The Dutcheese Game Continues Here

[Fraze]

Viking News

The people of the Viking nation were shocked and dismayed to here rumor of the Slav nation being presided over by King Thor.

However Frazer managed to calm his people with an impassioned speech denouncing this man who styles himself after one of our great gods as a sacrilegious fake. The real Thor who joins the feast at Valhalla protects only his own people and will bring his mighty hammer to bear on any who dare to move against us.
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Welcome to the game King Thor, and TheBirdMan (now permanent) Goodbye Sophix, Goodbye Luk

[TheBirdMan]

Turn to Klair.

A quiet change of power has taken place in England.

The former chairman Sophix had choosed to stay abroad on that luxury hotel, where he has been spending the last 2-3 weeks - bathing, gambling, drinking and doing even more decadent "amusements", while he had told his hardworking people, he would be working only to get rid of the "knowledge embargo", most of the world has put onto the english people after the terrible war against the vikings.

Viceminister Bird proclamed himself as new chairman. The new Duma accepted this by a democratic election, where 99,8% (499 of 500) casted their vote for Mr. Bird.

A proud Chairman Bird took the word in the Duma. He promised expansion of the english nation. New settlements, supported by the state. Moutainareas to be settled. Big forrests to be cut down, new fertile areas to be settled and added to english domination.

And most important: The English nation is fully supporting the PDRI. No nation should ever claim or demand anything from our countries.

One for all - all for one.

Chairman Bird.

[slamp]

turn 126 to Jon

[King Thor]

Umm .. fellas. I dont mean to be pushy or anything but how come Klair gets to decide if I play in the game? I dont get it. Slavs are an independent civilization that happens to be in an alliance with the French. Thats cool, and as any new successor I would be honoring those agreements, however, by letting Klair decide who succeeds the Slavs, you are ensuring a puppet government for the French. .. I mean this holds regardless of who takes over Luk's civ. Shouldn't this be a group agreement.

BTW, just so that you guys dont think this means that SFU is gonna break, I think SFU is gonna be just fine. .. Any discussion between the French and the Russians can take place AFTER the appropriate leader has come to power, and as any ally , the French could update the new leader on the agreements and decisions that had been taken between the old Russian leader and the French government.

I think its only normal that Klair would be concerned about who joins and his opinions on the SFU, but that shouldn't influence who gets to sub for Luk.

Just my 2 cents fellas. (yes.. absolutely right! I'm DYING to get my turn!!! )

[Klair]

> Slavs are an independent civilization that happens to be in an alliance with
> the French. Thats cool, and
Yes and No. It's not a traditionnal alliance. We created a new nation called
SFU. It means that we have 2 governments but we speak with one voice, sort of
federal government.
We share the resource on the map. We decided together where we put some new
cities. Sometimes, we got some problems (elephant in the south and elephant
in the north).
When one player is not able to play the other one replace him.

> Shouldn't this be a group agreement.
Yes, I agree but I think I have a Veto right.

> Russians can take place AFTER the appropriate leader has come to power, and as
> any ally , the French could update the new leader on the agreements and
> decisions that had been taken between the old Russian leader and the French
> government.
No ! You must agree all old decisions and agreements or the alliance could be
break. It's not very easy to share like us the same country.

Klair, co head of SFU

[Fraze]

I agree with king thor on this point. When a new ruler comes to power it is up to him and his people whether or not to honor any previous agreement.

I'm sure there must be plenty of historical precedence, If only I new more about history .

In any case UK may be in NATO but the USA doesn't have any say in who the British Prime Minister is. At least that's what they tell us.

[TheBirdMan]

Agree with Fraze.

But on the other hand - if the alliance breaks, both nations will have to use all ressources just to defend themself against the other. Just in case.....


But think if.....

As the slavs and the french has been settling, a war would be more like a civilwar and not a war between to nations

It would be rather easy to pick up the rest, when they are finish with each other. Nice wouldn't it?
[This message has been edited by TheBirdMan (edited December 03, 2000).]

[King Thor]

I think the best real world alliance you can come up with is the USA-Canada. The largest unarmed border. Greatest Trading partner. etc. etc. Canada and USA have always been the closest of friends and have hardly ever had different foreign policies.
Yet their governments are totally seperate and neither one interferes with the others matters.

Yes, if the SFU breaks it would be like a civil war, and I've already told Klair that breaking the SFU is just not possible. The two countries are two intermingled for it to be practical for them to be seperated.

And again, I understand Klair's concern about me agreeing to ALL of the previous treaties, but what stops me from agreeing to it now, just to get into the game, and then trash all those agreements? Will I be thrown out of the game?? The Slav and the French started out as 2 nations, that BOTH decided to combine ALL resources Strength, and policy. However, there ARE civil wars. The best allies turn to enemies some times. I still think that SFU isn't one country.
I think it is 2 countries with and EXTREMELY strong alliance.

It porbably isn't very easy to share the same country the way Luk and Klair have managed but, I doubt I'm gonna go invading the French and all, because it just doesn't make sense.

Look, I'm pretty certain that eventually Klair will agree to have me sub Luk, (unless I have some wierd characteristic that is scary to the French), since I'm probably gonna agree to all the terms of the alliance.
But my point is, I can always trun around, become a Hitler of sorts and throw it all in the garbage!!.

All I'm trying to do is, point out that now that Luk has left, The French want even more control over the Russians (ie. control over their new leader) which they didn't have before. Let nature run its course. Russia, is an independent country, I would lead them as an independent country. That is my style of play.
The French are Russias strongest Allies, and we will co-operate on all matters, but we will not be FORCED to co-operate. That is plain not fair.

