Exchange Map Proposal Rejected!!!

[Pedrunn]

following the advices of our Minister of Defense Immortal Wombat...

Originally posted by Immortal Wombat
Agree to withdraw, and request an exchange of maps.
Do not threaten, and advise you do not offer gold (or anything else for that matter).

I have sent a withdraw proposal to increase the regard of our nation with the Austrian.


And as expect they accept our proposal.

[Pedrunn]

Then nothing was to be done unless end the turn. I had a doubt if i should send the proposal in the next turn and in this same turn. So i met our Minister of Diplomacy in the Lemuria Chat when he clearly said to me to send in the next turn. And i asked him to make sure if we should not threat them at all. I asked IW:

Chat Conversation
Pedrunn> Are you sure we should not threat?
Zephyr> yep

So following his advices i ended the turn and sent the Exchange Map proposal. Unfortunetly:

[HuangShang]

damn, what now, threaten?

[Pedrunn]

This is the screenshot for the year 3860 BC (turn 12).

We have finally finished our second warrior and funnily the settler did not moved this turn. My guess is that he want to go to the same place our first warrior is standing.

We are 65 turns to ballistics and have 201 gold. All others settings are the same as the old turn except that i removed the farmer specialist from the city.

[Pedrunn]

And doenst seems like our regard with the Austrian is doing so well:

[Frozzy]

Oh goodie.

[H Tower]

we had another turn chat?

from looking at the map i suggest we go north, north, and then follow the river some more

[Maquiladora]

Hmm its always best if you ask to exchange maps on the turn you actually meet them Oh well we wont get the map now without exploring it ourselves.

Okay we're in the **** so I think we should withdraw our warrior from their land and try to keep them sweet abit longer. At a guess i reckon we've got 20 odd turns before they start roaming around us.

[Dinner]

I say we threaten them. The AI is dumb so even if we piss him off and he goes to war with us we can still whip him.

[Locutus]

We're inside our borders, they don't like that... Give 100 Gold, wait one turn for the effect to kick in, then ask for a map and prey it'll still work so soon after the first request... (You should have given 100 Gold to begin with)

[H Tower]

IW said don't pay or threaten though.

[Locutus]

IW's an idiot

I win 70% of my games through diplo victory, I don't think IW would recognize an Alliance if it hit him in the face

[Maquiladora]

Theres some sort of bug where you can get anything off any AI on the same turn you meet them. I dont get many diplo victories but i always go for the exchange map deal first turn, if theyre slightly pissed at me i go with meek attitude, if they okay with me but stronger than me (strength 4) i go for meek too, if not then a friendly tone is usually enough.

We may aswell try a gold gift now, if only to calm them down for long enough before we have enough units.

[Dinner]

I'm starting to get the feeling I'm the only militarist in a room full of diplomats. Wouldn't it be better to go for the juggler early and try to eliminate a few civs while they're small; before they get big enough to cause us problems?

[Devil of Truth]

I usually grease the wheels with some gold myself – so I would agree with Locutus’ plan (except the "IW is an idiot" part. )

I don’t think threatening them would gain us much now though. Maybe later.

We could of course "eliminate" those pesky settlers. Who would know? Just look the other way. This won’t hurt a bit.