2400 bc

[Maniac]

Originally posted by binTravkin
My thought was:
- we don't really have use of colossus yet, having one more city we might have

I'd say the +2 merchant GPP and +6 culture alone are already pretty attractive this early in the game, for such a low price. But whatever, a setter would be fine to me too.

[PJayTycy]

Originally posted by binTravkin
So we have official approval of the 61h exploit and our turnplayer should see if it can be done without losing growth or something else very beneficial.

I thought you preferred to whip ASAP with 2 slaves

Organizing our worked-tiles so we get exactly 61/120 will most likely delay our whipping-moment even more than just maxing out hamers and using 1 slave.

[binTravkin]

I thought you preferred to whip ASAP with 2 slaves

Okay, to clear the confusion we should weight what's best - to wait for 61h and whip for one citizen or sacrifice 2 citizens.

If we see that 2 slave sacrifice is better, we should do that.

Organizing our worked-tiles so we get exactly 61/120 will most likely delay our whipping-moment even more than just maxing out hamers and using 1 slave.

That's what I meant with "without losing growth or something else very beneficial"

I'd say the +2 merchant GPP and +6 culture alone are already pretty attractive this early in the game, for such a low price. But whatever, a setter would be fine to me too.

I see a little problem with having +2M GPPS before having our first Great Engineer - we could get unlucky and get a merchant instead.

[binTravkin]

Banana turntimes make me wish to conquer them asap..

[-SafaN-]

yeah, they are terrorists, hostaging everyone

[Maniac]

Originally posted by binTravkin

Would getting a great merchant be that bad?

[binTravkin]

It will certainly be worse as you cannot finish a wonder with a merchant, only get a tech.

[Maniac]

But more important, conduct a trade mission! This makes them the best GP later in the game. Though true of course, this early in the game, a trade mission might result in less money than getting a tech.

[Lacero]

early in the game the engineer is better as wonders tie up a city for too long, by the end game you're only sacrificing 1/15th of your production to build one (15 cities), at the start it's more than 1/2

[binTravkin]

Let's be realistic about trade missions - they require open borders and we're not planning such agreement so soon..

[PJayTycy]

We still have to decide, before next turn:

=> Focus on all-food and whip the forge with 2 slaves when we grow to pop 5
=> Focus on all-hamers and whip the forge with 1 slave after we have it 50% completed


Maybe a poll ? So far only bintravkin has expressed his opinion.

Judging from the comments here, we should maybe re-evaluate if starting the collosus immediately after the forge is really the best thing to do:
-> If we pop rush the forge with 2 pop, we won't have copper linked up yet, and won't get the double production speed from the beginning
-> We get great merchant points instead of great engineer points (what's our best oportunity to get great engineer points instead?)
-> Do we need something else soon, which can not wait untill after the collossus ?

But, these questions do not require a response before the next turn (in contrast to the 1 or 2 poprush).


Oh yes, I do agree with the conquer the banana's crowd

[binTravkin]

We still have to decide, before next turn:

=> Focus on all-food and whip the forge with 2 slaves when we grow to pop 5
=> Focus on all-hamers and whip the forge with 1 slave after we have it 50% completed

Let's vote here.

I vote all-food and two slaves, because all food has a side effect of gold, while hammers don't.

-> Do we need something else soon, which can not wait untill after the collossus ?

I guess there's nothing REALLY needed that we could build before Colossus, but a settler would be more useful.
There's only one problem with settler - it will cancel growth, so we'll be stuck with 3 citizens (decisions, decisions )

[PJayTycy]

[nevermind, wrong thread]

[Maniac]

Focus and all-food and whip with one slave.

[Impaler[WrG]]

1 slave whipping at 60 Hammers