2640 bc

[-SafaN-]

We have researched mysticism. Atm i use writing as dummy tech, this is likely to change before the turn is ended.

I started moving our scouts, one near the banana site, the other for the pop hut.

AND I POPPED A TECH

NOT JUST A TECH, I POPPED

tada ...

[-SafaN-]

I think the metal casting slingshot opened new posibilities:

we can build a forge and farm a great engineer,
we can start earlier at the collosus

In the other tread someone made a good remark: its no use researching masonry before we can use it.

Lets see at the current overview:

spot 1 gives the marble and the copper after we have ennuf culture so thats long in the future, even if we start obelisk immediately
spot 2 gives sudden copper and cows, and then we need to find a new spot where we can acces marble (before or after cultural expansion.

the brown line is the road i'll make for a quick placement of our city.

I hope everyone puts some idea's here. And can we ask the banana to hurry up with their answer?

[binTravkin]

The metal casting thing clearly is a "WOW!!", especially knowing the tech's cost and that it would take 20+ turns to research.

In the other tread someone made a good remark: its no use researching masonry before we can use it.

spot 1 gives the marble and the copper after we have ennuf culture so thats long in the future, even if we start obelisk immediately

With settling other than next to marble, we'd delay the usage of it even more, but copper is very important I think, for the military, so spot 2 seems better for me.

Do we have animal husbandry for cows?
In case we don't it might be a good idea to research it next, seeing how masonry is not so actual then and fishing/sailing/writing can wait a little.


How long would it take to build a forge after we finish on settler?
It could be a major breakthrough in wonder-building if we start using the forge asap + enhance our capital's mineral output (it's high enough on food and gold).
Forge+industrious+copper = +175% bonus in Colossus' production.

[PJayTycy]

You are a really good goody-hut popper :-)

The banana-warrior gets killed by a bear and we get the most expensive tech we can research.

I've got to go to dinner now, but afterwards I'll do a check on how fast we mgiht need the copper. The nr 2 spot looks nice for fast copper acces, but it makes it almost impossible to build a coastal city with the mountains for production and the rice for food.

[Lacero]

We should dedicate all our wonders to the glory of the RNG...

I am also worried about throwing away the bottom coast line, if we're getting the colossuss we want as many coastal cities as we can get to make the most of the bonus.

If we build the blue city it makes getting the marble harder, we'd need a worthless city in tundra to get it.

[-SafaN-]

what about the tech? its the only thing i still need to know before ending turn (i assume building the road is good worker usage)

a forge in bejing will take 10 turns

[binTravkin]

Colossus is 250 hammers
Our production:
4(mine)+2(capital)+3(another mine) = 9
9 * 2.75 = 24.75 = 25
250/25 = 10

I'd say if we get the second mine going and meanwhile get forge and hook copper.

If we build the blue city it makes getting the marble harder, we'd need a worthless city in tundra to get it.

If it hooks up marble and deer, it can still be a city worth having.

but it makes it almost impossible to build a coastal city with the mountains for production and the rice for food.

I'd disagree here - the city still can be built between rice and silk and be productive enough being on a plains hill itself.

[Lacero]

Yes it can be worthwhile, but I'm worried about the new maintence cost rules, lots of cities working one or two tiles will kill you especially if you do it early.

I think sailing is best to get next, we can't build a library for bit and if we don't have writring we can't give an open borders agreement to banana...

[binTravkin]

Masonry will be useless for a time now even more, so it's either:

fishing - currently completely useless if only as prereq
animal husbandry - pasture for 2nd city
writing - possible library

How much time do we have to decide?

Yes it can be worthwhile, but I'm worried about the new maintence cost rules, lots of cities working one or two tiles will kill you especially if you do it early.

With 4 gold per sea square we can live with that.

[Impaler[WrG]]

Great turn, I have NEVER seen a MetalCasting Pop, I did'nt know it was possible

I like the southern site for imediate Copper + Cows and animal Husbandry, that city will have such a high hammer output it will be able to supply all our Ax men Production and maybe another settler as the Capitol focuses on Forge/Collosus. The Marble City should then be our last inland city for sometime, heck at 4 commerce I'd build cities along the northern Tundra, whip a lighthouse and Library and your pumping out research and or money enough to justify the maintance.

I think we should also consider the possiblility of pushing for Machinery very soon and Chuk-ing the Bananas if their still at ax men/archers, I'm all for peace if were equaly powerfull but when you have this kind of unfair advantage it just begs to be used.

[binTravkin]

I think we should also consider the possiblility of pushing for Machinery very soon and Chuk-ing the Bananas if their still at ax men/archers, I'm all for peace if were equaly powerfull but when you have this kind of unfair advantage it just begs to be used.

Second that.
With that in mind, open borders to banana would be a very bad idea..

So, new techpoll is like:

fishing: 1 (Lacero)
husbandry: 2 (me, Impaler)
writing: 0

[Maniac]

I'll throw my vote in with Animal Husbandry. Sailing can wait a little if we build a forge and the colossus first.

Yellow would be a good marble city that still has lots of nice grasslands. Would also go well together with Blue with little overlap.

[binTravkin]

Yellow was my plan for the marble city aswell

[-SafaN-]

okay i adjusted like sugested

tech: ah (5 turns)
worker: mine on grassland hills (3 turns)

[Impaler[WrG]]

I'd prefer the spot either directly East of the Marble (giving us the wheat and Deer after border expantion) with both of these in the City radius compensating for he tundra terrain we would end up with a rather nice city overall. It also privides imediate Marble within the initial raduis which will make building the Obilisk much faster then the yellow spot which can only initialy work forests for its Hammer income, thus it would take minimum of 7 or so turns to build and 10 more to expand the borders. Thats enough time for Bananas to plop down their own city and push us off the marble.


I think our tech goals should be...

AH, fishing, Masonry, Archery, Writing, Sailing, MACHINERY

Infact the order of most of the middle stuff isn't very important as we generaly cant make imediate use of any of them. The middle Techs shouldn't take more then 20 turns total (anyone care to calculate), a Library in the Capitol and the Collosus plus one or more Coastal Cities can bost our tech rate to atleast double its current rate and give us Machinery in less then 20 turns.

We might also reconsider that Oracle slingshoot, it would definatly be faster then direct research and it could slingshoot us right into Machinery. In Bananas say their not interested in it then we should definatly try for it and deviate Med + Priesthood after Masonry (droping fishing).