Banana Embassy

[binTravkin]

I as Banana would be pissed off after reading AC started researching Writing.

Pissed? Why? Because we suddenly changed plans?
Well, ok, that could be annoying.

Now, how annoying is not mentioning you have certain tech at all?

[Lacero]

Maybe their whole plan was to restrict our finance trait by us not getting writing (library) until later?

I'm pretty sure we were still haggling over point cost when we went for writing.

[binTravkin]

Bananas got a new turnplayer - EPW and his sig seems interesting..

"No moment is exempt: in the midst of pleasures there are found the springs of suffering. In the middle of peace war rears its head, and the bulwarks of one's security are transformed into sources of alarm, friend turning foe and ally turning enemy. The summer's calm is upset by sudden storms more severe than those of winter. In the absence of any enemy we suffer all that an enemy might wreak on us." -Seneca

[binTravkin]

Btw, http://www.bananaguard-uk.com/?gclid...FRzsXgodQT1Agg

[N35t0r]

[Impaler[WrG]]

From the sites Q and A

Q: "Where do the Batteries go?"

A: The Banana Guard was designed for its intended purpose only as a device to prevent banana trauma during transport. It does have other uses but battery operation is not one of them.

No responsibility is accepted for any injury received or inflicted (or self inflicted) owing to the improper use of a Banana Guard.

[binTravkin]

Incoming:

Friends of the Banana - Gathering Storm & Alpha Centurians,
I understand that the Bananas' lack of responses to you could be seen as us being unfriendly and uninterested in peace or trade with our good neighbors Gathering Storm (GS) and our long time friends of Alpha Centuri (AC). Please do not take offense.

To be open with you our tribe has suffered some losses recently: our turn player unexpectedly quit, a new member who showed great promise left too, the mighty P'Rex has been traveling and my life has gotten busy as well. These are excuses that you can choose to consider. Live chats are difficult for us to make a commitment to at this time. However, I promise to look at the email at least daily for word from you.

The proposed open science agreement that AC and Team Banana nearly signed and agree to in its intent is still on the table. Team Banana welcomes GS to the table and to the agreement. It was always Team Banana's intent to bring our three nations together but word from the sky and snoopy369 made it clear that we could not mention GS to AC or AC to GS. Team Banana hopes that GS and AC will still have us as friends. Team Banana strongly believes that we 3 nations must grow together and stick together if we are to prosper in this large world. Not all nations will be as friendly as we have been to eachother. By openly sharing technologies we grow closer in friendship and peace. Team Banana sees the culture of our 3 nations covering this continent. Science, commerce, and mutual defense should be our concerns.

SCIENCE -
AC and Team Banana have all but signed the science agreement. AC kindly brought GS to the table to discuss GS being brought into the agreement. It sounds to me that everyone wants this. Due to our long friendship, Team Banana has full faith and trust in AC. AC, please draw up an acceptable 3 way tech treaty and Team Banana will sign it. AC reports that they have already started researching Writing. Sign up Team Banana to start on Iron Working ASAP, if this has not already been discovered. Let us three nations affirm our friendship with the open sharing of science.

Team Banana would prefer to see a treaty that openly and freely trades techs. The proposed treaty had some conversion of gold to technology - but at the end of the age there was only a difference of something like 8 gold to be paid. With 3 nations involved that difference will be even less. What is 4 gold pieces among friends? Team Banana humbly suggests this out line:

* Simplify the proposed treaty by dropping the gold to tech payment.
* State that as soon as possible (discovery of writing?) the 3 member nations freely exchange techs so that everyone has the same technologies to start with.
* Draw up a research path for each nation: AC - Writing, ...; Banana - Iron Working, ...; GS - ?, ...
* Add a clause that nations freely gift a discovered technology to member nations the same turn it is discovered, or the turn after it is discovered.
* And provide an exit/renewal clause such as, at change of age, a given tech is discovered, a given year, etc.

Well that was simple. Is that the agreement right there? AC and GS work out the remaining details and Team Banana will sign it. Team Banana wants this to be a reality.

I will send an addendum to this that includes a list of our current technologies.

COMMERCE -
Team Banana and AC have agreed to build a road connecting the two nations. As our nations expand a long road becomes less of an issue. This is good. Soon our nations will be connected and the discussed trade of resources can begin. Team Banana would like to know where GS is so that a route could be built to open up commerce between our three nations. Is it possible to exchange screenshots?

MUTUAL DEFENSE -
Let us sign the science agreement and begin trade between our nations. Team Banana believes that once our nations are united together through open science and mutually profitable trade, mutual defense will only be natural.

Peace and Eternal Friendship to you,
-The Diplomatic Banana

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[binTravkin]

It seems they're very open in regards to changing the deal, so this is our opportunity

[Maniac]

Some thoughts...

Apparently the Banana doesn't know yet we have Iron Working? This may lead Gathering Storm to think we're hiding our military strength to attack Banana.

If we're researching Alphabet, and GS the Construction route, Banana can't do that. No point for them to follow the Metal line. Neither do we want them to research up the Monarchy/Feudalism line lest they get Longbowmen. Besides that line isn't very useful for us no? That only leaves them with researching Fishing-Sailing-Masonry, which would be very useful for us. Of course Banana itself doesn't have any benefit with the Fishing-Sailing line due to their current lack of coastal cities, but perhaps we could tell them it's the only way we can trade useful techs, and since their research is probably slowest due to their lack of financial trait, it would be better for them to research the lower cost techs.

[binTravkin]

GS offered trading Masonry for us, so I guess we should leave that off.
Fishing and Sailing, well, not a bad idea, if only they are up to that and going to make it in less than 25 turns.

I think Monarchy is feasible though, because it costs the same as alphabet, which means it will be some 35 turns before they finish it - long enough to tie up their research and late enough for them not to manage to get Feudalism right after.

[Maniac]

Originally posted by binTravkin
GS offered trading Masonry for us, so I guess we should leave that off.

I guess the reason why they want Masonry is to research Construction after Mathematics. But we should probably be able to research Alphabet before they get Math, and thus be able to get Masonry before they need it. We can always propose it to GS. Especially since I assume it's also in our advantage to get Masonry sooner than later.

[PJayTycy]

Originally posted by Maniac
Some thoughts...

Apparently the Banana doesn't know yet we have Iron Working? This may lead Gathering Storm to think we're hiding our military strength to attack Banana.

Banana's are clearly not focussed on this game. We even sent them a screenshot with iron locations, yet they feel like they are doing us a favor by researching iron working I thought they were researching writing right now, but it appears not...

I believe we should send them (GS + Banana) a quick small response to clear this up. I don't know what Banana could research otherwise ... .

I think it's good for us to research Alphabet, GS to research Masonry, Mathematics and Banana Fishing, Sailing + a big IOU

[binTravkin]

Well, I was proposing to poll them to research Masonry earlier and trade it to us once we have Alphabet.
That would save us some research, and if we set to acquiring Alphabet as our next tech, give us some spare time, should they try to delay the trade or cancel it outright, so we can research it ourselves as a back-up option.

[binTravkin]

We even sent them a screenshot with iron locations, yet they feel like they are doing us a favor by researching iron working

What's IOU btw?

[binTravkin]

Regarding Banana research options - even as high as they seem to be, they will realise that Fishing and Sailing is of very limited use to them and will ask could they research the other tech instead (the one we research to trade with them for those) or something else.
Therefore Monarchy and CoL should be provided as options to them too.
CoL costs 500 beakers and they should be able to finish it in 50 turns..