40th turnchat is finished!

[Zoid]

Bugger!

[Zoid]

I have recieved MoD orders via General Paddy and will act as MoD if Paddy gets called away or is late.

[Zoid]

* Zoid changes topic to 'Turnchat 40: No funny business!'
* Zoid is now known as Zoid_away
* fed1943 has joined #C4DG
[fed1943] hi
[Zoid_away] hi, fed
[Zoid_away] I´m wrestling with PayPal
[fed1943] good
[Zoid_away] stupid service...
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[fed1943] hi Rob
[RobWorham] Morning all
[Zoid_away] hi, rob
[RobWorham] hello
[Zoid_away] I´ll just be a minute
[RobWorham] so much for sleep
[Zoid_away] Stupid mother#¤%& webforms
* Zoid_away is now known as Zoid
[fed1943] Please,do not end the turn;some MOI to do
[Zoid] Ok
[Zoid] Shall we start?
[fed1943] yes
[RobWorham] let's go
[Zoid] I´ll just open the game
[Zoid] All done
[Zoid] 4 MoI
[RobWorham] i will have to leave at 19.30 but hopwfully paddy will be here by then
[Zoid] 19.30 GMT?
[fed1943] 12Chuckfort WF: 1 to 36
[RobWorham] yup
[Zoid] ok
[RobWorham] are you doing turn report zoid??
[Zoid] I hope so
[fed1943] 12Bananastary WF 9 to artist
[RobWorham]
[fed1943] 12M O I End
[Zoid] Might be a bit much with MoD, turn report and hosting the chat...
[Zoid] 4 End turn
[Zoid] Hey, we´re Number 1!!
[fed1943] yes and Ghandi 2
[Zoid] And we got the Chicken Itza
[Zoid]
[fed1943] yes
[Zoid] 4 CAF
[Zoid] Sorry
[RobWorham] yo chicken itza
[Zoid] 4 Build queue
[Zoid] Rushing a bit there...
[fed1943] 12Apolyton build settler
[fed1943] 12Paddyton build harbor
[Zoid] Now 4 CAF
[RobWorham] 12Sting fortify
[RobWorham] 12Tiger Eyes promotes to Raid III and moves 9
[RobWorham] 12Bwian moves 9
[Zoid] Is there a way to cycle through the units btw?
[RobWorham] 12Valentina 9-9
[RobWorham] 12Magalhaes 3-6-9-7
[RobWorham] 12The Love Boat 9-9-6
[RobWorham] 12A New Hope 7-7-7
[RobWorham] 12Excalibur (In Poly) 7-7
[RobWorham] 12End CAF (for now)
[RobWorham] 12Horatio (by casa) 9
[RobWorham] 12and sleep
[RobWorham] 12End CAF (for now)
[Zoid] 4 MoI
[fed1943] 12cinderella 8 road
[fed1943] 12jurgen 8 pasture
[fed1943] 12rachel road
[fed1943] 12smeg road
[fed1943] 12sucker mine
[fed1943] 12ming chop forest
[fed1943] 12crabby chop forest
[Zoid] Sucker has one turn left on building road here
[fed1943] 12erika chop forest
[RobWorham] not here??
[fed1943] 12heimlich windmill
[fed1943] what happened?
[Zoid] Sucker has one turn left building road here
[RobWorham] zoid??
[Zoid] yes?
[fed1943] how? that's your save I have
[RobWorham] nothing
[RobWorham] i am the same as fed
[Zoid] not my save exactly
[Zoid] Nimitz save
[RobWorham] i got the save off the turn thread before starting
[fed1943] President save
[Zoid] weird
[RobWorham] what about Frank??
[Zoid] Sucker and frank is 41 of Chuckfort here
[RobWorham] is frank free??
[Zoid] no
[fed1943] correct
[Zoid] building road
[RobWorham] ???
[RobWorham] maybe sucker will become free later in turn??
[RobWorham] it happens sometimes??
[Zoid] perhaps
[fed1943] frank just built the road has no moves
[fed1943] shall I go on?
[Zoid] please do
[Zoid] problem fixed i think...
[fed1943] 12sleepy windmill
[fed1943] 12Bananaburg WF: eng to 7
[fed1943] 12Zoidburg WF: eng to 69
[fed1943] 12Bananastary WF: artist to 89
[fed1943] 12M O I End
[Zoid] 4 AOB?
[fed1943] no
[RobWorham] n
[Zoid] 4 End turn
[Zoid] 4 CAF
[RobWorham] hehe squeeze that barbar city
[Zoid] Nibble, nibble
