More Tricks and Exploits

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by blackice

except I dont like cheaters!

Ok then tell us why you side with the cheaters? Tell us why you cheer the cheaters? Sure

Troll you can go on and on but reality is why are you here? You do not play PBEM yet you chant cheat on one of it's members or more when in reality the people you praise are the cheaters... No it is not personal in any way I am simply exposing another ruse by a GL endoser. So are you qwang? Which GL moderator are you troll? Give me time I will find this out too...I am surprised it took this long for this type of GL tripe...You have spent weeks aluding to cheaters here, this in it self in not the PBEM way...One of the main reason's I called you on this. You have been emailing me with questions and inquiries that you could have only got from your GL buddies. I surmise what you really want to know is if a fix and or capture is about. I assure you you will not get that info from me or anyone else here...Looks like GLER"S are on the run again...

Attacking sure Troll what is your aim here and who are the dl's?

The point is everyone that ever played GL as long as you claim, knew and knows of all the cheats yet you claim no I did not BS? The difference here is Quinns and other players expose and inform other players of them. We do not play innocent and coy let alone use they against opponents to claim greatness...

Solver do you see what is going down here? Lot's of BS obviously, I have played and knew all these gl players for years and never knew a cheat Good one troll.....

To the rest of you TWO Pbem is moderated it takes no effort what so ever to spot cheating, be it advancing turns or this cheat. It would seem you have no idea about this community what so ever to bad you are missing out on some great HONEST gaming. Paul a one on one PBEM game is at least finished let alone a 4x4. The biggest difference is it is moderated... None of you few GL cheats will play if you are watched closely. You used to brag Yoda was easy I will point out you GL ranking against yoda yet under the moderator system you got your butt kicked...
Why? Now you claim he is better, wonder why.... Dr. Doom was right so are many others and you know it.

You can rap all you like but very few people here cheat and or like cheaters, let alone people who back them....Now Paul being the honest up front guy he is and troll mister clean have yet to answer anyone on the difference between raming and rush buying...Why people?

Now back to the program on the adverage these guys are adding 100 to 200 gold per turn and the same for pw. Anyone ever wonder why someone has a map full of mines yet at the same time a map full of caravans yet at the same time pumping out sols by the tens with 15 cities? They have done their math real good here. They know as we have seen exactly how much and when, it has been tested and they know it to be true...

I did I now know why at first we thought it was a science crack.
Nope a cheat program carefully crafted and expertly used.

Anyone care to test my theory? How about you two jokers like a game?
I surmise after this these few cheats will play with themselves. This is good for us all...See ya...

Sweetheart, I never ever saiad, because in fact I havent ever played in GL..I have however, Now please, someone alert Vanna White and have her show Blackice what the difference in "LETTERS" Is...I said MP..Multiplayer..NOT GL=Game League, I have not played any GL I have however dabbled a few minor games with PBEM, but mostly either SP..(Meaning Single Player) or Scenario Making (thats where someone LEGALLY makes a scenario, and for the record use in SP..thats again Single Player Honey) and most assuredly MP ok class..what was that again??..Why Yes sweetherat thats Multiplayer, now in a sentence can you Honey possible use that word MP??..ok try this one for size..TROLL PLAYS MULTIPLAYER ONLINE, IN A S-E-R-V-E-R, LIKE NLINK OR GAMESRV AND USED TO IN ONE KNOWN AS CALI oh Did you think MP Meant Member of Parliament

No dear, I was referring to playing online, having fun, playing my game my way and yes, not cheating!

Ok, enuff sweenipples, stop being a little girl about it, some here have shared publicly what others have told me, now, I have no cheats and no one has any reason or proof but seems others say they do about you??..Now just lets grow up and stop this ok?...
Now lets see what a picture of you is walking away..Ah Yes..I think this is most appropriate!

~Peace~

[Solver]

This is insane like in the crazy house... really, a soap opera.

Tell me anyone, how the heck can Troll cheat if he only plays online games, not PBEM ones?

