Someone Answer me this...

[Gavrushka]

Faded just raised a pretty relevant point..... yeh I know, I saw the flying pig too...... Being good at MP, does not mean being good at PBEM, in fact often the opposite is the case... There is no other way to put it..... I SUCK at PBEM, but am rarely beaten at Internet Games... Now I have played a couple of PBEMers online, and beat them, and beat them easily.... Hopefully I will play Lung, the leader of the PBEM Rankings soon, and he expects to beat me easily, and the reverse is likewise true.... So why is it, after all it is the same game, that Excellent PBEMers are worse than newborns online, and Excellent MP players are truly awful at PBEM...

[Gavrushka]

I know it will raise a few eyebrows me ticking the looking at other peoples turn option on the poll.... We are a cross section of society, and I am sure someone in PBEM must do it, although this is an opinion and I aint accusing anyone!!

[Lung]

I don't expect to beat you easily, Gav!

I expect a tough encounter, with you as the favourite. I do, however, expect to give you a few surprises

I suspect that i will be weaker at online multiplayer, but it does suit my strength i.e. warfare

[Gavrushka]

Yeh I hope it is a good one Lung.... If warfare is your strength rather than Diplomacy, then you should be well suited to Internet Play... Be careful it is quite a buzz, and very addictive... But why the difference though?? IN MP I will have 35 cities and science of 1600 by turn 60, in PBEM I'll have 15 cities and a science of 400 and be last on powergraph... Maybe there is more luck in PBEM.... no one restarts PBEMs if the land is bad.. There are only two PBEMs I do well at, and both had edited start land.. Maybe it is pure luck....

[Nimrod]

I think the diplomacy is what counts. If you have 2 or 3 others on your back, it is less likly for some one to attack you. Internet is more 1on1, you have to build a good military and be aggresive while maintaining a well balanced civ. You will also have more area to build depending on the map. Yet I also have to agree with Gav, you wont make it far very fast starting in the middle of a desert or swamp without rivers. Luck is a factor.

[TheBirdMan]

I voted for the 2nd option (think quick) - but you miss the option, which suits me. I do not have sufficient time to be on-line 2-3-4 hours in the middle of the night - just for one game. I am participating in "some" games, besides I have my Utopia province and my Hero-Viking tribe to take care of also.

I have something called "family" - Ohhh yes, work too Why in earth can't I just win the money ?

[Swissy]

I think it is map size that makes the difference. Most NET games are on Reg map, while PBEM are on Hugh or Gigantic. I find it much easier to get effective trade going in NET games than PBEM. Also easier to keep the population happy on a Reg map than a larger one.

I do well at both, yet I am a stronger PBEM player because the larger map allows me to build-up more before contact is even made. Net games have quicker contact, then the cat and mouse game of mapping out the other guys land as you build upto cavalry. In PBEM games I've found I rarely make a major attack before modern

[C-MATRIX]

PBEM vs. Internet

I believe this question is related to the way people think.
There are 2 general options.
Suppose there are 3 questions you have to answer and any one of them have several sub levels.
The first group of people wouldn’t go very deep so their answers will cover all questions but not deeper then level 1 or 2 for a unit of time.
The second group will go to 1 question >> then all sub levels of it >> then second question with all of its levels and so on. So for the same unit of time they couldn’t answer all the questions of the list, but what they have answered will be much more complete.
Both methodologies are god, but when we speak about time, the first one will yield better results in Internet game and the second in PBEM game.
So we have people who prefer fast real time turns playing on Internet, and another people who feel more confident in PBEM game.
I have the feeling that Gavrushka and Lung are typical examples for that.

[Gavrushka]

I think all answers are equally valid.... and a combination of them all comes somewhere near to explaining why - It helped me understand the difference in my games.... In Internet Play, I stick to the most ridiculously simple strategy.. WHATEVER happens... In PBEM play there are many additional factors to take into account which edit play style...

And yeh the fact that in PBEM there are more players, different map sizes, and allied support.

Bird again, a very valid point, many Internet Players play PBEM but the reverse does not hold true.... And experience of MP will obviously help gameplay - I am sure Keygen will not mind me saying that the first time I played him on a regular map on MP, he fell a long way behind, I was Modern as he went rennaissance.. the second time I played him his gameplay had improved considerably.....

Swissy is one of those players that is good at both, he seems better able to bring in the elements of both game styles and amalgamate them well..... I have a Strategy for Internet Play which does not vary.... it is outright aggression, whereas Swissy is able to bring many of the subtleties of PBEM play into MP.

It will be interesting to see how Lung Fairs.... It sounds very much like he is likely to be a very good Internet Player.... It is almost like PBEM is a refined and improved form of Internet play.... BUT personally I prefer Internet Play.

Bird, the great thing about Internet Play is that u can play for 45 minutes, and have played the equivalent of 3 Months of PBEM. I appreciate you are busy with family and work.... Likewise here, and I must admit I have been playing too much on a weekend.... But thats mainly because I work very very long hours during the week, and with a Wife 300 miles away I am not as distracted by family concerns... In July/August, I am buying a place in London for my wife (she's renting at the minute) and will be flying down there every Friday Night, so it looks like that will be the end of my Internet days forever....

[C-MATRIX]

Originally posted by Gavrushka
, so it looks like that will be the end of my Internet days forever....

Sorry to hear that Gavrushka
But in the other hand, for your situation this is probably the right
decision>

[Solver]

I'd say it's about the fast thinking. When I play real civ, no CtP, I take time to do my turns, which wouldn't be possible in Online play.

I am getting cable connection that I've been waiting for so long in 8 days, and then I might try some real MP... maybe .

[faded glory]

bah...wieghing Civ and Girl...lets see. No contest! Girl goes

[Gavrushka]

Originally posted by faded glory
bah...wieghing Civ and Girl...lets see. No contest! Girl goes

Thus spoke a single man.....

[faded glory]

Originally posted by Gavrushka


Thus spoke a single man.....

Those spake's a single man who would get kicked out his gf's apartment, and goes back to living like a derelict in a crummy old apartment or some old dudes basement..

[Gavrushka]

Originally posted by faded glory


Those spake's a single man who would get kicked out his gf's apartment, and goes back to living like a derelict in a crummy old apartment or some old dudes basement..

.... The Apartment is in the Girlfriends name, man U are living on borrowed time... ....