Game Chat for turns 3860 +

[Immortal Wombat]

we don't get to see who said what?

[Locutus]

I was still editing (forgot to turn on the convert->/<-to-gt/lt-macro)...

[Locutus]

We had a very good turnout BTW, IIRC 11 people... (And that on a Saturday night)

[Immortal Wombat]

Ah yeah, I forgot they would be tags.

[Locutus]

Yeah. Of course, I could have disabled HTML in that post, but why bother if you have EditPlus?

[Maquiladora]

ugh apologies for my absence I was about to come a couple of hours ago but got dragged away. Ill start the poll.

[mapfi]

Can Pedrunn please post the savegame?

[HuangShang]

u saved the chat, wow

[H Tower]

for those of us who don't own CtP2, could you post some screen shots so we too can see the world?

[Pedrunn]

Originally posted by Locutus
No offense to Pedrunn, but can we impeach a Prez for incompetence?

I will defend myself now.

I am only one guy! Try to be the person who has to play the game, copy and edit screenshots, post the screenshots, write the current sitution data (gold, Pw, etc...), writting answers to the questions raised by the citizens, and you guys STILL wants me to read EVERYTHING ALL you guys wrote!!!!

It is just impossible although i try! And still this is not what caused the problem!

If something to blaim is either IW disappearing from the chat the time i asked or your impertinence that confused IW not to respond me because you had annoyed enough.

Here is the moment i asked if any proposal would be sent util the moment i ended the turn. I even asked twice and i cant see a feedback from IW about what to send. I thought i hadnt see but the log doesnt lie i did not got a answer from him!!!
Yes locutus, i know you said me to do it but you were NOT the minister of Diplomacy at that time. You were JUST a regular citizen.

[22:33] <Pedrunn> will we send any other proposal?
[22:33] * Dale agrees with Loc. 100 gold now, map exchange next turn.
[22:33] <Locutus> no, pedrunn, just give gold.
[22:34] <Pedrunn> Screen loaded
[22:34] <HuangShang> k
[22:34] <Locutus> interesting
[22:34] <HuangShang> Turns to finish Warrior: 1??
[22:35] <Pedrunn> we have finish the warrior
[22:35] <Locutus> huangshang: no, 5 (assuming we don't have any farmers)
[22:35] <Pedrunn> thats why there are 2 in the map
[22:35] <Pedrunn> no farmers
[22:35] <Martin_G> city size?
[22:36] <HuangShang> did their settler move?
[22:36] <Locutus> +/- 2,500 (2)
[22:36] <Pedrunn> we just reached 2 this turn
[22:36] <Locutus> no, huang
[22:36] <Pedrunn> their settler surprisinly did not moved
[22:36] <mapfi> you ended the turn?
[22:37] <Pedrunn> IW, Any proposal???
[22:37] <Locutus> ped, you sure? last time I checked the savegame it was already size 2 and that was last turn...
[22:37] <Pedrunn> i was not that sure. So i will take your word locutus
[22:37] <Martin_G> Probably the Settler is in the ZOC of our Warrior
[22:37] <HuangShang> 3then does the warrior keep moving north?
[22:37] <HuangShang> zoc?
[22:37] <Pedrunn> warrior moves north as agreed here
[22:38] <Locutus> we'll decide on that after Pedrunn ends the turn, Huang. diplomacy is up now...
[22:38] <Martin_G> Yes the warrior should move North onto the river
[22:38] <The-Gingerbread-Man> Laters
[22:38] <Pedrunn> END TURN 12
[22:38] <mapfi> pedrunn - can you post the savegame after you ended this turn?
[22:38] <Martin_G> ZOC: Zone Of Control
[22:38] <Locutus> pedrunn, did you send a proposal?
[22:38] <Pedrunn> no
[22:38] <HuangShang> k
[22:39] <Pedrunn> was i suppose to?
[22:39] <Zephyr> y?
[22:39] <Zephyr> AAAARGH!

So think about this and i am wrong if someone did not gave me the order to do so.

[Pedrunn]

I am not agry about not getting the maps exchanges after all i want since the beginning was war (read the newest story)

But i cant cross arms while someone defame me.

[mapfi]

well, Pedrunn the complaint we're making is that you did the diplomatic proposal the wrong way in turn 13!
While not giving the 100 gold in turn 12 is not entirely your fault, the incompetence in proposal making stands.

To make it clear: When you propose some exchange to a civilization, the setup of the proposal has to be first what you demand and then the offer in return, if you look at the screenshot you posted on page one - you did it the other way around.

As president you'll just have to put up with criticism, especially (but not only) justified criticism.
It didn't work, too bad - but it must not happen again, that's why we're telling you - no need to get offended.

[Pedrunn]

Originally posted by mapfi
As president you'll just have to put up with criticism, especially (but not only) justified criticism.
It didn't work, too bad - but it must not happen again, that's why we're telling you - no need to get offended.

The problem is that i was against sending gold to the Austrians since the beginning. And i could never know everybody didnt share my opinion. So i asked if we really wanted to send. Like you guys may have relize i consider myself a conquer player. I rather run for minister of defense. i like battle tactics rather than diplomacy dialogues. Sorry but you wrote the dialogue and any order from the Minister of Diplomacy was given. If i had act on my own with my criticism. We would still have the gold in our reserves and not give to the enemy.

To make it clear: When you propose some exchange to a civilization, the setup of the proposal has to be first what you demand and then the offer in return, if you look at the screenshot you posted on page one - you did it the other way around.

Does this make a difference at all!?! I have heard this from infamous civ3er but i always thought it was defamation. I can believe it is true

[mapfi]

Does this make a difference at all!?! I have heard this from infamous civ3er but i always thought it was defamation. I can believe it is true

See! - that's actually the point we're talking about,
read Locutus' diplo guide he has linked to.

And the answer is yes - it does make a difference! (the one between accepting and declining...)
you can however comfort yourself with the knowledge that only a few here would have known this...

[Zaphod Beeblebrox]

i would have known
maybe the president needs a greater staff to do his work? someone responsible for posting screenshots, someone for answering boring mails, someone to cook coffee etc.