PUBLIC HEARING on Case 002: Legality of Diplomatic Poll

[Locutus]

Originally posted by child of Thor
As to this other stuff i agree with IW, the consitution isn't flexible enough to deal with the complexity of CTP2's diplomacy model.

In some cases that may be true but in the case the situation that's simply not true. Starting 3 single-selection polls would have been no more complex than starting 1 multiple-selection poll. And multiple-selection polls has as disadvantages that they allow cheating, obscure the meaning of the outcome and are quite ambiguous and confusing. They were outlawed for a good reason...

I agree with mapfi, so far our Court is doing an impressive job, even speedwise, especially considering that one of the Judges is MIA...

[Dale]

I think we all need to step back for a second and stop looking at the "literal" meaning of the law, and start looking at the "intended" meaning of the law (as observed in US, Australian and English courts). The law on the polls is to help make it simple, understandable, accessible to all citizens, and informative.

After voting on the poll myself, I feel it fits into ALL of those "intentions". I feel that in the circumstances, where three polls on the one "item" (of meeting a settler from Austria), the three stage poll was warranted. Three polls would've just confused the issue, and I'm sure some people would've forgotten to vote on ALL the polls. Since each poll's outcome relies in part on the others, it can't be simply "seperated". For instance, if in the three seperate polls the outcomes are WAR, Expel settler and be friendly, they become counter-contradictory, and COMPLICATING the issue.

I feel IW is justified in the poll he created.

[Immortal Wombat]

Can I start a poll:
Can you answer yes to any of the following questions:
Did you feel confused as the meaning of any of the answers?
Did you cheat?
Do you feel the meaning of the outcome is obscured?

A: Yes
B: No
C: Abstain

Or should I start three separate polls, one for each question?

[Zaphod Beeblebrox]

well, i feel that poll was efficient in getting a picture of what the people think, but it wasn't correct enough for an official decision. so it should have been postes by a apolymurian newsmagazine, not the government

[H Tower]

Originally posted by Immortal Wombat
Can I start a poll:
Can you answer yes to any of the following questions:
Did you feel confused as the meaning of any of the answers?
Did you cheat?
Do you feel the meaning of the outcome is obscured?

A: Yes
B: No
C: Abstain

Or should I start three separate polls, one for each question?

if you want it be an official ministry poll, the part of the abstain option could be challenged as adding bias

btw, my answer would be no

[mapfi]

IW, the polls not binding for you anyway, if it's valid or not.

And you couldn't have a poll with three different questions to be answered simultaneously, of course!

[H Tower]

i must disagree with my fellow judge. the question seems quite clear, "have you done any of these?" and it presents several options. its not asking which one you did, but if any of them are true.

[Immortal Wombat]

Originally posted by Locutus
As evidence of this, I present the Court with the following quotes (from the formation of the Constitution):

There's no way I'm reading all that waffle. It's hard enough to get through the Constitution without falling asleep, let alone the formation of it.

[Turambar]

I had no problem with the poll, I thought it was a good efficient way for IW to gauge public opinion.

[mapfi]

The public hearing is closed, the court has ruled -> look in this thread