Last minute rule changes

[Kataphraktoi]

http://www.apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=148961

What is Team AC's answer to this? I responded with a broadside, as you can see, but not representing TAC.

[Kataphraktoi]

Just noticed its been up for a week...

So im slow

We must support our comrades in the Communist Republic of Mercenary's

[GeoModder]

Civ demogames indeed seem stiffling qua rules. All power to (as much) free gaming (as possible)!

[ForesterSOF]

I would say yes.

It can happen in RL.

[binTravkin]

http://www.apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=4307553&t=4784#post4307553

[Kataphraktoi]

I would like to point out that assumption mercenaries are the only team wanting full unit trade allowed, could turn out very wrong.

The problem is in argumentation, not in someone wishing to play that or that type of game.
Some people are trying to confuse everyone by saying that no line can be drawn.
As I showed in my post, not only a line can be drawn, it has already been drawn by developers of the game.
If you want to redraw that line, you have all rights to do so, but please explain to the confused, we're not playing cIV here, then.

I for one am here to play cIV, I know the game has flaws, some of which are still to be revealed, however if Im being completely honest to myself and others, and as logical as I can be, I see no problems distinguishing between something that should be used and something that shouldn't.
I also have the mod people, to ask for advice if needed, and they can provide the anonimity needed, so the revelation doesn't get exposed to other teams.

Furthermore, I would like to once again point out that the whole concept of 'game balance' is an illusion.
There's no such thing as 'balance' out of the game itself.
If all civs were prohibited any contact whatsoever, still some would evolve to be more powerful, some to be less, no matter what the mod or game developers do to even them out, it's an IRL situation, which has happened countless times in history.
Balance starts where there's diplomacy, balance starts where there's cooperation, and unless teams deliberately ignore some team getting away from them, nothing bad, or rather 'unfair', can ever happen.


And the last points
- noone can make rules against everything
- the more rules there are, the more one seeks a hole in them, the less one hesitates to use that hole

PWNZERED

thats partially what i was touching on but wasnt inspired to type all that out

I agree the word 'unfair' makes no sense at all in this.

To make this official I need at least 11 ppl vote!

We are doomed to being unoffical for all time... :-)

[binTravkin]

I posted some more in that thread.

[Kataphraktoi]

Thanks for the edit.

Someone tell me if im wrong, but isnt fried ptsilon one of the firaxian lackey's that post pro-civ4 comments whenever someone disses civ4 strategy depth? I know they denied it, but i am certain firaxis is paying them to support civ4-it dosnt have to be money, any kind of special attention or beta testing is equall to payment IMO.

[PJayTycy]

I thought he actually works at Firaxis.


Well, he wrote the strategy guide, so he doesn't like new strategies he never thought of.

[binTravkin]

As I wrote in the discussion thread, exchanging GPs is hardly a strategy.
If it is, we can count tech trading as 'strategy' as well, as it's the same 'do or die' type thing.

[PJayTycy]

bt: I didn't really got your point out of that post of yours...



The one thing that's happening for sure with this discussion is AC and Merc's getting closer together.

[Kataphraktoi]

Thats what i was thinking.Good Merc-AC relations can only be a good thing for our plans of imposing worldwide communism


EDIT: I believe BT thought we were saying GP trading was a strategy[whether it is or isnt] while we were infact talking about something else.

[binTravkin]

I didn't really got your point out of that post of yours...

See my post at general discussion I put it out clear, that if GP trading is a strategy, and an unbalancing one, then tech, map and special resource trading are all the same.
They bear the same characteristics.

My point was: 'GP trading is not a strategy'

[Kataphraktoi]

BT: Pjay's post was talking about fried's posting after civ4's release, not the GP trading. Pjay's point is : He didnt think of it and therefore doesnt like it.

I believe my Q about fried being a firaxian lackey changed the topic a bit.

[binTravkin]

Well, I fully understood that and intent of my post was to point Pjay out that GP trading is not a strategy.