Ctp Pbem Rankings 12th April 2002

[Gavrushka]

P..NAME.......................SCORE..WINS...LOSSES ..LOC...
1. LUNG.......................30.8350..58.....23..... .AUS.SW
2. The.Birdman................29.2740..159....125.... .DEN
3. Swissy.....................27.9230..56.....7...... .USA.Il
4. Blackice...................26.3010..6......6...... .CAN
5. Hunter.....................26.1910..28.....17..... .NZL
6. Klair......................25.4370..48.....0...... .Fra
7. Kambei.....................24.6440..3......1...... .FRA
8. Nimrod.....................24.5800..8......5...... .Unknown
9. Mobius.....................23.3120..56.....10..... .GBR.EN
10. Don........................23.1990..2......1...... .unknown
11. Faded.Glory................22.2950..44.....44..... .USA
12. Rick.Elkins................22.0740..41.....15..... .USA.NY
13. Rubbduck...................21.5850..32.....2...... .GER
14. DEVIL......................21.4480..22.....8...... .LAT
15. Kralj_Matjaz...............21.2470..70.....26..... .SLO
16. JESUMI.....................21.0000..0......0...... .ESP
17. Siderakis..................21.0000..0......0...... .FRA
18. Quinns.....................20.8500..99.....68..... .USA.CA
19. Stavros....................20.2670..113....81..... .GER
20. Alesia.....................20.2610..1......2...... .GBR.SCO
21. Notuncommon................20.1000..24.....15..... .DEN
22. 420........................20.0530..32.....23..... .USA.IL
23. The_True_Demosthenes.......20.0120..13.....58..... .GBR.EN
24. Flameflash.................19.9160..0......1...... .MacLand
25. Berxpert...................19.7380..90.....26..... .MEX
26. ZobozeWarrior..............19.5900..44.....26..... .FRA
27. JPWW.......................19.2770..35.....22..... .USA.GA
28. Maestro....................19.0760..10.....18..... .BEL
29. Keygen.....................18.8260..40.....37..... .GRE
30. Max.Webster................18.7810..40.....28..... .CAN
31. Gavrushka..................18.6240..4......6...... .GBR.EN
32. Slamp......................18.6010..37.....24..... .FRA
33. Arthur.....................18.4660..22.....54..... .USA.UT
34. Dugrik.....................18.3410..48.....51..... .USA.TX
35. Vitolg.....................18.0780..11.....20..... .CAN
36. ST.Jon.....................17.3780..64.....100.... .GBR.EN
37. Solver.....................16.8580..21.....70..... .LAT
38. Franses....................16.2540..46.....44..... .NED
39. Nuke.Boy...................15.5870..70.....74..... .USA.FL
40. Eohian.....................15.5660..3......21..... .USA.CA
41. Cuaich.....................14.5300..7......21..... .CAN
42. FRAZE......................14.4650..52.....60..... .GBR
43. PAUL.......................14.4250..51.....93..... .NED
44. King.Thor..................13.0730..63.....140.... .USA.FL
45. Krash......................12.9460..24.....34..... .GBR.EN
46. Phoenixcager...............12.7590..14.....50..... .SGP
47. SYORSIS....................12.3800..9......33..... .GBR.EN
48. Darth.Viper................11.2040..11.....38..... .NED

Each player stakes 10% of their score on the outcome of a game, these 10%s are added together and divided according to position in the game dictated by powergraph order every x9th turn.

The present system rewards higher ranked players less for victories against lower ranked players and vica versa... the % reallocation based on 10% stake is:

PLAYERS
2..1ST..67%..2nd..33%
3..1ST..54%..2nd..31%..3rd..15%
4..1ST..46%..2nd..29%..3rd..17%..4th..8%
5..1ST..41%..2nd..27%..3rd..17%..4th..10%..5th..5%
6..1ST..36%..2nd..25%..3rd..17%..4th..11%..5th..7% ..6th..4%
7..1ST..33%..2nd..23%..3rd..16%..4th..12%..5th..8% ..6th..5%..7th..3%
8..1ST..30%..2nd..22%..3rd..16%..4th..12%..5th..8% ..6th..6%..7th..4%..8th..2%



A warm welcome to Flameflash, and Alesia.... and there are another 6 players who will be added to the ratings as soon as their first rated turn comes up.

[Gavrushka]

The next update is due 26th April 2002... If you don't see it, shout... JPWW, I can rely on you to shout loudest can I not??

