaty with the Germans there's some danger away and if our MoD says he will win then go along - if he doesn't win though we will drown, hang, shoot and slowly suffocate him all at once.
Therefore I'm abstaining because I don't want to be responsible for a lost battle.

[MrBaggins]

Fortune favors the brave.

[Tamerlin]

Re: OFFICIAL: Shall we go to war with Austria?

Originally posted by Turambar
This poll shall expire in 3 days time.

During the last chat it was decided to send a 6 unit strong stack up to the Austrian border with a view to taking Innsbruck in the very near future.

See how you are deceived citizens of good will, the warmongers are already pulling the swords out of the scabbard, they are already discussing about a war strategy though you have not yet voted.

How can six units, though the very elite of our youth, be labelled as strong when they face an overwhelming force?

And moreover, the Austrians are still considering us as friends, ignorant of the betrayal the War Party is trying to justify through our vote. What will be the regard of the other nations in this world after this horrendous act?

A untimely end awaits our army, don't be abused, vote for Peace now.

War will never achieve what peace and science can for the welfare of our people.

The fate of our nation rest in your hands fellow citizens.

[MrBaggins]

Re: Re: OFFICIAL: Shall we go to war with Austria?

Originally posted by Tamerlin

See how you are deceived citizens of good will, the warmongers are already pulling the swords out of the scabbard, they are already discussing about a war strategy though you have not yet voted.

It seems to me, that there HAS been a vote... and a vote in favor of war.

To enact the WILL OF THE PEOPLE, planning must have been done.

This poll was determined to be necessary to give authority for our nations military to pursue the very goal that the citizens demand: war with Austria.

It seems to me that the APP says what we SHOULDN'T do... an awful lot... but no convincing plan of what we SHOULD do... Settle... but Settle WHERE?? How do you plan to compete with the growth of our enemies (who have massive resource AND territorial advantages over us) ?

Our plan is simple... We are pushing back against the agressor whilst we still can. They are -1 city. We are +1 city.

How can six units, though the very elite of our youth, be labelled as strong when they face an overwhelming force?

The city in question was formed very recently before we exchanged maps. The AI would have been pursuing a growth goal, in this city since, it would have been at least 3 smaller than other contemporary cities.

Its growth would have been achieved by building a Granary, which would only recently be finished. The city is likely in the extreme to be lightly defended. 6 troops... especially mixed as we have them, is a powerful force, against an outpost town of the AI's at this point. I forsee only token resistance, and the ability to mount a vigorous defence.

And moreover, the Austrians are still considering us as friends, ignorant of the betrayal the War Party is trying to justify through our vote. What will be the regard of the other nations in this world after this horrendous act?

We will merely be breaking a no-tresspass treaty. We have no Peace Treaty with the Austrians. There will be a loss of regard, but I do not believe it outweighs the benefit of a conquered city, and possibility for more conquered cities.

A untimely end awaits our army, don't be abused, vote for Peace now.

War will never achieve what peace and science can for the welfare of our people.

The fate of our nation rest in your hands fellow citizens.

Indeed... to rely on 3 1/2 cities... and try and grow under the oppression of the invaders... or to push back against the tide that seeks to engulf us.

Science.. Gold and production will be increased by our spoils of war... do not lightly forget this...

What was theirs... will be ours.

Strength and honor

MrBaggins

[Pedrunn]

War!!!!!

[Frozzy]

Break your shift button Pedrunn

I like the plan. Sets us up well for Graz... maybe we should send in a couple of suicide units to kill those farms...

[Tamerlin]

Re: Re: Re: OFFICIAL: Shall we go to war with Austria?

Originally posted by MrBaggins
It seems to me that the APP says what we SHOULDN'T do... an awful lot... but no convincing plan of what we SHOULD do... Settle... but Settle WHERE??

Whe have already extensively debated about this but you feign not to hear what we are saying. We advocate the settlement of the lands East and South-East of our territory, the very land you have never cared to explore in order to further your bloody plans.

and How do you plan to compete with the growth of our enemies (who have massive resource AND territorial advantages over us) ?

Science will bring new advances that will allow us to build the improvements and infrastructures that we need in order to give the people what they really need, health, justice, wealth, enlightened governments and the list is very long my fellow citizens.

Building only the military units we need to defend our lands will spare many resources where the plans of the warmongers has a double cost, the blood of your children and the commitment of the whole resources of our nation. With the spared resources we would build libraries, mines, commercial outposts and the list is once again very long my fellow citizens.

Our plan is simple... We are pushing back against the agressor whilst we still can. They are -1 city. We are +1 city.

Build two settlers and the difference will be the same, but we would keep an ally and would not create a bitter and eternal ennemy at our gates.

The city in question was formed very recently before we exchanged maps. The AI would have been pursuing a growth goal, in this city since, it would have been at least 3 smaller than other contemporary cities.

Its growth would have been achieved by building a Granary, which would only recently be finished. The city is likely in the extreme to be lightly defended. 6 troops... especially mixed as we have them, is a powerful force, against an outpost town of the AI's at this point. I forsee only token resistance, and the ability to mount a vigorous defence.

These are only guesses and you know the Austrians, may I remind you they are currently considering us as friendly, will retaliate and that we have almost no chance to withstand the blow. And you are telling us you are taking such a foolish risk for a Size One city (according to our City Administrative Classification System).

We will merely be breaking a no-tresspass treaty. We have no Peace Treaty with the Austrians. There will be a loss of regard, but I do not believe it outweighs the benefit of a conquered city, and possibility for more conquered cities.

You are wrong, we need allies while we are growing, we need to grow now, our reputation must be stainless from now on.

Indeed... to rely on 3 1/2 cities... and try and grow under the oppression of the invaders... or to push back against the tide that seeks to engulf us.

Your lot refuse to build settlers. Soldiers, spears, bows and swords are the only words you have in mind, we can't grow peacefully without settlers and you know it.

Science.. Gold and production will be increased by our spoils of war... do not lightly forget this...

The price is definitely too high!

What was theirs... will be ours.

You have already selected an easy prey, we will win a battle but we will lose the war that will follow.

Strength and honor

There is no honor in betraying our neighbors!

MrBaggins

Tamerlin
Delegate of the APP






Phew! Time to go to bed, see you tomorrow MrBaggins.