Alternate Sci-fi Mod completed!

[Chris B]

Your mad rocks, Blue, but it would have been nice to have fixed a few standard game annoyances in your mod, like how forests only give 5 production and how hoplites exist till gunpowder, even though pikemen are clearly superior. I'll do this myself, but its just a thought.
Also, I don't like how towns don't give off any extra rescourses. Would there be some extrav commerce and production being generated there?????

[Dale]

BlueO, wait till I get V3.0 going and that should fix any errors, bugs, whatever, AND be generic enough to play with other mods. (And hopefully self-explanetary enough too)

BTW, these pics look GREAT! Might have to give the city-expansion a go one of these games. Great work.

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Author of Diplomod. The mod to fix diplomacy.

Rommell to a sub-commander outside Tobruk: "Those Australians are in there somewhere. But where? Let's advance and wait till they shoot, then shoot back."

[kormer]

Thanks a lot for seperating it out. I was messing with it earlier today and realized I was in over my head Also with the genetic age cities, it is weird, and in sci-fi the weirder the better!

[BlueO]

Alright, I just made a zip that should help out kormer, WesW, and any other mod makers in using the city growth feature. I put up the zip temporarily at:
http://www.ncal.verio.com/~richl/ctp2.html

Omnigod, if you want to put it up on the Aployton's db, go ahead, but the explanation I put in is fairly sparse...so maybe someone else wants to write up a more descriptive explanation?


To answer a couple of Dante's question, the ai diplomancy files are actually the ones from Dale's. I was trying to include his diplomod, but I kept getting errors. I tried to solve the errors, but I have no clue on how to use the diplomacy functions since I can't find any docs on how to use them. I used his diplomacy text changes because I was hoping to see some ai diplmancy on their own. No luck there..

The first city population size for city expansion is 7, then 12, then 17, then 21...

The mayors aren't actually active, I put in a small slic code that automatically build roads around all cities. I was tired of seeing a huge ai stacks pileup around their cities because their stacks are incabable of moving around their own cities. I was hoping roads around their cities would solve that...not verified though. However, it does help my own armies to have my own cities all with roads around them.


hmm...is it me, or does the genetic era city expansions look weird? Maybe its the lack of shadow...or something, but the sprites looks to be floating on top of the tile...

[OmniGod]

Sorry Skorpion... that would be my stupid mistake. I added the units to a second file since they weren't included in the original files and forgot apparently to add the directory structure. That should take a few minutes to correct when I get home. As for why it's two files is just because they're both fairly large and this is to help out the people on 56K (not everyone has DSL, Cable or a T3). Problem wil be fixed for future downloads..

Rich

[WesW]

Blue, email me if you would like to an historical unit or two for the Med mod.

[skorpion59]

I like this idea as I have always wanted more SciFi type units. When I D/L'ed the file and tried to play, I kept getting all kinds of errors about missing files. I came back and D/L'ed the new file(s). When unzipping, some secondary files want to overwrite existing files from the first zip with files which are significantly different sizewise. Also, as with most of the zip files, many files are put in 1 directory and not put in the correct directory structure. This makes everything confusing.

Any possibility of getting a new zip with all the correct files in the correct directories. A mod should do this and it should have all the required files the mod needs. It shouldn't rely on a secondary file(s) for additional units or information. I want to play this game but I don't feel like spending 6 hours going through it to figure out what is needed where to play it.

[OmniGod]

I've updated the link to hitech units. It now points to the correct file. With in a few hours it will all be available on the db.

Rich - nice work Blue.....

[WesW]

BlueO, this really does look fantastic! Just shows what the capabilities of this game are, if talented people want to take the time to work with it.
I will definitely want to try and integrate the city expansion feature into the Med mod. If you would put together a special zip with only this part of the mod, I would appreciate it. There is no rush for this on my behalf, as I have a lot of other stuff to do first, but in a few weeks or so I would like to try it out.

I have already downloaded the Amazons, to look more closely at when I get around to the wonder units part of the Med mod. The Hi-tech units will get looked at as well, since I currently have no wonder units for the futuristic eras.

Btw, I think the link to the Modern Amazons is broken. It points to the hi-tech units.

[dande]

I spent a few hours installing and playing the mod this afternoon. Here are my observations (in no particular order):

1. First off, this is only the second mod in my life of "civ"ing that I have enjoyed immediately. (The other was "stoneage" for civ2.) The whole game just seemed more fun than CTP2 unmodded, I don't quite know why?! Perhaps it has something to do with the added "beauty" to the game. The Amazon women bring something not present in the original CTP2.

