Technology ideas for Med mod II

[Harlan]

The "Wouter" technology I must say has been invaluable in making my Alexander mod. I think you should keep it in .

[Locutus]

ROFL! Yeah, that's an advance that will change the history of mankind forever
It allows you to build the Lazy Bastard unit

[Harlan]

Pintello,
Here's the thinking behind Banking. Banks go waaaayyy back, but I don't think that's what CTP2 meant with its building. It meant a modern styled bank. Those didn't really start until paper currency developed, which happened around 800 AD in China and 1300 in Europe, I believe. Only with credit and loans done with "funny money" instead of hard coin, did banks really take off and become the things we think of today. So that's why Banking has been replaced by Paper Currency.

I like all your other linking ideas.

[Pintello]

Hi Harlan,

4 for 5 isn't bad! I know of a lot of professional football teams that would like that kind of record. More seriously though, thanks for explaining the reasoning behind the Bank Improvement. Once you explained the reasoning I can see where it makes good sense in the scheme of things that ya'll are trying to represent with Wes's Mod. Glad you liked my other ideas. Now if we can only get Wes to buy into them we will be set. :-)

Regards,
Timothy Pintello

[Pintello]

Hi Wes,

I have now taken a look at your newest Adv. Chart. It looks really good. The only problem that I can see is that it looks like you can get Railroad without Steam Engine. Also one of the Prerequisites for Railroad is Banking, but I can't find Banking on the Adv. Chart.

It also looks like you can get Paper Currency without first getting Paper and that you can also get Printing Press without getting paper. I would suggest making this order change. To get Paper Currency you have to first get Printing Press. To get Printing Press you have to first get Paper. Maybe to accomplish this you could position Paper between Classical Education and Printing Press. Possibly instead of putting Feudalism as the second prerequisite for Paper Currency put Printing Press. That way Paper Currency would still be in the tech tree as a prerequisite for Economics.

Another suggestion I would make is to put Banking right after Currency. I would then make Banks available with Banking instead of Paper Currency. I would advocate putting Banking and Banks so early because Bankers are metioned in a couple of Jesus' Parables indicating that they existed as far back in history as 2000 years ago, if not much further. If I had to guess, I would guess that the idea of banks and bankers was developed about the same time that currency became a common medium of exchange.

The Banking change listed in the previous paragraph would also allow you to change the second prerequisite for Railroad from Banking to Steam Engine. This would eliminate the problem listed at the start of this post while still permitting you to get Industrail Revolution prior to Steam Engine, which is the historic order anyway. The Industrail Revolution was less dependent on Steam Power than it was Mechanical Power anyway.

Hope my 2 cents worth helps.

Timothy Pintello

[MrFun]

Hey Wes - your advance list seems interesting.

Gives me some ideas for my own technology tree mod that I have made a rough draft of.

[WesW]

Here is the current list of new and altered advances. This one is pretty much final, except for the Future advances that Harlan and Charles are going to come up with. Those advances will got enable anything, however. They will look better than "Future Construction Tech 1", though. I also removed 5 techs from the game: Monarchy, Corp. Rep., Technocracy, Fascism and Virtual Dem.
Soon I will post all the emails that I sent out discussing the advances chart with Harlan and Charles. It will enable you to see the development of the chart, and hopefully impress upon you just how good the chart is now, and consequently the immense historical knowledge that those two men have.

#### NEW ADVANCES STRINGS ####
ADVANCE_AGRO_INDUSTRY "Agro-Industry"
ADVANCE_ARISTOCRACY "Aristocracy"
ADVANCE_ASTRONOMY "Astronomy"
ADVANCE_AUTOMATIC_RIFLES "Automatic Rifles"
ADVANCE_AUTOMOBILE "Automobile"
ADVANCE_CITIZENSHIP "Citizenship"
ADVANCE_COMBINED_ARMS "Combined Arms"
ADVANCE_COMPASS "Compass"
ADVANCE_CONSCRIPTION "Conscription"
ADVANCE_CONTRACEPTION "Contraception"
ADVANCE_CURRENCY "Currency"
ADVANCE_DECIMAL_SYSTEM "Decimal System"
ADVANCE_DEEP_BATTLE_TACTICS "Deep Battle Tactics"
ADVANCE_DOMESTICATION "Domestication"
ADVANCE_ELETRO_MAGNETISM "Electro-Magnetism"
ADVANCE_EQUAL_RIGHTS "Equal Rights"
ADVANCE_EVOLUTIONARY_THEORY "Evo. Theory"
ADVANCE_FLINTLOCK "Flintlock"
ADVANCE_GERM_THEORY "Germ Theory"
ADVANCE_HIGH_PRES_CONSTRUCTION "HP Construction"
ADVANCE_HUMAN_RIGHTS "Perspective"
ADVANCE_IMMUNIZATION "Immunization"
ADVANCE_INFANTRY_TACTICS "Infantry Tactics"
ADVANCE_INTEGRATED_MOBILE_WARFARE "Int. Mobile Warfare"
ADVANCE_INTERNET "Micro-computer"
ADVANCE_JOINERY "Joinery"
ADVANCE_MACHINE_TOOLS "Machine Tools"
ADVANCE_MECHANICAL_CLOCK "Mechanical Clock"
ADVANCE_MECHANICAL_POWER "Mechanical Power"
ADVANCE_MILITARY_ENGINEERING "Military Engineering"
ADVANCE_MOLECULAR_SYNTHESIS "Molecular Synthesis"
ADVANCE_OCEANOGRAPHY "Oceanography"
ADVANCE_PAPER "Paper"
ADVANCE_PLASTICS "Plastics"
ADVANCE_PSYCHOLOGY "Psychology"
ADVANCE_PUBLIC_EDUCATION "Public Education"
ADVANCE_RADIO "Radio"
ADVANCE_REPEATING_RIFLES "Repeating Rifles"
ADVANCE_ROCKETRY "Rocketry"
ADVANCE_SANITATION "Sanitation"
ADVANCE_SOLAR_POWER "Solar Power"
ADVANCE_STEAM_ENGINE "Steam Engine"
ADVANCE_STIRRUP "Stirrup"
ADVANCE_TELEPHONE "Telephone"
ADVANCE_THERMAL_IMAGING "Thermal Imaging"
ADVANCE_WHEEL "Wheel"
ADVANCE_WOUTER "Locutus"