[Paulno1]

I am dam near paraletic so ill try and make sense
3 years of ctp, no one's ever shown evidence of me cheating . Doom accussed me of ramping and such fourth but has appoligised and all. So you declare i aint even a good ctp player lololollolol. There is only one person that is even close to being arguably better, no guess who it is. Ramping is a bunch of ass and so is your mother !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Who from GL ended up at apolyton i cant think of one. Please tell me who is too prove me wrong. PBEM isnt proper ctp cause you can look at the map any turn with no effort and your continuous crap has proved me that. Your sposed to be the over looker of all cheats and yet your the first person ive spotted cheating properly. Ill send the filies when i sober up. Ramping is impossible to prove unless you save every second or are complete master of maths even then it only saves you about 150 gold a time hardley worth the arthrities. I still reackon i can beat any 2 here 2 v1 with out even trying,every turn saved to check the cheating, WHICH OTHERS MIGHT TRY . So you say i couldnt beat a newbie or even a fairly good player with out using the q trick lololol. I can beat anyone hear with out using the q trick and them using it. Other than yoda and doom. You aint even worthy of playing me 1 v1 and neither is your mumma. I proved that in our last game before u cheated. I dont even play 1 v1 anymore so its pretty hard to argue cheating. I have to make it dam near impossible for me to win to have any enjoyment.
7 settelr starting vs 1 hehe. I have lost a game that way

To even think that even 2 people on gl is better than me makes me wanna come over and prove my point

Ive played this game far far far too much to ever lose to any non 3 year vet. PRACTICE MAKES PERFECT, and CHEATERS DONT PROSPER and your mumma aint worth $2

[TheBirdMan]

Who was the infector

Does that virus spread along traderoutes

And have anyone seen the doctor

[jpww]

Does that virus spread along traderoutes

[quinns]

Originally posted by Paulno1
PBEM isnt proper ctp cause you can look at the map any turn with no effort

Right, but we don't. We have to rely on trust in PBEM. Without trust, you're right, the results of the game are meaningless. I can honestly say that I have never looked at another player's map in a PBEM game until the game was over. There are many here who can back up my words. I do not cheat.

I can beat anyone hear with out using the q trick and them using it. Other than yoda and doom.

Paul, I, personally, do not believe that you cheat. To settle your above contention though, I want to play you one vs. one, though I know you have retired from 1 vs. 1. I only have time to play PBEM. I have a little daughter now and my CTP time is limited to about 30 minutes a day. Again, if you accept the PBEM challenge, I promise to never look at your map or cheat in any other way.

I make the same offer to Yoda and Dr. Doom even though Dr. Doom has declined to play PBEM against me. Yoda has also ignored my challenge, so I hope that you do not. Paul, it only takes a few minutes a day to play PBEM. If you have time to play 6 to 8 hours in a row, I don't understand how a few minutes can be a problem. Let's bridge this Internet/PBEM gap and settle this issue once and for all. Do you accept the challenge?

There is a way that we can play to equalize the random map starting position. I start the random map game and do nothing and then "End". I then send you that turn AND open the turn I just sent you and play that one as the other player. That is, there are TWO games going at once between us with swapped starting positions. Whoever wins BOTH matches is the victor. Any other result is a draw. How is that?

[Grandpa Troll]

Excellent Response!

Originally posted by quinns


Right, but we don't. We have to rely on trust in PBEM. Without trust, you're right, the results of the game are meaningless. I can honestly say that I have never looked at another player's map in a PBEM game until the game was over. There are many here who can back up my words. I do not cheat.



Paul, I, personally, do not believe that you cheat. To settle your above contention though, I want to play you one vs. one, though I know you have retired from 1 vs. 1. I only have time to play PBEM. I have a little daughter now and my CTP time is limited to about 30 minutes a day. Again, if you accept the PBEM challenge, I promise to never look at your map or cheat in any other way.