2. There are a ton of goody huts(ruins)!! did you mod this too? I sometimes found two ruins only 2 spaces apart. I even found a cluster of three encirclling one square. Neat-o!!

3. I did stumble upon zombies in ruins. (I must admit, contrary to your advice I didn't disband them because I wanted to check them out.) They were helpful to exploring and evaluating the mod.

4. The AI offered to trade techs with me!! This never happened in a CTP2 game for me before. What a surprise!! However, I had not acquired diplomats yet and had no embasies established. Was this a bug? it happened twice; the first time around 3100 BC.

5. Everybody loves me. With AI frenzy I was expecting a bloodbath, but they love me. All smiles and offers of peace treaties. This never happened in CTP2 unmodded (to me), but who knows?!? I am respecting their requests and only violated a no trespass in order to approach a city and ask (politely) for them to give it to me. They did. Twice. And with their only two cities in my possesion they were destroyed with all the love and pleseantness they could muster. Was this supposed to be?

6. I love the idea of city's sprawling out. However, I haven't experienced this yet. I have a few cities of size four and I think one of sze five. No sprawl. Is this right?

7. Mayors are active. I have never used mayors and love micromanagement so I always leave them off. However, roads are popping up all over the place and my PW are being used. I checked and my mayors are off. I turned them on and back off, but they continue to build roads. Is this the early parts of city expansion or is it a bug?

8. Very few barbarians. After 20+ ruins and 1000 years (on a regular map) I found no barbarians. Then all of a sudden three or four huts in a row ambushed me with barbarians. I was so confident that the barbarians were non-existant that I even lost a city to two barbarian wariors. (the first two I saw. probably around 2900BC.) I quickly took the city back with a knight (from ruins) and an amazon warior.

Anyway, although I am not sure I am experiencing the mod the way it wa intended, I'm having fun. And isn't that what "civ"ing is all about!

[BlueO]

[/QUOTE]that's what i want. i know i can do it, but i thought you might want to have the choice of what to show up in the db
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Yeah, go ahead and cut/paste or resize. It doesn't matter to me what part shows up in the db really.

quote: Originally posted by BlueO on 01-22-2001 03:33 PM The only thing I can do is to do a resize of the 800x600 or cut a part of the picture out so it'll be 200x150.

that's what i want. i know i can do it, but i thought you might want to have the choice of what to show up in the db

[BlueO]

Okay, to answer the question.

MarkG, I can't capture 200x150 size images because the game runs at 640x480 for the lowest resolution I believe. The only thing I can do is to do a resize of the 800x600 or cut a part of the picture out so it'll be 200x150. Not sure what you want, but I'm sure you or Omnigod can do this yourself.

Kormer, yeah go ahead and use the city expansion in your mod. Be warned though, I integrated the city expansion feature into the main scenario.slc which is actually the frenzy ai mod. And the frenzy ai mod is modified to accomodate the city expansion feature. And both slcs are integrated with the zombie/alien influence feature. So just removing the city expansion feature might be difficult. I'm afraid none of the new units will fit into the modern scenario. I like to have sci-fi/fantasy type units over realistic ones. So any new units in the game won't fit with the 'civlization' type feel.

To successfully extract the city expansion feature, you need to edit the scenario.slc (to remove the frenzy ai, and any reference to zombie/alien threat) Hmm...actually that's all you need to edit. You will need the following files in your mod to work: goods.txt, goodsid.txt, tileimp.txt, terrain.txt, and gl.txt. I believe that's all the files the city expansion use. Oh, you will need the gg030.spr -> gg050.spr files in the sprite directory.

Immortal Wombat, the tile improvement will not work. You can however, edit the tileimp.txt so you can make them work, but don't know why you would want that. The only tile improvement that works are the road tiles because I edited the tileimp.txt to make it so.
[This message has been edited by BlueO (edited January 22, 2001).]

[Immortal Wombat]

The city expansion looks great, but do tile improvements still work from underneath, and can you place them on the "extra" city tiles ?

[kormer]

Looks awesome blue, do you mind if I took just the city expansion part of your code out and include it in my own modern era scenario? Also what files should I look to include. And lastly, can you give me a list of new units, any that would be appropriate for my scenario?