Article: Government Changes

[Pedrunn]

Right after we decide the impeachment question:

There will have to be legal grounds or just the majority of the people is enough to make someone impeach?

better I start a poll?

[Gilgamensch]

Let's hope he will

[Locutus]

Well, start a poll if you must but if you can impeach people for doing a bad job and the only reason why people are doing a bad job is because they get bad orders, you sort of enter a repeating cycle that could potentially destroy the game. The legislative branch of the government should be the most powerful one but not omnipotent...

[Gilgamensch]

It will be up the court to decide, so there will be have to be legal ground.

but again somebody could claim: President did not follow order 152 a.b

[Locutus]

Exactly: if someone claims that, the Court will investigate. If it's false, the case will be dismissed. If it's true and the violation is serious enough to warrant impeachment (unless it's something really trivial this should usually be the case), the Court can start an impeachment poll and then the people can decide if it's actually enough to warrant impeachment or whether it should be tolerated...

[Pedrunn]

UPDATE: I will start a poll about the impeachment issue.


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2) Impeachment, Resignations or Assassination.

(a) The impeachment of an officer in a government position is decided with a resolution type of poll accordingly to the rules for it in the polling article.
(b)If a member of the Court is the subject of impeachment, he shall not take part in the Court decision. The President shall sit in his place for the sole determination of whether the impeachment has merit, and shall be considered a Judge for that vote only.
(c) If confirmed by the Court that an officer was killed or an impeachment resolution is confirmed, the office in question will be vaccant and new elections will have to be hold for it.
(d) If an officer resigns it will be asked to him to keep in his function until the end of the new election to decide who will replace him. Therefore overrruling paragraph 2-(e).
(e) Until the end of election poll the citizen for the vaccant office, the Court will choose a willing citizen to takes its place. The Court shall give preference for one of its member or the citizen who disputed the office with the impeached person in the last election. This chosen will have the name temporary before the name of the government position.
(f) If the officer term that no longer can practice its function, was going to end in less than two weeks. The temporary officer will keep in the power until the end of the government position term. Otherwise a new election process for the position in question shall start and the temporary officer will be in power only until a new officer for the position is not chosen.
(g) The temporary officer will not start a new term. So it shall not be considered a new governemnt. Therefore the temporary officer government wont be added to the count explained in law 1-(f) and 1-(j) of this article.
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Did i miss anything. It really is becaming hard to follow the stuff discussed.

[Gilgamensch]

2e ??????
2f ???????

Sounds a bit like for those two you lost yourself a bit :wink:

2d: I guess you mean:
If an officer resigns, s(he) will be asked to stay in office until the end of the new election, deciding who will replace him, therefore overrruling paragraph 2-(e).

In 2e, we might want to shorten the phrase:

This chosen will have the name temporary before the name of the government position.

to:

This choosen will have the name temp(orary) before the name of the government position.

[J Bytheway]

I suggest the following (mainly grammatical, again) changes to clear things up:

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2) Impeachment, Resignations or Assassination.

(a) The impeachment of an officer in a government position is decided with a resolution poll according to the rules for it in the polling article.
(b) If a member of the Court is the subject of impeachment, he shall not take part in the Court decision. The President shall sit in his place for the sole determination of whether the impeachment has merit, and shall be considered a Judge for that vote only.
(c) If confirmed by the Court that an officer was killed or an impeachment resolution is confirmed, the office in question will be vaccant and new elections will have to be held for it.
(d) If an officer wishes to resign (s)he will be asked to remain in the office until the end of the election to decide who will replace him. This overrules paragraph 2(e). If the officer is unwilling to remain in office then paragraph 2(e) applies.
(e) Until another citizen is elected to fill the office in question, the Court will choose a willing citizen to fill that office. The Court shall give preference to its members or the citizen who disputed the office with the impeached person in the last election [I'm not sure about this sentance. Do you mean: "those citizens who were candidates for the office in the last election"?]. The chosen citizen will have the word temporary as a prefix to the name of the office (s)he holds.
(f) If the term of an office filled by a temporary officer will end in less than two weeks the temporary officer will remain in the office until the end of the term. Otherwise a new election process for the office in question shall start and the temporary officer will remain in the office only until a new officer for the position is elected.
(g) The time spent as a temporary officer will not count as a term in office, and will not be added to the count explained in law 1-(f) and 1-(j) of this article.
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You've started using 'officer' - this is a rather strange term, but I think I like it, given that they are in an office. In any case, I think we might need a glossary of terms to make it clear the difference between the different classes of citizen (minister, judge, officer, etc.) so as to make future articles coonsistent.

What is assassination supposed to refer to? It is never mentioned in this article.

Also, when a judge is impeached, does the President have any say in the replacement chosen by the court?

[H Tower]

How often were we planning on having terms for again? 1 month? or was it 2 months?