#### RE-NAMED ADVANCES ####
ADVANCE_AGRICULTURE "Plough"
ADVANCE_CONCRETE "Engineering"
ADVANCE_BALLISTICS "Composite Bows"
ADVANCE_RELIGION "Org. Religion"
ADVANCE_BANKING "Paper Currency"
ADVANCE_AGRICULTURAL_REVOLUTION "Crop Rotation"
ADVANCE_NAVAL_TACTICS "Chronometer"
ADVANCE_DEMOCRACY "Human Rights"
ADVANCE_ELECTRICITY "Electrification"
ADVANCE_NAVAL_AVIATION "Flight"
ADVANCE_TANK_WARFARE "Mobile Warfare"
ADVANCE_ADV_INFANTRY_TACTICS "Assault Tactics"
ADVANCE_ADV_NAVAL_TACTICS "Steel"
ADVANCE_TOOLMAKING "Metal Working"
ADVANCE_COMMUNISM "Socialism"
ADVANCE_ADV_URBAN_PLANNING "Urban Planning"

[bladerunner]

I really like the your tech tree Wes. How can I incorperate it into my copy of call to power. do I need a file to download. If so where can I get it. Also just woundering why you took out corperate republic and virtual democracy? I also had some suggestions. You sould put the invention of the weel. Also you should add mathimatics which would lead to science that would eventually lead to astronomy.

[bladerunner]

oops I saw that the weel was in there. Sorry.

[bladerunner]

that should read wheel not weel. Man my typing sucks. LOL

[Starfighter08]

What happened to the governements you removed (I already saw that "Aristocracy" could replace "Republic")?

Somebody mentioned "Imperialism" as a governement which I feel it's more like a doctrine than a form of gov.

Does the "Paper Currency" mean that you leave "Banking" away completely? What happens to the E-Bank then?

Just my two cents.

PS: I'm indeed impressed by the historical knowledege of Charles and Harlan

[Diodorus Sicilus]

In answer to a few questions...
The government advances were left out because Wes noted astutely that the governments could be included in other Advances, like Aristocracy (Monarchy), or Nationalism (Republic) - thus saving about 10 advances that would otherwise enable governments only.
Banks are included as Improvements (Buildings), but not Banking the Advance. Banks are available with Paper Currency, because the advent of paper currency and "instruments of credit" made modern international banking and trade financing possible.
Mathematics isn't listed as a separate advance because the applications of mathematics are included all over the ancient and classical ages: Masonry, Engineering, Astronomy, etc. One of the most critical later changes in mathematics is included: Decimal Theory is Wes's title for the 'Arabic Numerals' notation system (actually originated in India), which made modern mathematical notation possible.
Imperialism was indeed a government policy instead of a government, which is why it disappeared from the Tech Tree. I argued for an advance of Absolutism to enable Absolute Monarchies and a Versailles Wonder (A CtPII version of Philosopher's Stone: everybody likes you and you get embassies everywhere) but I don't think either will make the final cut - at least in this edition of Med Mod: The Next Generation Voyages Continuing Saga...

[Pintello]

Hi Wes,

Your proposed new techs and renamed old techs look good. I look forward to seeing how they work out in you tech tree. I have just one question, what does the Locutus tech give you and what are its prerequisites?

Regards,
Timothy Pintello

[bladerunner]

Sounds good. So what do i need to download to get this new tech tree.

[WesW]

The tech tree will be included in the next Alpha text update at my webpage. Also, check out the Tech Tree chronology I just finished posting. It will answer a lot of questions you might have, as well as provide you with reading material for the entire rest of the day,