CtP Competition player lists - Filix, Patryn post

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by Solver
What I posted in the previous thread is final. Nanite defuser in!

Troll - so you think we include Patryn still? Oh, and I'll ban Faded whenever I can .

I wasnt sure Solver, just read a post looking fer him, thought. now there must be something constructive I can add to this post

By the way, if I had frequent flyer miles, Id give them to you EACH TIME YOU BANNED F G.. but since I dont, Ill just ease on out to the sidelines, and best of fortunes my friend!!!

Troll

[quinns]

Originally posted by berXpert
Where do I sign? I want to enter if there is some place open.

You just did.

Here is the list, BerXpert. You are number 15:

1. Gavrushka
2. Dragon1
3. Faded Glory
4. Filix
5. Darth Viper
6. Yoda
7. Patryn
8. Swissy
9. Catete
10. Paulno1
11. Pin
12. Quinns
13. DeVil
14. Dr. Doom
15. BerXpert

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by quinns


You just did.

Here is the list, BerXpert. You are number 15:

1. Gavrushka
2. Dragon1
3. Faded Glory
4. Filix
5. Darth Viper
6. Yoda
7. Patryn
8. Swissy
9. Catete
10. Paulno1
11. Pin
12. Quinns
13. DeVil
14. Dr. Doom
15. BerXpert

Hey Solver.check out #7.. I think this is why I thought you still included Patryn..

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[Dr. Doom1]

Hey:

I see somewhere in a previous posting that someone thanked me for donating prize money. Sorry I did not.

I told Gavrushka early on that if he could make 17,000 gold appear in his kitty on the tourney map, owing to some program glitch, that I would match the prize money.

This appears not to have come to pass, and so neither will my donation.

By the way, I offered to play anyone darned near anytime their first tournament game. But I still haven't had a single offer.

Are we going to get this tournament underway or not?

Dr. Doom

[Solver]

Thanks BerXpert, we were waiting on you, to join. Now that all 15 are here, we may be starting.

Only thing I need now is Gavrushka. And Doom - so you're not satisfied by the tourney, I feel, and don't give the money !

[drAgON1]

Sorry But We Have The Wrong Map

I feel after playtesting this map that it is not a "proper" world tourney map. The games will all be pretty much the same. There are very few options to winning. The games will be a science race to nukes and jets..then boom. There is no competion for land/resources. Posting a few gaurds will hold off any early attacks,therfore; I do not see any real stratagy. I hope everyone will reconsider a new map. I suggest each civ starts with a rather small island north and south,of course the would have enough goods and land to start the game but not nearly enough to win. Fours to 8 islands in the middle with say 4 to 8 small water passages to the other players side. That way land units could hold off ships if needed. Of couse make those islands in the middle big enough that land war should take place. I would prefer this land war would be needed before modern units because the techs you choose when first going into mordern would make a huge difference.(Better Air UNits? Land? or ships?... first). That way this would keep pressure on defense as well as civ building.Say 2 or so meduim islands kinnda close by the starting islands that are ok.. but will need a lot of terraforming to be great. This gives players options and many ways to win. Should i go for the goodies in the middle and defend those or terraform my close islands and mass an army kinda ealry so i can take what the other has built in the middle? Or it could be a constant war in land and sea in the middle battling to hold on to those game winningg goodies.
NOTE: If nukes are on i really dont think it brings out the best part of the game..however i think this kind of map would be much better suited for nukes then the one we currently have.

Anyway just about what i hope I envisoned in your minds. It would give more options and the game will be alot more interesting.


P.S. Sorry for the late response but i was hoping some one else would say it. Anyway I AM the one to blame for trying to make this tourney interesting and open to options for many different playing styles.THANK YOU for reading i hope to read everyones' thoughts.

[J Bytheway]

Originally posted by Solver
Doom - so you're not satisfied by the tourney, I feel, and don't give the money !

I hope you're not mad at him for not giving money he never offered in the first place. It was just a way of getting his point across...

[Solver]

Dragon - ahh, you see, I'm really getting the impression that, if we continue like this, we won't start this tourney anytime soon . I was expecting to start games this week, but again, even this doesn't look too real. So, I urge you to consider something...

Sure I'm not angry at Doom, just that we all though he offered that money. OK, OK.

[quinns]

Ugh... Here we go again. This is beginning to get ridiculous.

