More Tricks and Exploits

[Frozzy]

Didn't we change Emporer to King?

[quinns]

Originally posted by redbull
Didn't we change Emporer to King?

Again -- To each their own. Players can agree to whatever they like. Do you know the thread where we said that we switched to King level?

[blackice]

no one's ever shown evidence of me cheating

You mean with the exception of you admitting to it?
Re read your post also you have said alot, math paul is the key to seeing if one is cheating, especially with this program.

So you declare i aint even a good ctp player

No one said that paul, the point was you and a few were cheating players well before you decided to inform quinns. Now this.....

150 gold a time hardley worth the arthrities.

150 gold per turn x 100 paul which is what you few have figured out. This program you have been using to a "science" has provided a valuable edge. Gold and pw to the tune of 150 to 200 each per turn, doesn't amount to squat, them why use it and or do it paul? lol

I still reackon i can beat any 2 here 2 v1 with out even trying,every turn saved to check the cheating, WHICH OTHERS MIGHT TRY

We do but we do not leave the game when losing check the oponents maps and start this program, you?

So you say i couldnt beat a newbie or even a fairly good player with out using the q trick lololol.

No but without the program and tricks you are not as good as you think you are....

I can beat anyone hear with out using the q trick and them using it.

So paul why do you use it? Paul why do you say you always use it when you are losing?

You aint even worthy of playing me 1 v1 and neither is your mumma. I proved that in our last game before u cheated.

I do not play with cheats paul, beside if you were as good as your ego you would not have cheated in the first place.

CHEATERS DONT PROSPER

Got you number one spot...mind you it's only in your head...

The game in question Paul here had the same amount of sols as me in fact in his cities he had way more. You will note there is no 5000000 million gold...You will note when paul quit he had lost his fleet... You will note if you do the math it was impossible for paul to have what he has.... Two screen shots for your amusement you will also note it was ten turns later by the time all my sols reached him.

Now the first pictures tell the true story the second one shows more. We know when people use this program when they do not host it creates things like what you see in the second picture. Explain to the good people here paul how you can have 3 pw?

I can it is a flaw with the program you use it has been tested to many times now and it is very consistant. It is a well known flaw paul ask the programer he clued us into this, plus adding it up, gold and pw I can say for sure you use this program to claim greatness. The proof is in the picture paul let alone the saves.

I wonder how many or your buddies actually know you do this. Dr Doom was on to something he just did not know exactly what it was, we do now. So Doom take back your appology...

You know what is funny paul saladino led me to this program...

So paul HOW DO YOU GET 3 PW in CTP.....

[lunger75]

I think that might produce burnout in a superleague
environment Redbull, 14 games is a lot.

[Paulno1]

Oh so you are accutually accusing me of using this program now ? I got saves from dam near the same time as those screen shots, i would show them but that is way the hell out of my knowledge of computers. I couldnt even manage to post all the saves onto this web page. I guess even ziped a few saves is too big. The save i have at the same time as your first screen shot shows me with 86 SOL and you with 150. I have 10800 and you have 6300 production. It just takes 2 seconds of looking at the maps to realise that i should absolutely thrash you, You have 19 mined mountains and i have 68 mined mountains with about another 12 not needed yet. I was thrashing you untill about 10 turns earlier untill you ranking went straight up for 10 turns and you were 2 inches ahead on ranking on this save. The mere fact of this game is my land is 300% better than yours so even if your a bit better than me theres no way you could ever beat me on this map unless you attacked real early but iwas ahead on tec too away. Remembering that you are certainly not better than me TOO

I doubt i could have beaten you with the maps reversed.

So your altered saves dont really mean anything posting the screen shots, because it only takes you 3 seconds to increase the money. I have no idea what you are on about when you are talking about the 3 pw'si dont understand at all what you mean, it doesnt make sense.

If anyone actually wants to see, give me your email and ill send a few saves all if they fit.

Blackice when i have heaps better land as i did in both cases, theres no way that you can have double the ranking in both cases. Especially in the second when i was leading the whole way by a long way before you cheated. Remember the second game was a 3 player game and i was not the only witness to the fact. Ask grafxfx some time about it if you see him in the lobbies.

CTP is all about maths so with 2 good playes the better land will win if it is a lot better. 80 mountains on 1 island basically and 19 spread over 2 islands at least COME ON.

Oh and thanks for your vote of confidence that i know enough about programing or what ever you actually need to alter the filies of ctp, to do it
I count for a living not work with computers

[Paulno1]

I also just noticed you had time to build academies in your cities, and noticed with 1 scientist you were get ting 36 science from a size 6 city, with no other science improvements. Is this right i dont think it is???

[Frozzy]

Originally posted by lunger75
I think that might produce burnout in a superleague
environment Redbull, 14 games is a lot.

Exactly, thats why it won't be used.

[blackice]

Paul how do you get 3 pw?

Just type away I have explained it and ya I accused you of that a post or two ago. So far you numbers are BS. and you have yet to answer the ulitimate question...Explain to the good people here how you get 3 PW....

Paul do the math I forgot you al ready have which is why 150 to 200 gold and pw, you now try to convince people is that it is not worth the time....

The screen shot says it all paul I was using the program and you have been using it from what I understand for some time now. You were nailed Paul and still are.

NOw EXPLAIN 3 PW PAUL

I can it is a flaw with the program you? It's your pw explain it...

