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Originally posted by redbull
Also, I heard nothing about the PBEM tourney
Really? Odd for someone you asked about it in the RC
OK, I haven't make it widely known yet because I haven't complete it. But I already have posted about it in the PBEM Challenges and the World Cup for a particular reason.
Pretty strange defining a system where players compete each other gathering points, as not a tournament or at list a ladder but as a league
Of cource it's up to you and the rest who are interested upon your idea - which is not bad at all - but one on one challenges are already rolling with a specific ladder system and the rating every 10 turns with bonuses on winning a game are already in effect in the Ratings & Rankings. Why really not support the latter which counters so many problems lately after so much effort put by so many people...
Before overloading players with PBEM games consider this:
Do you want a PBEM Tournment or not?
Keygen, the rules actually state you cannot have more than 2 games running at once
Keygen, I suppose your totally against the idea of a SuperLeague, or you haven't read the objective of the league.
Well, consider the following statements:
1. SuperLeague is a TEAM EFFORT. Unlike the rankings, PBEM challenges, or your tournament, one person dosen't win.
2. The rankings are for all types of games, not just 1 on 1, or 2 on 2 matches.
3. The Team status makes it twice as easy, or twice as hard to win. Consider this. You have your partner, and he's just been obliterated. Now, you are against 2 people in an allied pact. You'll lose points, because you'll never get ahead every x9 turn against 2 opponents, and you have to concentrate on them one by one.
4. This idea has never been created on 'poly as far as I know (i.e. the TEAM LEAGUE idea, so don't throw Lungmatch, or Team Spirit at me)
5. The winner won't necessarily be the best players, it also has communication involved too, unlike the rankings or your tournament
Just a few points on why the SuperLeague isn't a bad idea.
And Keygen, I'm actually quite insulted your accusing my idea as just overloading players with more games , as I have specifically said to other players on Apolyton, and yourself that you cannot have more than 2 games running. If your accusing the SuperLeague of burning out players, why not have the same rule on the normal games?
Keygen, I suppose your totally against the idea of a SuperLeague, or you haven't read the objective of the league.
No, I am not
In the contrary I would support it if the timing wasn't bad.
It's just that some people might have tight schedule and joinning new games - even 2 - might force them to refrain from joinning further games for the next months. Now a tournament counts only if many people participate. Besides the first stage will end in 2-3 months leaving at list half of the participants in all categories out of the tournament
I only ask that people are notified for the tournament before they join other games and decide what to choose
1. SuperLeague is a TEAM EFFORT. Unlike the rankings, PBEM challenges, or your tournament, one person dosen't win.
The Tribal (2x2) category of the tournament is about team effort as well.
Originally posted by redbull
2. The rankings are for all types of games, not just 1 on 1, or 2 on 2 matches.
It figures
Originally posted by redbull
3. The Team status makes it twice as easy, or twice as hard to win. Consider this. You have your partner, and he's just been obliterated. Now, you are against 2 people in an allied pact. You'll lose points, because you'll never get ahead every x9 turn against 2 opponents, and you have to concentrate on them one by one.
That's similar to all team games currently in progress and exactly the same in Tribal. What's your point?
Originally posted by redbull
4. This idea has never been created on 'poly as far as I know (i.e. the TEAM LEAGUE idea, so don't throw Lungmatch, or Team Spirit at me)
It has. Tribes by Gavrushka some months ago but since it was never implemented you can claim some sort of that
Originally posted by redbull
5. The winner won't necessarily be the best players, it also has communication involved too, unlike the rankings or your tournament
Not the best? Not true regarding the one on one. True for two on two but that is also true for any game more than 2 players. E.g. in a 3-player game the two weaker can ally and beat the stronger one
Originally posted by redbull
Just a few points on why the SuperLeague isn't a bad idea.
I think I mentioned in an earlier post of mine that it's not a bad idea too
Originally posted by redbull And Keygen, I'm actually quite insulted your accusing my idea as just overloading players with more games , as I have specifically said to other players on Apolyton, and yourself that you cannot have more than 2 games running. If your accusing the SuperLeague of burning out players, why not have the same rule on the normal games?
Insulted?
You're pretty touchy, aren't you?
When did I accused you for burning out players? In the contrary your league might drag new people in our community in the future, who knows?
I only need all available resources for the tournament while perhaps you don't, at list straightforward
I have to partially agree with Keygen. While the SuperLeague idea is good it might be a bit too much... we've got an online world cup, we got tons of rated PBEM games, and me and Locutus were thinking of giving you another thing, now here this and PBEM Tournament of Keygen... really, a bit too much.
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No, I am not
In the contrary I would support it if the timing wasn't bad.