[RobWorham] 12Bwian and Tiger Eyes 6
[RobWorham] 12Excalibur 4-7
[RobWorham] 12Magalhaes 3-6-3-9
[RobWorham] 12Valentina 3-9-3
[RobWorham] 12The Love Boat 3-3-6
[RobWorham] 12A New Hope 7-1-1
[RobWorham] 12Arthur fortify
[RobWorham] 12Nugog 9-7
[RobWorham] 12End CAF (for now)
[RobWorham] that could be the end of the Indian channel???
[fed1943] where is nugog?
[RobWorham] south france
[Zoid] where´s waldo?
[Zoid]
[fed1943] tx
[RobWorham] on the riveira
[Zoid] Rob, very likely
[Zoid] 4 MoI
[fed1943] 12smeg windmill
[fed1943] 12nim windmill
[fed1943] 12ingeborg 8899
[Zoid] nim?? You mean Sissi?
[fed1943] 12henry 4
[Zoid] Sorry, new worker...
[fed1943] 12cinderella pasture
[fed1943] 12scratchy pasture
[fed1943] 12sissi windmill
[fed1943] 12erika windmill
[fed1943] 12frank mine
[fed1943] 12Iron Tusks WF: eng to 8
[fed1943] 12Rubygrad build settler
[fed1943] 12M O I End
[Zoid] 4 AOB?
[fed1943] no
[RobWorham] what about techs from our neighbours??
[fed1943] good idea
[Zoid] Hmm, shall we try to barter?
[Zoid] with whom?
[RobWorham] or demand from ganghi??
[Zoid] we can try that first
[fed1943] they will not accept
[RobWorham] have you tried??
[fed1943] no,but they know no way to land troops yet
[RobWorham] ???
[fed1943] we cannot make war even we want
[Zoid] Ghandi, Alex and Monty will trade Feudalism
[RobWorham] but we can ask for it in tribute no??
[Zoid] I suppose
[RobWorham] fed??
[Zoid] So who do we visit?
[fed1943] try
[RobWorham] Gandhi
[fed1943] yes
[RobWorham] he is unpopular with all his neighbours
[RobWorham] so they wont care
[Zoid] 4 Demand Feudalism in tribute from Gandhi
[fed1943] he refused
[RobWorham] what about cash trade??
[Zoid] Bah!
[fed1943] try trade
[Zoid] only for Compass and Metal Casting
[Zoid]
[RobWorham] what do you think fed??
[Zoid] How much cash shall we offer?
[Zoid] 100 gold?
[RobWorham] i have tried up to 300 and still he says no
[fed1943] Rob how many turns to prepare war,if we want to?
[Zoid] Stupid hippie!
[RobWorham] quite a few
[fed1943] the question is: if he has not enough time,then accept the trade
[RobWorham] we will need CS and/or Guilds first
[Zoid] None of the others are giving us a fair deal either...
[Zoid] I tried
[RobWorham] our army is outdated
[fed1943] with feudalism,it shall be +- 5 turns
[Zoid] So. let´s bide our time shall we?
[RobWorham] and we would be leaving ourselves exposed if we took too many old units overseas
[RobWorham] 3 galleons minimum, pref 4
[RobWorham] i say no trade
[Zoid] War is not a possibility right now
[RobWorham] feudalism only 5 turns
[Zoid] 4 No trade
[fed1943] then I agree no trade,let's go to research feudalism
[Zoid] 4 End turn
[Zoid] Cool
[Zoid] 4 Pick Feudalism
[RobWorham] Hey rennaisance dudes
[fed1943] good,our research has increased
[Zoid] Renneisscance, another word that is hard to spell
[Zoid] 4 Build queue
[fed1943] 12MTT build harbor
[Zoid] 4 CAF
[RobWorham] hey, good turn!!!
[fed1943] yes,Hanno
[Zoid] indeed
[RobWorham] so, we go for galley ----] galleon upgrade
[RobWorham] ???
[Zoid] Go for it!
[RobWorham] cool
[fed1943] I say yes: with the research increase I can go to merchants in Povo Este now
[Zoid] Before MMC stops us
[RobWorham] 12Kublai's Bane upgrade to Galleon
[RobWorham] 12Swift upgrade to galleon
[RobWorham] nice boats !!!!
[Zoid] Rule Concordia!
[RobWorham] 12Bwian fortify
[RobWorham] 12Tiger Eyes 6-9

