Let There Be Rock Part II

[blackice]

Resend Thanks

[Siderakis]

Sorry guys but i'm out of this game. Playing one turn a month is NOT what i expected when i joined it. Please find a sub.

[Keygen]

What is this with newer players?
Approximately 50-75% of players (mostly new ones) drop off within a year of playing in all or some of their games from lost of interest.

That produces severe problems in both sort and long run with small or long delays, changes of strategies, agreements, policies and status so many times that can't dermine a steady optimization or might even lose the game because of that.

Even if I beat a civilization I won't know who I accually beated. You or the previous players that played the specific civ from time to time or just all?

Why do some people have to **** up a game so easily?
Don't I get frustrated when the game stucks?
But I HAVE NEVER DROPPED A GAME because of that!!!

Accually I have never dropped any of my games for any reason...

[blackice]

Hunter nexted turn 29 to John

[Gavrushka]

Blackice, if you need a replacement, I am up for it..

Keygen, there are a few players aren't there who are ruining almost EVERY PBEM game.... There have been some great new additions like Seige, he is a positive influence in all the games he is in, and then there are people like that Oxide chap, who just came and went... I think we almost all should fill in an application before we are allowed to join or sub in a PBEM.... It is crazy when the wrecking crews get in and smash games to pieces... I think that everyone should give their home addresses, then the next nearest player can go bang on their door and kick their selfish scrawny asses to hell and back!!

[Siderakis]

Sorry Keygen but i have to answer that.

I AM A SERIOUS PLAYER. I love this game, i 've been playing for a while, in solo, in multi with friends, on the web, and even in Apolyton ( i had another pseudo, "tronn", two years ago, but i had to lose it because i couldn't remember my password ).

I HATE TO LEAVE A GAME. Especially when we've just started, like "Let there be rock". I almost feel love for the civ i lead.

I PLAY MY TURNS FAST. Maybe two or three hours after receiving my turn, i play and send it to next player. I know some players who could testify that i play really fast. Just ask on the " World Story" thread.

LET THERE BE ROCK IS UNPLAYABLE AND BRING ME NO PLEASURE.
One turn a month !!! Yes, you've heard me...one turn a month. Because of who ? I don't know. What's the moderator doing ? nothing ( sorry Blackice ). I'm done, done ! And i have the same problem with "World Story". Because of some #ù^$ù][{# players, my pleasure is ruined. I wait, wait, and wait again with no turn in my mailbox. The 24 hours rule is not applied, slow players are not nexted and everybody seems happy with it.
You know what ? i will contact some friends of mine and play this game by email with them. In a private circle. I thinks this is the solution.

CONCLUSION : I'm sorry guys, but apolyton games suck !!!

[Gavrushka]

Siderakis, I understand your frustration, we all feel it.... I am sure from the games that you moderate, you will realise it is a thankless and difficult job.... And so Positive constructive criticism and helpful suggestions are probably the way forward.. I realise there are a few younger players now, and they often have shorter fuses, and less patience, but once slow players are removed from the games, you do find that the games become playable... In each and every game I am in there has been one player who has spolit it for the rest of the players, now one by one they are being removed, and the true team gamers remain.. Unfortunately what also happens is that one or two of the less committed players also leave, due to the slow turn rate.. I will take any Vacant Position in this game, OR I will force out a slower player if the moderator would like..

[J Bytheway]

I have not reieved anything from you Blackice - are you sending to jjb48@cam.ac.uk ?

[blackice]

Siderakis I take the full blame my appologies. I have to agree with all you said Two John when did you change your addy? I do not see it posted?

Siderakis you in or out if in send the turn 29 to F***ing Hunter and ME!!! Hunter you have had this game on old or John with the address change one or the other but Siderakis is right 24 hour rule is a must on that note I will endever to uphold that reality. If a turn is not sent to me How the F*** am I to next someone lol.

