2600 bc

[-SafaN-]

The new turn is here

moved the two scouts: one landed next to a lion, but since he is in a forrest he should survive

mine in 4
settler in 5
AH in 5

(should i change the worker to roading instead, since we are apparently gonna use slavery that tile probably wont be worked)

[binTravkin]

(should i change the worker to roading instead, since we are apparently gonna use slavery that tile probably wont be worked)

I think it will be worked, as after we finish settler we will have +1 pop in 4 turns (if I calculated correctly) and the additional minerals hammers (I keep messing ) will help us to get closer to a good (exploitable) whip.
We will have to be economical with worker turns after that, though, because there will be lots of job:
3 road tiles from capital to copper (and 2nd city) = 6 turns
1 mine = 5 turns
1 pasture = 4(?) turns

Maybe it would be a good idea that after settler's done we chop another worker to finish improvements quickly and be ready to assist Colossus by chopping?

[-SafaN-]

ok sent on

[Impaler[WrG]]

Its often possible to accelerate growth by whipping (Ironicly), Whipping dos'nt change the food in the food bar but the pop loss reduces the size of the bar. If your 2-3 turns from growth whipping will usaly reduce it to 1. If we whip with 4 Pop and go down to 2 we would probably regenerate to 3 imediatly and be working the Rice/FloodPlains on are way back to 4. Given this the mine could be delayed for a bit. On the other hand having it and a Forge allows us to work the mine as if it was 5 hammers a huge amount this early which would be usefull if we need to build a unit fast.

[PJayTycy]

bt, a worker is too expensive to put in now. By the time it is ready, the other worker will probably have completed 90% of the work already.


safan, what's the health situation of the bear ? Do you think we'll be able to kill him with our scout ? Will he be healed before our settler is completed ? ...


I don't have my civ4 cd with me this weekend, so I can't update foreign intelligence untill monday. It's about time the bananas settle their second city (their settler should've been ready some turns ago now).

[Maniac]

Scouts can't attack in unmodded civ4.

[PJayTycy]

I know, but if we move our scout next to the bear, the bear will attack, we will survive and the bear is dead. I call that a killing.

[binTravkin]

I know, but if we move our scout next to the bear, the bear will attack, we will survive and the bear is dead. I call that a killing.

That's a game of dice though.
I wouldn't like to make such engagements, at least not with bears, who have strenght of 3 compared to scouts' 1(*2 vs animals).

Its often possible to accelerate growth by whipping (Ironicly), Whipping dos'nt change the food in the food bar but the pop loss reduces the size of the bar. If your 2-3 turns from growth whipping will usaly reduce it to 1. If we whip with 4 Pop and go down to 2 we would probably regenerate to 3 imediatly and be working the Rice/FloodPlains on are way back to 4. Given this the mine could be delayed for a bit. On the other hand having it and a Forge allows us to work the mine as if it was 5 hammers a huge amount this early which would be usefull if we need to build a unit fast.

My thinking was that we would be starting the forge, running for some 6 turns, during which we would have growth (and a couple of turns of quite big 5-citizen production) and then whipping it to completion.
I didn't do the maths, though, so am not sure how will that work.
However, even with 3-4 pop we might use the mine for tile swapping if more hammers needed, also it gives our capital a feel of completeness in regard to improvements.

bt, a worker is too expensive to put in now. By the time it is ready, the other worker will probably have completed 90% of the work already.

We have a food surplus of 6 (IIRC) and 6h/turn, which translates in 5-6 turns for worker.
I just think another worker would be good, but we could also make it after we have forge, when it should be faster, especially if there's some carryover from whipping.

[PJayTycy]

Originally posted by binTravkin
I wouldn't like to make such engagements, at least not with bears, who have strenght of 3 compared to scouts' 1(*2 vs animals).

The bear was damaged to strength 1.2. I don't know how fast he's healing.
It's still a risk ofcourse, but I don't see any other goal for our scout anyway. Even if he doesn't survive the bear-attack, the bear will be damaged again and have to heal some turns longer, so we can move our settler safely.

[Maniac]

Originally posted by PJayTycy
I don't see any other goal for our scout anyway.

Why not escort the settler

so we can move our settler safely.

[Impaler[WrG]]

The bear is noware near ware we want to Settle and their are still a few black tiles to the south to look at, and beyond that possible scouting of the Bananas. Leave the bear alone, it can be killed someday with an AX.

[PJayTycy]

foreign intelligence report:

Nothing happened, except horde grew a pop. They didn't settle a new city yet (because there are now 3 cities with size 4). They didn't grow for 18 turns though, so they probably have some settler walking around already too (or a worker).