Well I'm happy now... I had a revolution

[OmniGod]

I had my first revolution in the colonization scenario that I've created, and it resulted in the Americans... how realistic All I had to do was edit the gov't files, changing anarchy a little bit... I made the max cities 3 (just a number I liked) and martial law is 1 per unit, but since I had a larger empire and not a lot of militia in the city it and a few others decided to leave me... didn't loose anything major just every city I had in North America... the distance to capital must have played a role... but at least it's realistic, cuz who ever heard of a smooth transition of power... ala Russia to USSR to Russia... going to tweak it a little more and I'll check back with you guys...

Omni - the mapper turned moder - but I still map
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[MrFun]

Do you think we'll hear of any news of a revolution in Florida?

[Savant]

Omni, by changing the anarchy settings you set up a situation whereby any change in government results in a revolution me thinks.

That seems appropriate for some scenario-based features but in a usual game it would trigger chaos for any player.

I like the idea though for those instances where govt is assumed to be stable and any change in structure could undermine order and result in secession. I could envision a scenario where the idea is to maintain the integrity of a current govt structure in the face of forces (like income, resources, units) that make it tempting to change. The player would have to balance the gain of chaging to a more "effective" government with the certain loss of a portion of its "domain".

But the AI may not be able to figure that out. WOuldn't that place it at a more distinct disadvantage?

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[OmniGod]

The funny thing is Savant.... despite the AI having changed governments numerous times they've not experienced a revolution. I think it's due to them having a large number of troops in cities, at the time of the change I'm not sure... but sofar they seems unaffected... cheaters

Omni

[Dark Schwa]

I think any real revolution should be accompanied by a great deal of civil unrest. I'm thinking of real revolutions like the French revolution, the Republican and Communist revolutions in China, the Mexican revolution, etc.

Great idea.

[OmniGod]

Okay I think that this should work as I had hoped, the changes that I've made are as follows

quote: changes to govern.txt GOVERNMENT_ANARCHY { Icon ICON_GOV_ANARCHY Rank 0 SameRankAdvice GOVERNMENT_ANARCHY_SAME_RANK_ADVICE HigherRankAdvice GOVERNMENT_ANARCHY_HIGHER_RANK_ADVICE RationsExpectation -1 PositiveRationsCoef 1 NegativeRationsCoef 1 WorkdayExpectation -1 PositiveWorkdayCoef 1 NegativeWorkdayCoef 1 WagesExpectation -1 PositiveWagesCoef 1 NegativeWagesCoef 1 FoodCoef 0.75 ProductionCoef 0.75 InfrastructureCoefficient 0.25 CrimeCoef 2 CrimeOffset 95 KnowledgeCoef 0.1 MaxScienceRate 0 GoldCoef 0.75 CapitalizationCoefficient 0.25 UnitRushModifier 4 BuildingRushModifier 3 WonderRushModifier 6 EndGameRushModifier 6 MaxIncomingTrade 100000 MaxOutgoingTrade 100000 PollutionCoef 1 PollutionUnhappyCoef 0 SupportCoef 1 TurnsToNewReadiness 20 ReadyPeaceCoef 0.5 ReadyPeaceHP 0.5 ReadyAlertCoef 0.75 ReadyAlertHP 0.8 ReadyWarCoef 1 ReadyWarHP 1 DefenseCoef 1 WarDiscontentMaxUnits 0 WarDiscontentPerUnit 0.1 ConquestDistress -5 ConquestDistressDecay 0.2 OverseasCoef 0 OverseasDefeatDecay 0 OverseasDefeatCoef 1 HomeDefeatDecay 0.5 HomeDefeatCoef 1 MaxMartialLawUnits 5 #Greatest amount of forced happiness MartialLawEffect 1 #Forced happiness by militia units MartialLawThreshold 80 AtHomeRadius 2 EmpireDistanceScale 0.00001 MinEmpireDistance 100 MaxEmpireDistance 4000 TooManyCitiesThreshold 2 #Above this number causes unhappiness TooManyCitiesCoefficient 1.5 #Unhappiness per city above threshold ProfessionalUnits 0 GrowthRank 0 ProductionRank 0 CommerceRank 0 ScienceRank 0 GoldRank 0 MilitaryRank 0 PollutionRank 0 LoyaltyRank 0 MartialLawRank 0

As you can see people can get really unhappy, but if you look at your const.txt the riot level is set at 60... thus there's little chance that you'd have a revolution in the early years but if you decide to colonize, expand greatly and not keep the military up to match the growing size, you almost will have a revolution on your hands... good thing is that if you have a military presence nearby then you can easily retake some of the cities before the upstart nation can get going... the only problem I'm having is that to have specific civs start up you have to change the civilisation.txt... is there any other way to accomplish a random start rather than a follow the list start?

Any comments, think any changes should be made or did I make too much of a change?

Omni

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[Savant]

Omni, it may be good the AI are less affected as I thought the change would imperil them more. If they are relatively immune, that makes for a greater human challenge to balance the need for tech & resources with stability.

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