Because If its only one month, i think that 2f is unecessary, but if terms are two months or more, then I like the fact that 2f exists.

Just a few little bumps and the conversations jump into high gear

[Pedrunn]

UPDATE

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Article: Government Changes

1) Elections.

(a) The Court is empowered to oversee all elections and is empowered to resolve any election disputes according to the rules in this Constitution.
(b) An election for a given government position is started if the term of the position has ended or the person in the position can no longer perfom his duties.
(c) If the reason for an election is the end of a term, the election process must start seven days before the end of the given government position term. The previous official will remain in office until the end of the term or until a new candidate is elected, whichever is the later.
(d) If the reason is the decision that the person in the government position can no longer perfom his duties, the election process must start immediately after this decision is made. Until a new candidate has been elected, the other members of the branch of government in question will appoint a substitute to temporarily take over the open position, allowing the game to continue.
(e) At the start of the election process, all citizens who wish to be candidates for an office must publicly express their candidacy. For this they have two days. No citizen may be a candidate for an elected office if such candidacy might cause him to be in more than one elected office simultaneously.
(f) Once the time in which citizens may express their candidacy for a given elected office has expired, the Court will create an Election poll (see Article II, section 3.I) for the office, with the names of the candidates as options. The poll shall expire in five days.
(g) If only one candidate is available for an office, a Yes/No poll shall be held to decide if this person may serve in this office. This poll shall expire in five days.
(h) The candidate who received the majority of the votes and the election thread expires, this person will be declared the new holder of the office for which he was a candidate.
(i) In case of a tie in the election poll, the other elected members of the same branch of government position in question will vote again to decide which one of the tied candidates will take over this position.


2) Impeachment, Resignations or Assassination.

(a) Any Citizen may bring the case of impeachment of an elected Minister, President, or Judge to a member of the Court.
(b) The Court shall review the allegations made, allow an answer by the accused, and by a vote determine if there are proper and legal grounds to hold a Resolution poll to decide on impeachment. If the accusations are found to be without legal merit, the allegations shall be dismissed.
(c) Should a member of the Court be the subject of impeachment, he shall not take part in the decision by The Court. The President shall sit in his place for the sole determination of whether the impeachment has merit, and shall be considered a “Judge” for that vote only.
(d) If the Court decides there are grounds for impeachment, it shall start a poll in which it clearly states the person to be impeached and outlines the events that led to the impeachment. If the impeachment is confirmed by a majority of the voters in the poll, the officer in question can no longer practice its function and a election poll must start to decide who will replace him.
(e) If an officer wishes to resign (s)he will be asked to remain in the office until the end of the election to decide who will replace him. This overrules paragraph 2(e). If the officer is unwilling to remain in office then paragraph 2(e) applies.
(f) Until another citizen is elected to fill the office in question, the Court will choose a willing citizen to fill that office. The Court shall give preference to its members or the citizen who disputed the office with the impeached person in the last election. The chosen citizen will have the word temporary as a prefix to the name of the office (s)he holds.
(g) If the term of an office filled by a temporary officer will end in less than two weeks the temporary officer will remain in the office until the end of the term. Otherwise a new election process for the office in question shall start and the temporary officer will remain in the office only until a new officer for the position is elected.
(h) The time spent as a temporary officer will not count as a term in office, and will not be added to the count explained in law 1-(f) and 1-(j) of this article.
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- Chapter 1, Section about the maximum consecutive number of turns a citizen can run for the same government postition was removed since the citzens voted that there shouldnt have such a limit

- Chapter 1, section i merge of others sections and totally changed the process of untie an election.

- Chapter 2, sections a to d completely re-newed to fit the Locutus idea of impeachment voted by the majority.

- Chapter 2, J ByTheWay gramatic corrections added.

[H Tower]

i'm looking at 1i, and that provides a temporary solution to the problem, but it offers no advice on to fix it.

or is that described in the polling article?

all the overlap makes my head spin

[Pedrunn]

oops, the "temporarily" was a mistake. Actually, The ministers votes will decide the definitive (that will go til the end of the term)oficer for the gov position.

[H Tower]

now that that is fixed, I think this article is ready to be presented to the people.

one last final question though, you and locutus have both proposed a different order for the articles, which was decided on, and do the references in this article refer to the correct article?

[Gilgamensch]

I know Pedrunn, you gonna shoot me

1d)

(d) If the reason is the decision that the person in the government position can no longer perfom his duties, the election process must start immediately after this decision is made.

So, let's wait another day and start to poll about

We get moving

[Pedrunn]

What!!! Did you invented another mistake in may perfect article

Dont you have sense of danger!
If you do that again you are going to take a ride in a ambulance



BTW, good point! It is fixed now

Actually, if i make the constitution waiting the mistakes to happen since i am not a native english speaker.

I believe we are finish with this article.