POLL: Should we convert to Confucianism?

[FeMme]

POLL: Should we convert to Confucianism?

Yes, it has finally happened!!! A foerign religion has spread to one of our cities!! Casa del Nimitz is under the sway of Confucianism and it is now possible to adopt this as our State Religion.

So, citizens, what say you?? Shall we convert or stick to the Way of the Banana?

[Smellycowsquid]

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=153969

[Zoid]

I say convert. We have nothing to lose really. +1 happiness in all our cities will come in handy

[couerdelion]

We gain so little from converting now that it is not worth it. There are many religions out there and we don't know which others will spread.

What will we do later when Taoism spreads to three of our cities with more production?

[Zoid]

We´ll cross that bridge when we come to it. The fact that we don´t know what will happen must not stop us from converting. It´s like saying, "I´m not buying a new computer now. Who knows what´ll come next month or the month after that or next year even?" If you think like that you´ll never change anything. There´s always something better around the corner...

[couerdelion]

Originally posted by Zoid
I say convert. We have nothing to lose really. +1 happiness in all our cities will come in handy

In response then I'd merely agree that +1 happiness MAY come in handy in all our cities but the statement is irrelevant.

We don't have Confucianism in all our cities - just in a small developing city that will take time just to build one missionary. By which time we may have more viable religions to spread.

Switching religions is not free - in fact it's very expensive. You are arguing the loss of one turn or production and commerce on the chance that Confucianism is our best long term bet for spreading in our lands. To me this is an expensive price to pay for something that looks a bit of a gamble to me.

At the moment, we lose one turn of anarchy and gain +1 happiness in a city that does not need it.

[fed1943]

Thinking about:

Converting doesn't give religion to cities, just makes the religion the

state religion.

And state religion just gives two things: one hapiness to cities with

that religion and aplication of the benefits of the civics OR, Theo or

Pac, if that civic is runing and the city has the religion.

State religion does not spread the religion to other cities and CdN

just begins and cannot afford to build now missionaries (and

monastery).

Our only cities with hapiness concerns in medium term are Paddyton

and MTT; it looks that in about 35 (?) turns Free Religion shall be

enabled.

So, I will vote no.

Best regards,

[couerdelion]

Originally posted by fed1943
CdN just begins and cannot afford to build now missionaries (and monastery).

In defense of the active spreading of a religions - which we will need to do, I would suggest that we ought to start doing this with CdN as soon as possible. Not sure where the build queue is here but a monastery and one missionary have now just shot up the list of priority builds there (ie after granary).

We should actively spread Confucianism unless we get quickly overrun by other religion which we can spread more easily.

[MMC]

We are not far from Liberalism (we could have been much closer by now, though), and We only have one city with Conf. in it at the moment. We either need to spread Conf very quickly (in as few turns as possible), or not bother much until Liberalism.

[fed1943]

Let us not confuse "convert" and "spread the religion".

Since people said want to get Bombay, confucianism is the religion

tobe spread.

About CdN: now a granary, then a forge, after...it also depends on

the navy'needs.

Best regards,

[FeMme]

I have voted 'Not yet, maybe later'. If we do decide to go for the Holy City of Bombay then we will definitely need to convert to Confucianism. Right now we only have confucianism in one city so the rest of our nation will not benefit from converting.

[couerdelion]

Originally posted by fed1943
Let us not confuse "convert" and "spread the religion".

Since people said want to get Bombay, confucianism is the religion

tobe spread.

About CdN: now a granary, then a forge, after...it also depends on

the navy'needs.

Best regards,

Granary - AGREE - definitely

Forge - maybe not yet. This is because there is at the moment, a significant benefit to be gained by spreading Confucianism quickly to one of our other cities and then let this city continue the spread.

The forge is only a local building that affect just the city itself - it's one of those "selfish" builds to use some of my earlier terminology.

The monastery/missionary is a build plan for the benefit of the whole civ and since CdN is the only place this can be done, it should be placed far higher up the list of priorities - and above a forge.

[Zoid]

Monestary We must use our newly aquired religion for something...

[fed1943]

The rules of religion

Please, correct me if things have changed:

Religion in city: enables build of religious buildings: temple, monastery

and cathedral;

With Free Religion: the above plus 1 happy for the religion in city;

With State Religion: the above plus the profits from the religious

civics (Org.Rel - Vas. - Pac. ) and +2 happy from cathedrals;

Holy City intelligence and Holy Shrine gold do not depend on Free or

State Religion.

So, before Bombay, to spread confucianism is not urgent, while

usefull (but gives gold to Ghandi); and to convert seems useless.

Best regards,

[joncnunn]

No on establishing a state religion (for now).
We might want to consider having that city build Missonaries though to spread that religion, particularly if the holy city of Confucism is high on our list of cities to be conquered.