Poll: War vs Vox to stop Hinduism from spreading?

[notyoueither]

Here is a poll by paw.

Speak up. Do we declare war on Vox to stop the spread of religion, or do we stay at peace and accept the possibility of spread?

This thread isn't for debate. Please simply state your preference here (along with reasoning if desired) while carrying on the discussion in two or more other threads where this is being discussed.

The turn player (probably me) needs a simple tally of opinion, and this would be where it will be looked for.

Yes, you can change your mind. Post a second time.

[Ennet]

Declaration of war, there are many ways a gouverment could restrict or act against a religion and there are many stances between peace and war that are not simulated by this game in a good way. i dont think its an exploit, but if you others concider it at such i will change my vote.

[Arrian]

I'm torn. My gut answer, though, is no.

-Arrian

[Mudhut]

I too am a bit concerned about it, but my vote is yes.

Briefly:
-Snoopy has confirmed that it is legal (ie faux war is allowed)
-The benefits outway the disadvantages
-I've told my conscience to shut up

[Cort Haus]

What we cannot do is declare war in-game, then announce to vox that it is only for religious reasons (no conflict involved) and then hit the scout. Hence the vote is more complicated that yes/no to one question.

If we declare now there is perhaps less chance of us springing the ambush on the scout. If we wait we have the chance of hitting the scout (very valuable) and then being at war for 'real' - at which point we can explain to Vox where we stand.

I'd rather kill the scout than go to religious war now and let the scout escape.

Unfortunately I don't have time to articulate properly, as I've got impossible deadlines in a few hours, (and MUST get back to work) but I wanted to make that point.

[DeepO]

Originally posted by Cort Haus
I'd rather kill the scout than go to religious war now and let the scout escape.

That's part of the reason why for the moment, my vote would be no.

Another reason would be that we need a religion, even if it isn't our own. But we'll get one sooner or later... and at that time we can attack the shrine city to get our holy city too.

DeepO

[Cort Haus]

I'm not in favour of an immediate declaration, but I wouldn't rule it out, in case we have a chance to hit the scout.

As I said on the Vox diplo thread, if they keep off the borders they won't take the hoped-for path towards Grog, so I think this chance may have diminished.

I'm not convinced either that catching Hinduism in the next few turns would be too disastrous. I'd be inclined to risk leaving it a few turns, to give us a chance of whacking the scout, and to not play our hand too early.

I don't have the save - can anyone say if we have a trade route with Vox?

[Ennet]

Originally posted by Cort Haus
I don't have the save - can anyone say if we have a trade route with Vox?

we do according the the screens from the earlier turns.. dont have the save either but cant think of any possible action that can have changed this taken they sure dont have any roads..

[Arrian]

Oh, yes: if we have a shot at the scout, my position swings more toward favoring war in order to kill the scout.

No shot at scout = I'm against.

-Arrian

[Blake]

I have no opinion.
I think for the good of the team we should declare war.
But my personal preference is towards the unpredictably of allowing religious spread.

Basically I'm going to vote for taking a shot at the scout if we can, if this happens, we remain at war. Otherwise we stay at peace and deal with the religious curve-ball.

[Ennet]

Summary up to this point (for easy reading):

War vs Vox to stop Hinduism from spreading?
Yes (3): Ennet, Mudhut & Theseus
No, but yes if we can kill the scout (5): Arrian, Blake, Cort Haus, DeepO & Dominae*
No (0):


*Still for a war in the scout ambush fails..
EDIT: updated as of post #20

[DeepO]

Ennet, I strongly support taking out the scout if at all possible. I don't oppose war to Vox, I simply feel we need to win more than blocking spread.

DeepO

[Ennet]

Re: DeepO

Sorry missread your post, updated with the correct info now

[DeepO]

No problem, that happens a lot with my posts

DeepO

[Theseus]

Beyond just the issue of religion:

I say, take Vox out.

* With our production advantages (i.e., non-coastal and good hills), we are certain to win an early war, either to the death or for an easy Skirmisher choke.

* Assuming we don;t take huge losses, the investment in Skirmishers will continue to yield value.

* By capturing Hinduism, we can of course focus our efforts on other important matters.

I do not consider there to be any meaningful benefits to a Vox vassal strategy.

From my limited experience in team demogames, I do not think that there is any significant diplomatic penalty to early conquests, as long as they are, hmm, straightforward. So that means no trickery regarding diplomacy followed by an unexpected Scout capture, or some such thing. But a straight-up war? Let's have at it!