[Zoid]

[RobWorham] 12Valentina 2-3-3-3
[RobWorham] the sea!!!!!
[Zoid] Woot!
[Zoid]
[RobWorham] 12Magalhaes 8-8-9-8
[RobWorham] and another sea!!!
[Zoid] More like an icy cove
[RobWorham] 12The Lost Colon (on the love boat) 2
[RobWorham] 12The Love Boat 9-3-3
[RobWorham] 12Nugog 8-9-9-7
[RobWorham] 12End CAF (for now)
[Zoid] Excellent!
[Zoid] 4 MoI
[fed1943] 12henry road
[fed1943] 12margareth 4
[fed1943] 12raymond 4
[fed1943] 12scratchy 211
[fed1943] 12goofy 477
[Zoid] Excalibur?
[fed1943] 12ming windmill
[RobWorham] 12Excalibur 4-4
[Zoid] Tx
[fed1943] 12crabby windmill
[RobWorham] 12A New Hope 1-1-1
[Zoid]
[fed1943] 12itchy 8 mine
[RobWorham] tired
[Zoid] nw
[fed1943] 12ingeborg 978 windmill
[fed1943] may I move hanno?
[Zoid] Do so
[Zoid] What are our plans for Hanno?
[fed1943] 12Hanno 2222
[fed1943] settle in Bananastary
[Zoid] ok
[fed1943] 12Paddyton WF: eng to 89
[fed1943] 12MTT WF: eng to 23
[fed1943] 12Casa del Nimitz WF: 8 to 88
[fed1943] 12now there is a question;the foreign routes gave 38 gold.Look at current research/gold please
[RobWorham] let's raise science
[fed1943] 12then,try to change all scientists in Povo Este to merchants to take a decision
[Zoid] done
[fed1943] let's wait Rob and then discuss
[fed1943] I prefer the scientists for more one round,since we got a GMerchant
[RobWorham] hmmm
[Zoid] we can get to 50% with 30 gold/turn
[Zoid] 50% science that is
[fed1943] with the merchants?
[Zoid] yes
[fed1943] and we can put 60% for 3 turns feudalism and a loss of 13 gold
[fed1943] or,wait
[Zoid] is it worth that?
[RobWorham] your call fed, you are the MoI
[Zoid] Since we don´t gain anything on feudalism by changing from 40 to 50 % I can´t really see thu use
[Zoid] *the
[fed1943] or we can have the scientists back and 50% and 3 turns feudalism and a loss of just 4 turn
[fed1943] 4 gold/turn
[fed1943] I think the scientists and 50/50 is the best
[Zoid] are we in a hurry for feudalism?
[fed1943] not just feudalism,but the next techs:civil service,guilds and later liberalism
[Zoid] true
[Zoid] We can use Hanno to lightbulb CS
[fed1943] that's my bet:scientists,50% and I'll increase the cottages
[RobWorham] indeed scientists and 50% sounds best to me
[Zoid] ok, let´s go with that then
[fed1943] lightbulb is bad business
[Zoid] waste of Great persons?
[Zoid] I´ve never done it myself, actually
[fed1943] we have Rep. so a GM shall give 1F 6 gold 3 science/turn
[Zoid] Ok, that´s better than lightbulb
[Zoid]
[fed1943] excellent!
[fed1943] so,scientists and 50% is it done?
[RobWorham]
[Zoid] soon
[Zoid] what´s the WF disposition of Povo este?
[fed1943] wait,please
[Zoid] Rob, end after this turn?
[RobWorham] i'll do MOD for next turn if we have time.......
[RobWorham] and hopefully paddy is joining soon
[RobWorham] must be quick though
[Zoid] I think we´ve done good time this chat
[RobWorham] indeed
[Zoid] Let´s wait and see if General P shows up
[fed1943] Povo Este WF: 87 - 74-7-8-4-41-1-36-21-22-23; plus nine scientists
[Zoid] Tx, checking now
[Zoid] 8 scientists?
[fed1943] 9
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[Rob-in-shower]
[Rob-in-shower] i'll be 10 mins
[fed1943] 11 people work tiles+9 scientists=20 people,that's the population
[Zoid] 9 scientists, check!
[Zoid]
[fed1943] 10 m break?
[Zoid] we don´t know if Paddy´ll show up
[Zoid] But we can take 10 and if he´s a no show we´ll end here
[Zoid] ok?
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[fed1943] back
[Rob-in-shower] 2 mins
* Zoid-getting-beer is now known as Zoi-drinking-beer-and-eating-c
[Rob-in-shower] ok
* Zoi-drinking-beer-and-eating-c is now known as Zoid
[Zoid] 4 AOB?
[Rob-in-shower] 12CHiPs (by Wormsville) 7
* Rob-in-shower is now known as RobWorham
[RobWorham] 12CHiPs (by Wormsville) 7
[RobWorham]
[Zoid] We´re at 1484 now. Right?
[Zoid] I have Gandhi trying to barter
[RobWorham]
[fed1943] 1478
[Zoid] Oops
[RobWorham] 1478
[Zoid] just a minute
[Zoid] I still have the end of 1478 in my latest save
[RobWorham] ok guys, i gotta go
[Zoid] ok
[fed1943] bye Rob
[Zoid] bye Rob
[RobWorham] nice chat, glad i made it
[fed1943] yes,very nice
[RobWorham] speak soon
[Zoid] fed, we did the scientist thingie last turn right?
[RobWorham] don't forget.....
[RobWorham] 12CHiPs (by Wormsville) 7
[RobWorham]
[Zoid] take care Rob
[Zoid]
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[fed1943] yes,the 9 scientists in Povo Este
[Zoid] and that was 1478?
[Zoid] ahh, ok
[fed1943] that was no change with the 9 scientists
[Zoid] I was confused
[Zoid] I thought Rob started on the the next CAF
[fed1943] no,he just finished the current
[Zoid] I know...
[Zoid] now
[Zoid]
[Zoid] So, I propose we end it here as Paddy doesn´t seem to be coming
[fed1943] as you want,I agree
[Zoid] cool
[Zoid] 4 End chat
[fed1943] save,without end turn?
[Zoid] yes
[Zoid] do that next time
[fed1943] good
[Zoid] Quite a good chat this time I thought
[Zoid] We made a lot of progress
[fed1943] indeed,quick when no need to delay and (I think)well played
[Zoid] If only all the chats could be like this
[fed1943] yes,commerce is now goodmost forgot to tell you:see the statistcs
[Zoid] anything special in there?
[fed1943] we are first by large (even GNP)
[Zoid] yes
[Zoid] we´re breaking away it seems
[fed1943] and all the chats can be like this one (if we want)
[Zoid] Indeed.
[fed1943] all seems good
[Zoid] Here´s to that *Zoid lifts his beer