I make the same offer to Yoda and Dr. Doom even though Dr. Doom has declined to play PBEM against me. Yoda has also ignored my challenge, so I hope that you do not. Paul, it only takes a few minutes a day to play PBEM. If you have time to play 6 to 8 hours in a row, I don't understand how a few minutes can be a problem. Let's bridge this Internet/PBEM gap and settle this issue once and for all. Do you accept the challenge?

There is a way that we can play to equalize the random map starting position. I start the random map game and do nothing and then "End". I then send you that turn AND open the turn I just sent you and play that one as the other player. That is, there are TWO games going at once between us with swapped starting positions. Whoever wins BOTH matches is the victor. Any other result is a draw. How is that?

Your a nice chap Quinns!

That is a great example of how to respond, me, I would probably get wiped by you in MP..maybe not, but probably so...forI do trust you also Quinns and I do trust a lot here, I just know that some folks do choose to use "shortcuts" or "Exploits" or "Tricks"..hey, if it aint a cheat post it and how to use it and how to detect it and then everyone can use it!! Hey, By George , I think if we can all just stop using any thing all the community doesnt know about and play without the "Crutches" I believe that the CTP Community will be a much stronger place, Why I even think I see a new leader we could have, One with Sound Conviction, Sound Advice and Sound[s] like an Honest person......

[Frozzy]

I prefer PBEM because I feel "safer" in these games than in MP, because I trust the people playing around me, and they have a good rep. Half of the people in the lobbies don't.

[checkMate]

> Quinns WROTE:
"There is a way that we can play to equalize the
random map starting position. I start the random map game and do nothing and then "End". I then send
you that turn AND open the turn I just sent you and
play that one as the other player. That is, there are TWO games going at once between us with swapped starting positions. Whoever wins BOTH matches is the victor. Any other result is a draw. How is that?"

Heh that is pretty good. Why don't the super league and pbem challenges take that up as a rule?

[Frozzy]

Complications with sending the wrong turn.

[checkMate]

Yes, I think it would get tough to tell which was which. Is it possible to change the email names after you start. I think so. Then you could give the email recipience names be different which might help. At lest you could keep the files seperate. Of course if you as feeble minded as me, probably forget which files went with which game.

[quinns]

With two players it wouldn't be that confusing. It would be with more than two.

[Paulno1]

Hey Quinns, I thought i said I could beat anyone here 2 v1 not 1 v1
So you think you are worthy of a 1 v1 . I guess i can spare some time for a PBEM game. But i reserve the right if i hate PBEM early to throw in the towl
I guess that playing 2 games at once could be a good idea.

My Email is pa_coutts@hotmail.com

[Frozzy]

I'll revise the situation concerning two games for SuperLeague II (if it happens ), but it may produce burnout, as it is 2 games for the price of 1. I'll think about it.

[quinns]

Originally posted by Paulno1
Hey Quinns, I thought i said I could beat anyone here 2 v1 not 1 v1
So you think you are worthy of a 1 v1 . I guess i can spare some time for a PBEM game. But i reserve the right if i hate PBEM early to throw in the towl
I guess that playing 2 games at once could be a good idea.

My Email is pa_coutts@hotmail.com

Alright Paul!! I am not WORTHY! But let's go anyhow. Check out the below Standard challenge match settings. I hope you agree with these. If not, let me know which ones to change. In addition, we'll add the dual game equalization method (outlined above). Ours will be the first true "Equalized DUAL Random Map DUEL" !

Standard Challenge Match Settings:

(Players should agree which settings to use. These are the standard settings, but can be changed to suit the players' wishes.)

Map size: Huge -- Randomized
Difficulty: Emperor
Barbarians: Ruins Only
Ruins: Off Limits -- No Entry
Earth World
Bloodlust Off
Pollution On
Number of Civilizations: 4
(2 Human Players, 2 Computer Players)
Map:
Wet/Dry 50%
Warm/Cold 50%
Ocean/Land 50%
Island/Continent 50%
Uniform/Diverse 50%
Few/Many Goods 50%
One Settler (default)
100 Gold (default)