[drAgON1]

Dragon - ahh, you see, I'm really getting the impression that, if we continue like this, we won't start this tourney anytime soon . I was expecting to start games this week, but again, even this doesn't look too real. So, I urge you to consider something...

Well, what would you like me to consider? Playing the same boring map for 100-200 hours???Only to go for the same things to win over and over?? To me that is WORK ! I not the CTP I love to play. If we stick with this map then your right this tourney will never be finished. If fact, as far as the nukes go, you have really disappointed many of the worlds greatest players here.My point:Nukes+ pollution WITH disasters is stupid! If you Gav, Solver, Quinns,Ice, or Swissy want this tourney to be done right you guys need to understand that there isnt much stratagy with nukes on. My points is that the map does not include but two real playing stlyes. Mostly the best civ builder will win. You anyone here likes to sneak attack early then you will lose this map as well as any sea or nearly any land units. Air power with come into play way too quick/w nukes-Trust me. That is boring.

Ugh... Here we go again. This is beginning to get ridiculous

Quinns, All I am saying is if this tourney is gonna be finished and the times by all players will be 100+ hours.... WHY NOT TAKE THE TIME NOW AND MAKE AT LEAST ONE GOOD MAP!? Do not get me wrong, J's map is great for the civ builders, but like I have said there is not very many options. He does not really understand how the game will be played therefore it is difficult for him to make an "all around" player style map. This map I have in mind will need playtest and such, but lets not be lazy when it comes to a "world tournement".

[Kralj Matjaz]

Why must always be some nagger there ?
If you don't like it don't play it!

[quinns]

Point taken, Dragon1, but is it really that bad? For example, when you were testing the COMP2B scenario, on what turn number did you create your first nuke? Is it really true that NOBODY can attack or have SDI's in place before the nukes are flying?

Look at the game of Chess. It is played on a boring 8x8 map with each side having exactly the same pieces (yawn...). Every game should turn out pretty much the same -- right? With maybe two strategies -- right? Wrong. Chess, with its relatively extremely simple rules, can be an enormously complex game with thousands of different strategies. I cannot believe that CTP, which is at least 1,000 times more complex than Chess, will end up with only two winning strategies using this map. I just cannot believe that. Maybe I am wrong, but I don't think so.

Let's just go with this map for the first round (8 matches) as was suggested earlier. If it turns out that you are right, THEN let's get a new map.

Solver, you should get one more player, (I think Nuke Boy wanted in). That will make it an even 16 players. Then put all the names in a hat, randomly DRAW out the pairings for the first round, and post the pairings here. This volunteer pairing idea is not working. Gavrushka could not make it to the Gavrushka v. Quinns match last Saturday, so I do not think there are any matches underway right now.

The FIFA World Cup has put many competitors out of this discussion. I know Gavrushka is cheering for the United Kingdom and is temporarily out of commission.

Dr. Doom, in the above rules and setup post, I changed the prize money back to $1000 USD from Gavrushka alone and removed your name from the donation list.

[Gavrushka]

I'm just working hard here I am afraid... 15+ hours every day... I ain't even had a chance for any MP (apart from a few brief hours last weekend) ... I want everyone to feel sorry for me and send me flowers

I do make time to watch England play though....

[Dr. Doom1]

Dragon:

Every map you can think of is going to get a little dull after playing it 15+ times. But you know what? I've tested the map a few times and, even though you're right on some of your points, it's still darned good map. And in fact it's quite challenging; if you doubt this you'll find out soon enough. The best player is going to win on it; that's the most important priority.

You're never going to be able to please everyone. Suggestions are easy to make, but constructing a good map ain't that easy. It's a lot of slow tedious work actually.

So why don't we play the first tournament on the current map, and that way you will have lot's of time to construct the map for the next tournament?

Still waiting for any offers for a start, by the way. E-mail is nova20001@hotmail.com

Dr. Doom

[Solver]

Quinns, I'll talk to NukeBoy to get 16...

Dragon, I must agree with Quinns. Do you really think that any attack can be held off before Nukes? Isn't it possible to go with Cavalry and SOTL?

As Doom points out, making a map is very tedious and difficult, and to avoid this getting too ridicilous, let's stick with everything as is. Really, any map will get boring after 15 games.

So, can we start the first games now?