[MMC]

I was there... I just wasn't looking at the chat screen

[couerdelion]

The reason why performance with 9 scientists is better than 9 merchants in Povo Este is because PE is a “science city”. The science multiplier is +75% and the gold multiplier is +25% making it much more efficient at generating beakers. Since we still don’t have any “beaker:gold” exchange I’ll explain here. Every unit of gold generated in PE can generate 1.4 beakers = (175%/125%). In a city like Apolyton or Paddyton it is 1:1. Switching 9 scientists to 9 merchants will generate just 33.75 gold for the loss of 47.25 beakers but we can get more gold per beakers using the sliders.

Not sure why you want to put a GM settled in a city with so few buildings. In fact the settling of GM’s around the civ seems to be a bit of a random strategy which has not been publicly discussed.

I thought we were also going for a religion. Have we stopped polling on techs?

And you’re still comparing slider values by looking at the time it takes to complete techs and arguing that more gold

[RobWorham]

Originally posted by couerdelion
......... In fact the settling of GM’s around the civ seems to be a bit of a random strategy which has not been publicly discussed.

I thought we were also going for a religion. Have we stopped polling on techs?

Coeur, if you want something discussed then start a thread mate. I too called for a tech poll, but it fell on deaf ears I think!!!

[Nugog]

Poll!