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**Siderakis** · November 25, 2001, 14:41

Who did such a thing ? ( Or maybe you don't want to say it ...)

I totally agree wiht you on this subject. Such behavior testifies of the lack of respect this player had for the creator of the game, his adversaries, and all the players who leaded his civ before him.
One civ down makes the games less interesting, less fun for the other players; but i think the fautive couldn't care less of it. This person obviously suffers from a lack of human sensibility or simply education.

I know, i 'm hard, but, mmmm....... i had a bad day

**blackice** · November 26, 2001, 00:27

You too

I agree chit happens but if done deliberatly It should constitute a fine of some sort?

Like automatic loss to all players in game x2.

**faded glory** · November 26, 2001, 04:00

Im not going to hold it against him.

I have done this countless times. on MP when **** goes sour.....

I also did this in Monkey 2 as Don was about to enter Paris

**ZoboZeWarrior** · November 26, 2001, 04:32

There is a less brutal way.

If a civ is too poor, then if nobody wanna play it, the moderator should put it in AI mode.

AI mode is a dump foe, but could be average for defense.

**Keygen** · November 27, 2001, 05:12

Originally posted by faded glory
Im not going to hold it against him.

I have done this countless times. on MP when **** goes sour.....

I also did this in Monkey 2 as Don was about to enter Paris

The issue here is that a civ was taken for only three turns with all of its cities untouched

**ZoboZeWarrior** · November 27, 2001, 06:19

We should understand his act. The guy was afraid by me. He prefered to suicid his civ him-self rather than gave it to another guy who would have suffered from my wrath...

It was an genereous act, in fact

**Keygen** · November 27, 2001, 07:42

Originally posted by ZoboZeWarrior
We should understand his act. The guy was afraid by me. He prefered to suicid his civ him-self rather than gave it to another guy who would have suffered from my wrath...

It was an genereous act, in fact

I have the feeling that you haven't fully comprehended of what I am talking about. The issue is that he took over a civ as permanent replacement, he played it for three turns and then he commited a suicide without notifing anyone because someone killed a couple of troops of his. Nobody is talking about a regular player who lost half of his cities and he is in a hopeless situation. That is perfectly understandable though I get off my hat to those who fight to the end.

The most natural and appropriate action if you feel like quiting for any reason three turns after permanetaly replacing another player is to inform the moderator or anyone to find another replacement or switch to AI.

I characterize such actions as antisocial, egotistical and malice

Besides despite the fact that the civ was in a bad situation it was not hopeless at all and had some chances for survival. With the right diplomacy he could obtain foreign support and force the attacker to sign up a peace treaty.

Note: My above characterizations are refering to the action itself and not to the person who carried it on. I personaly cannot judge a person from a single action.

**ZoboZeWarrior** · November 27, 2001, 09:18

Hey put your gun down Keygen !
Aaargh... I wasn't serious !

Of course, I'm agree with you. He should have talk us about the fact that he wasn't any more interested by playing this game.
I had the same problem in the game "Happy Killers". It was worst,
because in this kind of game, the destruction of the first civ ends the game.

Personnaly, I haven't so much hope in this game too. But I won't
suicide my civ. I will act maybe like a Kamikaze against one civ, in order to make the price of my destruction higher as possible.
Or I will ask to put my civ in AI mode, if the civ is definitivly no more interresting.

I think as Black Ice that the offender must suffer from a Penalty in the rating system.

**Keygen** · November 27, 2001, 10:09

Originally posted by ZoboZeWarrior

Hey put your gun down Keygen !
Aaargh... I wasn't serious !

I wasn't holding a gun.

Perhaps just a small knife

No seriously, I just wanted to clear up my opinion so there is no misunderstanding...

Originally posted by ZoboZeWarrior
I think as Black Ice that the offender must suffer from a Penalty in the rating system.

I don't think we should penaltize any action at all. This is a playground not a state prison

(no offence Ice

just joking around). We could just include things like that in the PBEM Rules.

**blackice** · November 27, 2001, 10:10

Nobody is talking about a regular player who lost half of his cities and he is in a hopeless situation. That is perfectly understandable though I get off my hat to those who fight to the end.

I took over lung 1.2 with what 5 cities the civ was dead really. I am out of it now I think as Lung wiped it out. But the point is AI is a joke I offer to play it out So they could enjoy the game. To be honest it was one of the most fun games I have played.

Dipolmacy he was allies with at least me I know that I am sure we could have drummed up more support. Or at least put a halt to the war with pressure. I thought his civ was better than mine, nice river some mountains etc.

Anyway yes Zobo we should have a rule for this for sure.

**PatRussell** · November 27, 2001, 11:24

Originally posted by Keygen

I don't think we should penaltize any action at all. This is a playground not a state prison

(no offence Ice

just joking around). We could just include things like that in the PBEM Rules.

I didn't realize Ice was in prison.

**blackice** · November 27, 2001, 13:18

Hahahaha I missed that

No state prisons in Canada nor am I in one

I would agree but to have a rule is nice but if it continues because rules are meant to be broken then what? If two or three people decide to do this the game is ruined for the rest. I would say yes a penalty would make one think twice and do the right thing.

**TheBirdMan** · November 27, 2001, 15:29

WELL BOYS (AND GIRL(S(though only a few))).

I say you should always fight until the end. Annihilate any nation because you know your are loosing is...............

I also say, every player playing in rated games should be obliged to stay rated there - or keep his/her nose away from that game.

Why can I say that? Because I myself do what I say! If I am not rated in a game, that must be either a mistake or because the game isn't rated at all - that is with a few exceptions - exceptions all players agrees to (I hope).

My opinion is: If you are a rated gamer, then you SHALL be rated in every rated games you are in. That's the only way to get a clear "sign" of you skill.

Yes, starting positions and take overs might be a loosers positions.

BUT I NO NOT THINK THAT SHOULD BE AN EXCUSE! THAT'S LIFE!!!!!!!

**blackice** · November 27, 2001, 16:40

Kool Birdy

Do you think there should be a penalty for such actions?

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