ELECTION: Judge

[Locutus]

The question can be rephrased to be a Yes/No question...

(But I think allowing multiple-choice (not selection ) polls should be considered as amendment: if there had been 4 options to choose between, I would have had to ask the same question in 3 seperate yes/no polls)

[Immortal Wombat]

Then rephrase it

[H Tower]

Originally posted by Locutus
(But I think allowing multiple-choice (not selection ) polls should be considered as amendment: if there had been 4 options to choose between, I would have had to ask the same question in 3 seperate yes/no polls)

i would be happy to colaborate on the writing of that amendment with you if you so desire

[mapfi]

Am I the only one who thinks Pedrunn did a marvellous job when writing our polling rules?!
There are good reasons why resolution polls are not allowed to have more than 2 options. Have a look at the current Austria poll, while friendly is winning, there are actually more people who lean towards an agressive stand. Now because it's an offical poll, IW can interpret it the way he thinks it makes sense. As a resolution it's law making and so possibly deciding against the majority of the voters.
No parliament in RL (that I know of) votes for lists of options - it always votes yes or no, or option 1 vs. option 2 and then if 2 wins option 2 vs. 3. Democracy is after all not so easy as it seems...

[J Bytheway]

Originally posted by Locutus
The question can be rephrased to be a Yes/No question...

I take objection to this. It cannot be rephrased as a yes/no question. There are other things we could do with our build queue besides these two (even if there are no other things we can build, we could concievably leave it empty), so saying don't build a settler isnot the same as saying do build a warrior. I admit that in this case doing anything else is not particularly appealing to do anything else, but that doesn't mean it is impossible.

[Locutus]

The problem is that there are in total 5 things to build and resolutions only allow for yes/no questions. The problem is that Wise Ass didn't seem to care too much about polling for this issue while I *did* (and judging from the current standing, the poll certainly isn't trivial). Wise Ass could have posted a poll with 5 options perfectly fine while I couldn't, that's kinda silly isn't it?

To rephrase the poll: 'Given the choice between Settlers and Warriors, should we build Warriors next? (Yes/No/Abstain)'.

But to cover all bases, this would have to be followed up by other polls to compare the winner of this poll with the other options, but that way it could take weeks to decide (esp later on in the game), while the turn-chat is later today.

mapfi,
No real-life parliament has multiple-choice bills, but no real-life ministers can propose such bills either, while our ministers *can*. CtP2 is not real life and the way we're playing the game, MC polls are very useful.

I'll agree that the interpreting the poll properly could be tricky and resolutions don't allow much space for that. Maybe we should add a new type of poll: Recommendations. Those are identical to Resolutions, except that they're not binding for the ministers and do allow for multiple-choice. This way they could be interpreted in a sensible way by ministers, while still allowing Citizens to make MC polls without it having to take weeks...

[mapfi]

No RL minister would even have to ask the people what to do...

Anyway, if you just had asked: "Do you want to build a settler next?" Yes/No/abstain there wouldn't have been a problem with it all. A resolution poll is to decide a single issue, your preference lies on settler, but being against this doesn't automatically mean warrior - there might be some inexperienced newbies who want to build some wonder now!

[Locutus]

But what if the answer would be No? In that case we'd need 3 more days to confirm that we indeed want to build a Warrior...

[H Tower]

what's wrong with starting an unofficial poll? i know it won't be official public policy, but at ;east the president would get some idea of what the people are thinking. come to think about it, there isn't a whole heck of a lot of difference between unofficial and official except that official polls can only be started by the executive branch government members. And yes, I know i'll have to defend that statement down the line.

[Locutus]

unofficial polls can't be used for decision making, so someone is bound to complain that it's not kosjer(sp?) to use that as prelimary poll. and quite frankly, he would be right...

[Devil of Truth]

Congratulations Frozzy . A well-deserved win! I look forward to serving with you when I win the next elections.

[H Tower]

yes, congratulations frozzy.

Well, I suppose I should be a little bit bitter about losing a re-election campaign after such a successful (in my opinion anyways) term. But you know, I think frozzy will do an excellent job. I take a certain amount of pride from the fact that the judge position has been the most contested election in our history, and I won the head spot first. As I take my leave from active government, I can rest easy knowing our laws, our constitution lies in safe hands.