Ministry Of Urban Development

[binTravkin]

Here's a map Safan prepared with some additions from me:



The idea is to decide about future city locations - why some are good an why not.

I intentionally didn't fill the far east and far south areas since there's some fog to be lifted to make informed decision about city placement there.

If I have forgotten some good spot, post where and I will add.

[-SafaN-]

Okay i'll be the first then to comment:

first of all, the west coast. There seems to be a doubt between two smaller cities at 2 en 3 or a bigger one at 1. I'm in favor of 1 bigger city, since there is only one food resource. We cannot chain irrigation so the maximum will be 3-0-0 for the grasland areas ...

The middle area isn't that simple either. 8 Seems an obvious choice with two food resources and marble. But by moving 5 to 4 and 8 to 7 we have two cities with both a food resource. Marble can be worked and also one of the wines.

The area between Xin and Mhasa is very tricky: no food resources, no big hammer tiles and no forests to chop ...
9 is an okayish spot but the city will need ages to devellop. I'm not sure this means we have to found it asap, or if we should wait until we have converted to universal suffrage (so we can buy the necessary buildings)

north of donjing 6 has access to deer and is coastal

south of donjing 10 has access to bananas.

the founding order would be: 1, 7, 4, 6, 10 then the east coast and the south before founding 9.

[N35t0r]

I'd move 9 one tile west and 7 3 tiles east or 1 east and 1 SE. Scrap 8 and 5, 4 is sort of meh.

1 is preferred over 3 and 2

6 should be moved 1 or 2 tiles west


1, 7/9/4 (one or two, depending if/where they are moved), then cities E of mhasa and dongjing, and then the rest.

What's cheaper? FP or palace?

We should aim to get versailles, and put one in xian, one in mhasa and another to the south on the ithsmus. With two, I'd do Tassagrad and a city to the south of mhasa.

[binTravkin]

What would be the gain from moving 9 one tile west?

Palace is 160h, FP - 200h.

[binTravkin]

It appears we're agreed that the first location to settle is the clam one and most of us think that spot 1 is where it should reside.

Ok, now we need to decide which is the next city in the list since we're having 2 settlers in short order.

Both Safan and N35t0r advocate spot 7 (though with modifications), but have you taken into account that:
- it's not coastal, thus it will produce less commerce
- it's not coastal, thus it needs lots of worker turns to be productive
?

I think with these in mind we should look for next coastal city in the priority list.

[N35t0r]

Originally posted by binTravkin
What would be the gain from moving 9 one tile west?

Palace is 160h, FP - 200h.

It won't have enough food to work both desert tiles, much less both desert tiles AND the mine. Losing that mine in exchange for a plain+river is a good deal IMHO.

We won't be able to share the iron and the other plains hill with mhasa, but I don't really see mhasa not needing them in the near future...

Plus, if we do move 7, we can get it to include that mine in it's radius, helping a lot in infra builds.



we do need tons upon tons of new workers, and I suggest we start on them asap

[binTravkin]

About 9 - we can build farms on those two grassland tiles in it's radius.
Farm plain seems like a waste of citizen to me (it will generate 1 hammer and ~0.5 commerce) and won't improve the food situation in any way, unless you plan cottages there which could be easily done by spot 7.

[N35t0r]

pre-biology, those two grasslands, along with the city tile, will allow us to work the two desert tiles if we irrigate everything else, and not work the plain hill.

farm plain are nothing to scoff... 1 extra hammer (+modifiers) if the city has spare happiness and health.
In any case, cottaging the plain river will produce 1/1/3 initially, and up from there. And unless we move site 7 S or SW we won't catch that tile on the city radius.

[binTravkin]

Farm plain has zero food surplus, thus I don't see any food increase between the two variations.

[Impaler[WrG]]

9 should stay ware it is, moving it west costs it badly in hammers as it can no longer share the Mahsa copper or work any potential plains-hill-mines.

7 I would move south or southeast, not quite sure though, their would still be some space for another city between it and Nana capitol, and their a a slew of forests their.

4 and 5 look good but I think I'm in favor of 5, I still think 8 is worth settling someday but probably not for a while.

I'd settle 9 next

[binTravkin]

I'd like to bring your attention to the fact that spot 4 includes - deer, horse and crab resource.

I just felt its being overlooked.

[PJayTycy]

I vote for 4 as our next city, because it is better than 5 and 4/5 are our only hope on horses