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  • PUBLIC HEARING Case 006: Validity of the President's name the capital poll

    The question has been raised if the President's name the capital poll complies with the constitution.

    This hearing will last 3 days until January 21st, 9pm GMT, please discuss.

    Originally posted by Martin Gühmann
    Pedrunn started an official poll entitled: "OFFICIAL: Choose the city name (final)"

    The first post of this post contains the following lines:



    From hour constitution the first post has to contain the followling information:



    The question was what should be the name of our capital as expressed in the title. The title implies that the poll is a poll for decission making. So nothing wrong with that even it is not explicitly mentioned.

    But it doesn't contain a clear and unbiased explanation why he exactly selected the two given city names for the run of poll.

    According to his post he based his decission on "[t]he two most voted city names", ok it was clear that he meant the two city names voted in the unofficial poll:
    Poll: Name of our capital
    But actual he should have mentioned it. But that is not the problem the real problem is that his explanation is not clear and unbiased. Actual it is wrong.

    Here are the top city names voted for in the said unofficial poll:

    Code:
    1. El Dorado................154 (6)
    2. Gondolin.................134 (5)
    3. Valhalla.................124 (5)
    4. Paititi..................120 (4)
    5. Xanadu...................119 (5)
    6. Lemur City...............100 (4)
    Lemur City is number 6 on this list and not number 2. The aim of the said unofficial poll was to gather information. That could have been information on how we call our first city, then the name would have been El Dorado without any further disscussion or a run off poll, between a certain number of the first top city names. The number of the first top city names could have been 2, 6 or whatever, that depends on the choice of the creator of the runoff poll, but not taking number 1 and number 6.

    The argument Pedrunn used to use Lemur City as an option was that a lot of citiziens voted for names with the Lemur reference, but this argument is invalid. The rhules of the said unofficial poll was that every citiziens has 120 points that he could allocate to the cities on the list given in that poll. So a citizien was able to allocate all his points like this:

    Lemurtown 30
    Lemurcak 30
    Lemurkakton 30
    Lemur City 30

    So just another citicien has to do the same thing all the Lemur options had 240 points together. So the conclusion is that:

    Lemurtown != Lemurcak
    Lemurcak != Lemurkakton
    Lemur City != Lemurtown

    And so on. Note for nonslicers != means unequal.

    So the only explanation one could has why Pedrunn choosed Lemur City for the runoff poll is that he neither likes El Dorado nor Gondolin. And it was also clear as Pedrunn posted the poll that there were many people who don't like El Dorado and would vote for something different see the last comments of the Poll: Name of our capital thread. However the result is according to Article IV Section 2a) of The Constitution of Lemuria a biased poll in favour of Lemur City.

    As the poll is biased it is null and void and must be declared invalid, in addition we need a new poll about the name of our capital, of course a unbiased one that must contain at least the first two top voted city names in the Poll: Name of our capital poll started by Locutus. As the aim of this poll was to gather further information the creator of the unbiased poll is free to put more city names on the option list as long as these city names are the n top voted city names in the Poll: Name of our capital poll.

    -Martin

  • #2
    The Constitution gives the President full control over the naming of cities. The way I interpret it, he can do with the names whatever he wants. He can call it 'U R all gay tw*ts' and there's nothing we could do about it...

    Therefore, he's IMHO not in violation of anything.

    Edit: when was tw*ts sensored? It sure wasn't in the Hardman's days...
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    • #3
      He can call the city whatever he wants, but he can't post official polls however he wants. Whether this poll violated the polling rules I'm not sure...

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      • #4
        YAWN...

        In agreement with Locutus...

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Locutus
          there's nothing we could do about it...
          That is, except for elect another President in another term and have him change it of course (before he gets any ideas )...
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Locutus
            The Constitution gives the President full control over the naming of cities. The way I interpret it, he can do with the names whatever he wants. He can call it 'U R all gay tw*ts' and there's nothing we could do about it...
            So he can do with the names he wants. But then explain me why he made a poll and did not name the city just like he wants.

            Well if I understand you correctly then it wouldn't be any problem if he gave a reason for his choice of poll options his persional preference. But that wasn't his reason his reason was that Lemur City was under the top two city names and that is false it was under the top 6 city names.

            -Martin
            Civ2 military advisor: "No complaints, Sir!"

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            • #7
              The constitution does require the president to have the name evaluated:
              article II, 2-I
              (e) The President is in charge of naming all new cities of the empire regardless of how the cities were created or assimilated. A name has to be evaluated by the citizens through an Official Poll (article III, section 3-II) before a city is named.

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              • #8
                While Pedrunn may've acted un-honourable about the name of the capital city, he is in no way bound by our votes under the con. He's free to do what he wants.

                Like Loc said, he could've named it anything he wants, even if it's not liked by the public.

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                • #9
                  it doesn't say what choices should be offered. He could give us a choice between 'U R all gay tw*ts' and 'Locutus is a m0r0n' and it would still be within the limits of the law... He could keep polling for silly names until we accept one, and in the meantime he could use whatever name he wants...
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                  • #10
                    I think we should use invented names and not phrases that state actual facts...

                    I only wanted to point out that Pedrunn was required to poll this issue in a official poll - that has to go along with all the rules regarding official polling and that if he doesn't follow the poll's outcome has to explain himself

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                    • #11


                      He's doing that isn't he? What choices he gives in the official poll is not determined by the Constitution and the 'Song festival' poll I organized wasn't by any stretch of the definition official so that can't be regarded as basis for the official one...
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                      • #12


                        Actually you got a good point there. What about bias? If he puts his favorite name against one that is not liked by many, is that not biased?

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                        • #13
                          Yes it is, but that's why he's the prez

                          If we don't like that, we should lay out a clear procedure for naming cities in the Constitution, but I don't think that's needed...
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                          • #14
                            So, it's possible for a city to change names anytime that the president decides to do so... hmmm... What would you guys think if, just for example, London was renamed everytime that a new Prime Miniister came into office. This is just a game, but I think there needs to be a majority poll on the names of cities, where the names put in the poll are chosen from the most favored citizens nomination. If we're going to call this a democracy game, then all aspects should be democratic. The constitution needs to be ammended...

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by mapfi
                              I think we should use invented names and not phrases that state actual facts...


                              It appears the Senior Justice doesn't think highly of the forum moderator or his fellow citizens. I for one, am NOT a gay tw@t

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