[ZoboZeWarrior]

What kind of program do you use ?

[Gavrushka]

I don't...... I have a database that holds the results, but it is a Calculator that works out the individual scores... I asked someone for help as to automating it, but nothing came of it unfortunately..... It takes about 2 hours to do a weeks results, then a further hour to Format it!

I am not very computer literate.. even though I did a degree in it.... just toooooooo many years ago to be of any value

[TheBirdMan]

From 11 to 2!

Not bad my lad (that's me), writing congratulation to myself

[Solver]

Damn, I again clicked Post Reply instead of using the quick reply .

In any case, thanks Gav for updating in two weeks (if you will ). I tried to automate this once, but proved to be kinda tough. However, I did do this, later. But only partially. It was like this: enter start scores in Excel, and it gives you the end scores automatically.

However, I didn't get to do the full automation - storing results. Am not sure I know the formulas by heart, still .

[Gavrushka]

Solver note the world tennis ranking system is no longer in use... I could not work out how to use it!!!!!

Also apologies to Lung... I had made an error in his score, now corrected..... Also Lung no longer gains from his Death Matches because of the score differential.... There is one solution, but makes the scores very volatile and go up quickly... And that is to use a 10% stake as is now, but not to then take 10% off the score as at present but just to add the results to present score... this is how Internet rankings work

[TheBirdMan]

Dang it - that made the gap between me and David the aussie MooseLover bigger.

But that's ok. I'll get him sooner or later anyway

Else I have to do the same as Mobius

Visit Australia and Lung(!) going to drink all his beers.....

[ZoboZeWarrior]

I can try to help you for the program ...

[jpww]

Originally posted by Gavrushka
The next update is due 26th April 2002... If you don't see it, shout... JPWW, I can rely on you to shout loudest can I not??

What???? I thought you were supposed to update the ratings every hour on the hour!!!!

What are we paying you for???

[Dugrik]

The problem is this 'every tenth turn' rule. How many times have you been ranked first on turn *4 or *6, only to plummet to fourth when turn *9 rolls around. Too many, I bet! The solution: post rankings every turn and rerun the ratings immediately upon posting! Yeah, yeah, that's the ticket.

[faded glory]

bah! Lung is scum of the earth......


And I still see many people who dont play? I also cant fuckin seem to get past 11. Bwaaaaah~~~!

I guess its tie for me to go unrated in all my bad games!

[Gavrushka]

Originally posted by jpww


What???? I thought you were supposed to update the ratings every hour on the hour!!!!

What are we paying you for???

I am a slave to the people.... I shall set my alarm..

[Gavrushka]

Faded, now your score.... you either do well in a game, or very badly - I ran through the results for you, and your score raised to 25.5 before dropping back...

IF anyone can write a small program that contains a database of users where U can enter how many people are in the rated turn, enter there names, and auto update the database I would be highly appreciative of it... The Maths is very very simple... Zobo if you could help I would really really appreciate it...

Also it was mentioned earlier about two player PBEMs - I will not rate them, as we all know they run very fast- often 9 turns can run in a day, and someone who takes the lead will keep the lead, and a run of positive results will artificially boost somebody too far up the rankings, in a question of days....

I also think it is time to promote team play - and have a rankings chart for that... Keygen was working on 3 team games last I heard, and I have started two, but has anyone got any idea of how to work the rankings?? Bare in mind that some team games have different numbers of players on each side... I believe that clearly defined objectives should have points awarded for them - Things like poiints for Capturing an enemy city, points for hitting each age first - I don't know, but the subject should be thrown open to debate, do people even want to play in teams???

Dugrik, I know that people attempt to claim the powergraph on turn x9... it can be done by arranging settlers to come out at the right time, spending money on the purchase of city improvements, reducing public works.... I think unlike the guy who used to do the ratings, I am very very much open to constructive, erm constructive suggestions as how to run the rankings better.. The only issue with your suggestion Dugrik is the volume of work... It is too much... it takes me two hours for a weeks results... it would mean 20 hours for a weeks results... so the answer is that is not possible...... HOWEVER if Zobo comes up with a program - it could be done every 5 turns???

[Solver]

Yes Gav, the ratings have gone pretty far, I know the tennis system is no longer, and I'm unhappy because of that. Personally I found the formulas of Quinns very nice and easy to use, so I prefered that way.

Now, what I need is a detailed explanation of what you use now.

And I think that rating on *9 turns is fine, and needs no change - that's completely fundamental!