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  • The religion question

    Sooner or later, we will get religion, either by it spreading in from someone or founding one ourselves.

    Of course, it's always better to have a religion founded by oneself, thus I've made a little review about the religions that haven't been claimed yet.

    Judaism:
    Requires Polytheism AND Masonry

    Technically the closest religion for us, it's also the closest to most others and one that is appealing to both those who have a religion already and those who dont, due to Organized Religion civic with it's nice building production boost.

    Interested civs:
    All, with probably less interest for Mercs and Horde.

    Probability to acquire:
    2 out of 5


    Confucianism
    Requires Writing AND (Priesthood OR Currency)

    Second closest tech to us technically, it is probably the least acquirable due to our lack of prerequisites and the fact it gives courthouses and opens up path to much more advanced techs - Philosophy and CS.
    Caste System civic might also be useful to at least two of the civs.

    Interested civs:
    All, especially those who have marble

    Probability to acquire:
    1 out of 5


    Taoism:
    Requires Meditation AND (Drama OR Code of Laws)

    Not too far away on the techchart but probably a pain to research by ordinary means, I expect this religion to pop up right after Confucianism, especially if Confucianism has been founded by any of the philosophical civs.
    As of now, it seems Sarantium is the most likely team to acquire both Confucianism and Taoism - they need the techs that contain these religions the most (unless they dont think Caste System should be used for megafast GP farming) and they are the closest technically, having Meditation.


    Interested civs:
    Sarantium
    Mercs
    Someone else having marble (as of trying to get GA by Taj Mahal)

    Probability to acquire:
    1 out of 5


    Christianity:
    For whomever owns Monotheism this shouldn't be a problem, but I expect the civ having founded Judaism will have little interest in it, if only having extra great prophet which is unlikely having so little philosophical civs around.
    Theology has some military application, in form of Theocracy, and can be used to prevent unneeded religion spread, so I expect it will be of some value to Horde.
    It also has some value as the prereq to Divine right, but as the latter is rather expensive I dont expect anyone to go this path earlier than acquiring say Gunpowder.
    If Theology is not researched until after CS and Philosophy is done, someone might try and get it to follow the Liberalism b-line.

    Interested civs:
    Horde
    The one which get Monotheism first

    Probability to acquire 4 out of 5


    Islam:
    Requires Theology AND Monarchy

    Useful mostly for passing Philosophy on the way to Taj Mahal/Military Tradition/Constitution+Democracy.

    Interested civs:
    Vox - military tradition is a top tech for them (Cossacks)
    Horde

    Probability to acquire:
    2 out of 5


    Religion acquiral plan A:

    You see that the highest probability Im listing to the Christianity and I think with good reason.
    The easiest way for us to do so will be researching Music right after Drama or Literature and using the GA for popping Theology.
    I think this route is feasible, because by the time Drama appears, the civs which will have it will use it for popping Philosophy with a GS (I expect at least one civ to b-line in such a way) and wont have the immediate resources for such a heavy undertaking as Music.
    We also have the highest research speed as of now and with addition of Library at Beijing will be the best at it for quite some time in future, so once we've got Polytheism(Im expecting someone to trade it) and researched Literature, or traded for Drama (cheap tech, people should be trading it willingly), we can get Music quickly.
    That will also get us ahead in Liberalism/Gunpowder b-line.

    Requires:
    Masonry (gonna research)
    Polytheism (trade)
    Monotheism (trade)
    Writing (researching)
    Alphabet (trade)
    Literature OR Drama (trade or research)
    Music (research and to be first at it)


    Plan B:
    Get the religion of Mercs and embrace it.
    As long as we're friendly with them, their constitution disallows passing sensitive data about their 'clients'

    Requires:
    Contact, trade route and open borders with Mercs


    Thoughts?
    -- What history has taught us is that people do not learn from history.
    -- Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning.

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    A. Confucianism
    You have two choices in life; Explore and learn or Vegetate.
    There is a reason for everything.

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    • #3
      ForesterSOF, it's confusing, you were saying that we should try and get confucianism or execute the plan A proposed by me (which goes for christianity)?
      -- What history has taught us is that people do not learn from history.
      -- Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning.

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      • #4
        Skimmed to fast.

        I want us to found a religion and going for Con. gives us an excuse for paper.
        You have two choices in life; Explore and learn or Vegetate.
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        • #5
          Aiming to ge first to Music sounds like a nice plan just to get the GA and enhance our overall tech rate regardless of what we pop it for.

          I think theirs likly going to be room enough to research currency post trading orgy which would put us nearer Confusism and if we dont get it the currency still pays dividendse in the trade route bonus.
          Companions the creator seeks, not corpses, not herds and believers. Fellow creators, the creator seeks - those who write new values on new tablets. Companions the creator seeks, and fellow harvesters; for everything about him is ripe for the harvest. - Thus spoke Zarathustra, Fredrick Nietzsche

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          • #6
            I think theirs likly going to be room enough to research currency post trading orgy which would put us nearer Confusism and if we dont get it the currency still pays dividendse in the trade route bonus.
            Im afraid by that time confucianism will be long gone either by someone who attempts a CS/Philosophy slingshot or simply because it's so valuable.
            -- What history has taught us is that people do not learn from history.
            -- Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning.

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            • #7
              I think we should try to get as many religions as possible in our lands: invite other civs to spread their religion with us. Especially if we get the great lighthouse and set ourselves up as a trader nation, this stance would fit very well and would create goodwill with the religion founders/trade partners.
              Contraria sunt Complementa. -- Niels Bohr
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              • #8
                I think we should try to get as many religions as possible in our lands: invite other civs to spread their religion with us. Especially if we get the great lighthouse and set ourselves up as a trader nation, this stance would fit very well and would create goodwill with the religion founders/trade partners.
                How does religions help trading?

                Having everyone see our cities and units and terrain around them is hardly a good idea imho.
                -- What history has taught us is that people do not learn from history.
                -- Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning.

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                • #9
                  It's an incentive to sign open borders, and to keep them open if we invite everyone to spread religion in newly built cities.

                  Anyway, just want to say it wouldn't be a disaster if we can't get a religion.
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                  • #10
                    Well, it would be much worse if someone uses his almost 100% view (as of having spread his religion here) of our lands to attack us.

                    I think the commerce is enough incentive to sign open borders, especially if we manage to build high-commerce cities.
                    -- What history has taught us is that people do not learn from history.
                    -- Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning.

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                    • #11
                      If we go the way of becoming a UN for the game then Maniac's idea would be the one to puch for.

                      For the record though I am slow to opening borders due to posible negative affects.
                      You have two choices in life; Explore and learn or Vegetate.
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                      • #12
                        For me, allowing to spread opponents' religion is giving him strenght both in commerce and intelligence.
                        -- What history has taught us is that people do not learn from history.
                        -- Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning.

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                        • #13
                          We will probably not be able to prevent some religion spreading into our lands.
                          Theocracy will help, but Organised Religion for 25% in buildings is tempting.
                          Special religion wonders give good commerce - 1 gold/city

                          I like plan A for Christianity, then build Church of Nativity with Great Prophet
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                          • #14
                            We will probably not be able to prevent some religion spreading into our lands.
                            True, we must live with that, but allowing/asking everyone except Mercs to spread in theirs intentionally sounds like a recipe for disaster to me..
                            -- What history has taught us is that people do not learn from history.
                            -- Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning.

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                            • #15
                              In SMAC you had to deal with much worse when infiltrated.
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