Again Troll and Paul we are not alone here never have been. Several people have confirmed this programs use by you and others....No I did not mean you Troll in that list but why if you know it is being used do you then attack the ones that expose it?

Enough said people play with your PBEM APOLYTON friends, leave the rest to bask in thier own glory....
3 pw good one, I may add one you have yet to respond to. FLAKES....:

;0)

Blackice signing off from another mission to expose the flakes////

:0)

[blackice]

WHAT CAN"T HEAR YOU PAUL? YOU SAID YOU HAVE 3 PW BECAUSE?

STILL CAN"T HEAR YOU PAUL?

NOW TELL US ALL HERE PAUL HOW YOU HAVE FACTORIES AND MINES TO THE TUNE OF, ER LET"S SEE 200 GOLD AND 180 PW MORE PER TURN THAN WHAT YOU COULD PRODUCE BY THEN>>>>

3PW FIRST>>>:::::

Hero in is own mind........

TROLL WHERE ARE YOU?

Hummmmmm

Just another flake FINALLY exposed..............................


Play clean people sooner or later..................................

[blackice]

You were saying Quinn? ;0)

[Paulno1]

What do you mean by 3 pw's ? you mean 3 pw's left to spend ???????

I have to understand what you are on about before i can bother responding to YOU.

OH so you htink i use ramping or something now i cant understand any of your post so its pretty hard to respond.

NO body else on apolyton has actually played me i think,
gav has berx did kinda i think and quinns and i think that is all. For ramping you need to have gold to spend in the first place and it only gives you a very slight advantage. If anyone cares to notice i dont rush buy things till the quite cheap anyway generally.

Since you think i use a altered filies what the F**k would i need ramping for, i could just create gold at will just like you did and buy things out right. Ahhh bollucks to that .


You say you did the maths and worked out that i used ramping ?????

That wouldnt be possible with 30 cities and a hell of a lot of varibles. Lets not forget that if your city can only just finish building something next turn it doesnt allways quite finish it, you know what i mean ? I think the extra units that you build that turn, adds to the military support costs before the units are built and hence the support costs go up slightly and you dont have as much produciton to build. Hence the unit or building dont get built in 1 turn like you thought.

Anyone else notcied this its hard to explain.

it might actuallly be the units built on taht turn dont show up on military support till the start of your next turn hence, trying to make it so you only just complete something might not work.

This theory would make it impossible to use the maths or dammed hard

[Paulno1]

Take a look at this 5000000 gold 215 sol , icon on the side that says blackice and shows him as host
and look at the ranking HUGE with a pretty crappy looking civ

This is about as beautiful as proof gets, i dont know how the ranking could be falsified everything else can in theory i guess> You buy in 100's of sols and it goes straight on ranking next turn

[quinns]

Originally posted by blackice
You were saying Quinn? ;0)

Blackice, I have no idea what you are on about. I have seen no evidence of cheating whatsover. You must make your case clearer. You assume we all understand all by flashing a few screen shots. I am not that perceptive. Please explain in better detail what you are talking about. I am also still at a loss for what you mean by 3 PW.

[Nimrod]

Once I did see a bug, dont know if was in the game or a cheat program, that left your pw setting at x9. I remember either Fuzzy or Waterspoon and myself seeing. Its been a few years since it happened, but I havnt heard of it setting at 3. Is this what you are speaking of BI?

[blackice]

I have to understand what you are on about before i can bother responding to YOU.

Download the files Paul the screen shot of your civ shows you had pw set to three...How'd ya do that, it is a flaw in the cheat program you use to fix the game for yourself, in case you did not know.

Nimrod yes if anyone takes the time to view the images they will see pauls pw set at 3. This is a flaw in the program used to control pw, tested and a fact. Let's not forget this program is not new it has been around for several years now. Several players have been using it, that to has also been confirmed. BTW this is not the only save I have with paul at 3 pw or x9 or any other odd number it's just now we know why. 3 pw is just this example, the program creates this type of flaw when used. After monkeying with it for some time and help from the program designer this is a sure tell all of it's use in MP. PBEM is a little harder but it still leaves it's trail when in use.

My advice to players in mp is to save the game when someone leaves meet them in the lobby. When you resume the game let them fix thier civ. then save again back to the lobby. You can then resume the game knowing the program is not in use. Until the testing of the cheat fix is done this is the only way so far to ensure the program does not start that way.

Let's take your mines in this game for example. The pw required to get just the mines alone is 200x90 turns. That does not include the fisheries... On top of that Sols, mills, trade, improvements, troops blah blah blah. Paul you add about 200 pw and gold per turn period tested and tried several times against you.

The proof is in the pudding 3pw, let alone the math it is common with this program use. I could post on my sever every single game we have played and every single save for the good people to disect as I have done for a couple of years now...My guess is you learned this from ming, zeratul it is known he used this quite well....

Now about your save paul anyone can edit a save, how you can tell if it is edited you ask? Easy if you can not advance the turn it has been edited, end turn...I will say no more about this topic, ones that know will confirm I am right.

That is why we required all saves asap from the tourney paul...That is why we are still reviewing them...I could take your save and add 500 sols to your civ if I choose to, gold, pw etc...

Quinn, pw 3 no need to flash things for you... How can you say in the same post you do not know the point yet see no evidence of cheating????
Makes no sense to me you? anyone else? I simply do not understand how you can come to a conclusion without understanding the facts?

Email me quinn you are one I would like to show this thing to in great detail...lets get on this thing asap....
More eyes more testing the better.