This type of crap simply takes the fun out of a game...Now the last turn I have is Vitlog to Siderakis at 6 pm yesterday ok where is the turn Sider? I do not have Siderakis to anyone so heh what is up Sider? Send the F***ing turn!!!!


From: "Vitaly Vigasin"
To: "Siderakis"
Cc: "Peter Haskett"
Subject: Let there be rock turn 29
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 01:08:14 +0200

Oh and send one to me too for F*** sakes like how the F*** am I to know who to next if I do not get a copy... On that note put the name of the F***ing game and the F***ing turn number in the subject of your email!!!!

Oh by the way Siderakis nexted... turn to Hunter PLAY THE F***ING TURN SEND ME A COPY OR QUIT!!!! easy enough is it not? Game is back online 24 hour rule in place as per this example.....If I have made an error let me know...

Thanks Gav appreciate your help stay tuned...


Keygen: Constantine of the Greeks (costas_pbem@yahoo.com)
vitolg: Yam Shachor of the Hebrews (vitolg@yahoo.com)
Siderakis: Siderakis of the Russian (siderakis@ifrance.com)
Hunter: Hunter of the Brazilians (rhodder@hotmail.com)
J Bytheway: John of the English (jjb48@cam.ac.uk)
Seige: Abe Lincoln of the Americans (seige@roadrunner.nf.net)

[Gavrushka]

I like it when Ice is a man on a mission... Don't stand in his way, this game will be moving faster than a hot knife through butter, and if anyone slows it the knife may have other uses too....

[Siderakis]

As i said previously, i am out of this game. Why ? Because i don't want to wait next month to know if Vitolg's f***ing slaver is going to Smolensk or going to Odessa.
I received turn 29. I didn't play it. It is still on my hard disk. If i was still in the game, i would had play it and sent it already. That's because i am a FAST PLAYER.

Anyway, leaving this game is not a reason to block it. And for respect for you all, i will "next" myself and send the turn to hunter right now. I will do this until you find a sub.
See you guys.

Turn 29 to Hunter.

[blackice]

Keygen: Constantine of the Greeks (costas_pbem@yahoo.com)
vitolg: Yam Shachor of the Hebrews (vitolg@yahoo.com)
Gavrushka:Siderakis of the Russian (rml@iemediation.fsnet.co.uk)
Hunter: Hunter of the Brazilians (rhodder@hotmail.com)
J Bytheway: John of the English (jjb48@cam.ac.uk)
Seige: Abe Lincoln of the Americans (seige@roadrunner.nf.net)

Players updated Gavruska will take the Russians thank you Siderakis see you in other games.

Hunter play any of the two turns I do not care just play one of them and send the turn on...

[Keygen]

Player list updated.

We will probably need a replacement for Vitolg too.

[Gavrushka]

Originally posted by Siderakis
As i said previously, i am out of this game. Why ? Because i don't want to wait next month to know if Vitolg's f***ing slaver is going to Smolensk or going to Odessa.
I received turn 29. I didn't play it. It is still on my hard disk. If i was still in the game, i would had play it and sent it already. That's because i am a FAST PLAYER.

Anyway, leaving this game is not a reason to block it. And for respect for you all, i will "next" myself and send the turn to hunter right now. I will do this until you find a sub.
See you guys.

Turn 29 to Hunter.

Siderakis your attitude is counterproductive in the extreme, and unfortunately moderators are always concerned as much as players that take this attitude, as ones that simply disappear - This is a team game, and unfortunately things can go wrong, the problem there WAS in this game has been identified and resolved, now the less committed players take such drastic actions as you are taking, how about you take a middle road - I will sub for you (as Blackice has already done) see if the game gets moving then take it from there?? I UNDERSTAND your frustration, I been in PBEM a long time, not as long as some, but recognise that games will always pick back up. It always seems to be that the younger players drop out, and the more committed players take their place... It's a shame, but I guess it is the way of things.

[Hunter]

turn 29 sent on to john