[St Jon]

For Klair to simply be able to play the Russian Turn, until an obedient successor to Luk is found, is just just as unfair to the Game balance. The SFU is not the cooperative that it is painted as for otherwise why would Luk have shared Tech with Ireland, England's only Ally, to gain what France already had? A new leadership in Moscow does not mean the end of the SFU but it cannot mean that one Player can veto the replacement until she finds a puppet obedient to the will of French dictate.

BTW. Turn to Frazer.

[King Thor]

**** Moscow Times ****

The future of Russia: Is there one?

Since the retirement of the great Russian Leader, Luk, the Russian government has broken down into an unordered non-functional organization, with no clear leader emerging. No Russian party has been able to form a strong enough government to sieze control from the other factions.

Inevitably, the French government intervened and some sort of order was restored and the Russian people got their orders straight from Paris. This promise of an end to chaos, seduced the Russian people into becoming a slave country to France. Several experts had stated that these line of events were obvious from the start.

"It was inevitable, Russia was the weaker memeber of the alliance, and when their leader Luk retired, a political vacuum was created that left the Russian government tottering and unable to cope." said Russian political analyst Boris Kapowski, " Had the French not intervened, Russia could very well have fallen into chaos, and civil war. However, the decisive action by the French has also had some negative consequences on the Russian people. One of which was to transform Slavia into a slave nation for the French, and the other was to render the existing Russian governmental agencies even weaker."

However, there is some hope, the still functional and potent Russian military that has so far distanced itself from the political chaos in Russia has finally begun to take steps to bring in a stabilizing influence to Russia. This move is led by a Powerful General and War Hero, General Sviatogor Thor. He has steped in and united most of the Russian factions under his flag and the few that have not yet expressed explicit support for him dare not speak against him, for his popularity among the Russian people is unmatched. The military had exressed total loyalty to his command and several foreign governemtns have expressed their support of his government.

It does seem that General Thor is in the best position to sieze power in Russia, however he has been recieving some opposition from the French government who refuse to support him. They have shown reluctance in handing back the power to the Russian people, this is perhaps due to concern for the future of the SFU or perhaps because the French government fears that the General Thor is not well within their control and so may disagree on matter vital to French interests.
General Thor has flown to Paris and is attempting to hold meetings with the French leaders in order to allow a bloodless change of government to take place in Russia without political fallout occuring between the two ancient allies. However, General Thor's spokes person has informed us that he is finding the French bureaucrats evasive and noncommital.

It is evident that the future of Russia lies in the hands of the French if Thor does not challenge them. The control could pass to a someone such as General Thor who is more than capable of shouldering the burden of leadership, or it could stay in French hands with a puppet government keeping the public statisfied and preventing a civil war. Will Russia rise again like a mighty hurricane or will it be blown away by the gentle breeze of time?

[This message has been edited by King Thor (edited December 04, 2000).]

[TheBirdMan]

Turn to Klair.

Though interested in what happens on the nearby continent, chairman Bird decided, that other matters were more important.

Soon, the first groups of engineers are ready to move out, making new suitable places for settlement in the dark forrests and on the windy mountaintops.

[St Jon]

Turn to Frazer.

The PDRI would earnestly request that the Canadian capitalists should cease attempting to extort money from the proleteriat of Ireland, demanding the fruits of our Research Labs and, whilst having Aircraft over sovereign Irish land, demand that we should cease a trespass that has never taken place!

Our patience grows very weary.
Chairman Jon, PDRI.

[TheBirdMan]

Turn to Klair.

Communique from Chairman Bird:

The first convoys of english engineers are now heading for the places, that was pointed out as suitable for new cities.

The terraforming of forrests to fertile grassland and farms are continued.

New mines are established.

The english nation prosper.

Long live the free people of PDRE and PDRI.


[This message has been edited by TheBirdMan (edited December 08, 2000).]

[King Thor]

Turn to Slamp
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This message will be later edited for further announcements. Right, I must sleep.

[St Jon]

Turn to Frazer.

Leaders of All Nations.

Please study the Map sent to you all and then ask yourselves would you too not have chosen to resort to the Gun rather than continue the fruitless search for a Diplomatic settlement of an ever worsening dispute?

Canada has bombarded the PDRI with, ever increasing, demands for money and knowledge and continuously trespassed upon both our territorial waters and airspace. The Mayans, formal Allies of Canada, have now chosen to flagrently ignore long agreed demarkation lines to the extent of sailing adjacent to an Irish City. It should be noted that, as suspected, when attacked we found the Mayan Destroyer was escorting a Transport Ship.

It was the fear of imminent invasion, as well as the proven fruitlessness of demands for withdrawel, that led the PDRI to the sad realisation that actions do sometimes speak louder than words.

This is not a War of Aggression but of Self-Defence! The coastal bombardment conducted against but a single Mayan City was a warning of the potential consequences of a continuation of their Imperialist Capitalist Policy against a peaceful and peace loving Worker's State. No attempt was made to invade Mayan or Canadian lands and only conventional weopons were used. The PDRI is prepared to change it's stance on both of these policies unless peace is rapidly achieved.

We call upon all World Leaders, with a sense of Justice, to condemn overt Canadian/Mayan Aggression against Ireland and do all in their power to persuade them away from this dangerous and, potentially for everyone, ecologically disasterous course of action.

Chairman Jon, PDRI.