It's just that some people might have tight schedule and joinning new games - even 2 - might force them to refrain from joinning further games for the next months. Now a tournament counts only if many people participate. Besides the first stage will end in 2-3 months leaving at list half of the participants in all categories out of the tournament
I only ask that people are notified for the tournament before they join other games and decide what to choose
Hmmm... Keygen, perhaps we can come to some sort of agreement on this. Perhaps, I could change the rules slightly, so that a team can only have one superleague game running for the duration of the first 2 rounds of your tournament, then as player get K.Oed, we can make it so players in the SuperLeague and have been K.Oed from the Tourney can have 2 games running. thus, it would be no different to having a regular PBEM game running.
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Originally posted by redbull
5. The winner won't necessarily be the best players, it also has communication involved too, unlike the rankings or your tournament
Not the best? Not true regarding the one on one. True for two on two but that is also true for any game more than 2 players. E.g. in a 3-player game the two weaker can ally and beat the stronger one
I was actually referring to the outcome of the league. If one team are good at team work, they'll get more points than a team with just one player doing 1 on 1 challenges.
Also, as for you and Locutus' idea, the SuperLeague could slow down (like we'll do for Keygen's tourney) for the duration the event, and such.
I am sorry for causing this disagreement. If you still don't agree with any of my suggestions of slowing the SuperLeague so your tournament can go ahead as planned. I would be more than happy to allow your tournament to take presidence over the current PBEM games, and my SuperLeague if worst comes to worst. I believe that there will be a mass slowing in PBEM turn rates, with two major competitions starting at more or less the same time.
Also, if anyone had replied to me, when I asked about a PBEM tourney, then I wouldn't have started the League
Hmmm... Keygen, perhaps we can come to some sort of agreement on this. Perhaps, I could change the rules slightly, so that a team can only have one superleague game running for the duration of the first 2 rounds of your tournament, then as player get K.Oed, we can make it so players in the SuperLeague and have been K.Oed from the Tourney can have 2 games running. thus, it would be no different to having a regular PBEM game running.
I would suggest you take advantage of the Quinn's PBEM Challenges and merge your team part with them. Then you will already have the one on one games going and only need to make the teams from the people on the PBEM Challenges and the Superleague. This way you promote both yours and Quinn's ideas
Whether you go with Quinns or by yourself I only ask that you delay the implementation of it for a couple of weeks so I can throw my idea and gather people
I believe that when CtP PBEM gaming will start to slowly fade away, the 1x1 and 2x2 games and generally the games with few participants will die last.
Okay... Quinns prefers the idea of a simple ladder, which I agree with for 1 on 1 challenges. However, the fact that there are 1 on 1 and 2x2 games make a ladder impractical. However I am already discussing with Quinns about the SuperLeague, but no clear path has been defined. It would seem, from my point of view, that the SuperLeague would have to be separate, unless myself or Quinns can come to an agreement on this.
Originally posted by redbull
Okay... Quinns prefers the idea of a simple ladder, which I agree with for 1 on 1 challenges. However, the fact that there are 1 on 1 and 2x2 games make a ladder impractical. However I am already discussing with Quinns about the SuperLeague, but no clear path has been defined. It would seem, from my point of view, that the SuperLeague would have to be separate, unless myself or Quinns can come to an agreement on this.
Update on the Quinns-SuperLeague talks:
I have e-mailed Quinns an idea, which has the PBEM Challenges going toward SuperLeague points. Thus, We can still have the ladder for 1 on 1 challenges, and have 1 on 1 challenges in the SuperLeague. However, Quinns is aware of the possible flaws in the pointing system, and I will draw up a draft of the rules tonight NZST (GMT + 12), hopefully diminishing these bugs. So, it's still 50-50 in the talks, but hopefully I can get the 1 on 1 challenges to suit all
Although the outlook for 1 on 1 challenges is promising, the lack of 2 on 2 challenges mean that a separate 2 on 2 challenges is in order, so I'm sorry I couldn't do anything preventing this.
So, the look I'm gunning for is:
1 on 1 challenges are in the PBEM challenge thread, and all matches have an outcome on the SuperLeague table.
2 on 2 challenges are in a separate thread, and will have an outcome on the SuperLeague table.
I hope this will satisfy all concerned, especially Solv and Keygen because they seem to have got rather annoyed at the timing of the League.
I don't know why I'm asking this Keygen... but how about making your tourney an "annual" event. The winners of the two by two section get auto qualification to the next season of SuperLeague, reagrdless of space. I'll also make it so the winners of the SuperLeague get auto qual too. Knowing CtP, it won't be around for many more years, but perhaps we could "move" the event to Civ 3 (or 4 if its out) when CtP finally dies.
, as I have specifically said to other players on Apolyton, and yourself that you cannot have more than 2 games running. If your accusing the SuperLeague of burning out players, why not have the same rule on the normal games?
it might be a bit too much... we've got an online world cup, we got tons of rated PBEM games, and me and Locutus were thinking of giving you another thing, now here this and PBEM Tournament of Keygen... really, a bit too much.
Feeling a little down today Keygen? 
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